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Page Twelve of a Dialogue With Jayahn Saward (Jayahn’s Writing © J.D Saward 2000)
RESPONDENT No. 23: I think the lady [No. 20 RICHARD: Perhaps you might be able to demonstrate where ‘the lady from another country said it well’ (the last time someone tried that one on me they were remarkably silent when asked to put their money where their mouth is)? JAYAHN: Are you able to hear that No. 23 is telling you something he thinks. RICHARD: Yes. JAYAHN: He thinks the lady from another country said it well. RICHARD: Aye. JAYAHN: And what do you express interest in? The lady from another country. RICHARD: No ... the facts. JAYAHN: The lady from another country (howsoever anybody might or might not demonstrate her to you) ... RICHARD: If you look even casually you will see that this is not what I asked. JAYAHN: ... [The lady from another country] is a concept right now given that she is not writing to you. RICHARD: I am glad I am not your wife when she goes off to work (or whenever else she moves out of your presence). JAYAHN: And what do you pass over as if irrelevant? RICHARD: Anything non-factual. JAYAHN: A thought communicated via email to you. RICHARD: Okay ... here is a for-example thought for you (communicated via e-mail):
JAYAHN: You miss the actual Richard. RICHARD: Unless I am misunderstanding you, you are telling me that the contents of the thought which is currently surging through your synapses is what is actual ... and not the e-mails under various designated ListBot Message Numbers? Might I suggest you look-up the word ‘solipsism’ in the dictionary?
JAYAHN: I have been inviting the actualism club members to consider the possibility that what they are most intent on doing is making everyone else on the planet wrong. RICHARD: ‘Tis impossible to be ‘making’ everyone else on the planet wrong ... they are
already. Unless, of course, you consider that the global malice JAYAHN: Really I am so thankful they came along. Without them I would be a spiritualist. Or normal. And look at me now. RICHARD: I am ... and I see that you have reduced yourself to being nothing but a ‘viewpoint’ with a meteoric ‘point of view’ (which sometimes changes even in the same e-mail) in your frantic efforts to avoid being categorised and labelled.
JAYAHN: [quote]: ‘Yet all traditional religions, all social and economic ideologies, and all political parties, are alike in one respect. They ignore the biochemical roots of our ill-being. So the noisy trivia of party-politics distract us from what needs to be done [endquote]. The above par applies equally to actualism as any other ism from ayranism thru jesusism and oshoism to zenism? For in essence what is the method of actualism. An enquiry via the actualist mantra. The target is missed. The target is physical, actual, and hittable. RICHARD: I would have said that ignoring ‘the biochemical roots of our ill-being’ applies
to the method of viewpointism
JAYAHN: [quote]: ‘Yet all traditional religions, all social and economic ideologies, and all political parties, are alike in one respect. They ignore the biochemical roots of our ill-being. So the noisy trivia of party-politics distract us from what needs to be done [endquote]. (The above par applies equally to actualism as any other ism from ayranism thru jesusism and oshoism to zenism? For in essence what is the method of actualis. An enquiry via the actualist mantra. The target is missed. The target is physical, actual, and hittable). RICHARD: I would have said that ignoring ‘the biochemical roots of our ill-being’ applies to the method of viewpointism rather than actualism. JAYAHN: LOL. Viewpointism is not a method at all; RICHARD: My mistake ... I should have said that ignoring ‘the biochemical roots of our ill-being’
applies to the way JAYAHN: ... it is one of many possible ways of formulating an understanding and a communication of such an understanding to one’s fellow humans of what it means to be human. RICHARD: I am having some difficulty in equating what you say here to the way of viewpointism as expressly detailed by yourself to me (along with a lengthy dissertation on where, when, how and why I was amiss) in December last. Viz.:
JAYAHN: We can throw it out the window – or not. RICHARD: I do not need to ‘throw it out the window’ ... I never took it in. JAYAHN: Makes no difference to the actual. RICHARD: That is because it does not exist in this actual world. JAYAHN: And what is actual? ... blood, bones; and biochemical interactions. As well as rocks and gas and trees of course. RICHARD: Yes ... and a perfection of such purity as is inconceivable, unimaginable and unbelievable. JAYAHN: By the way. What is a ‘self’? I mean is a ‘self’ actual or metaphysical? According to you. Are you free of a metaphysical phenomenon or an actuality? Or to put it more like I imagine you would formulate it: was the parasitical ‘I’ that is not now or ever again in ‘you’, but still is in every other person on the planet, metaphysical or actual? RICHARD: You would be better off asking them and not me as there is/are no ‘self’ or ‘selves’ here in this actual world (I only ever get to meet flesh and blood bodies) and it is they who tell me they have/are a ‘self’ ... I have been here all this while, as this flesh and blood body, just simply having a ball. Incidentally, I certainly noticed that you adroitly by-passed the obvious ... did you?
RICHARD: In 1980, ‘I’, the persona that was, saw that this universe is so enormous in its scope, so grand in its arrangement, so exquisite in its structure, that it is sheer vanity and utter insolence to presume that ‘my’ petty meanings had any significance whatsoever. They were consigned to the dust-bin of history. JAYAHN: You are a copycat Richard. I told that all the meaning I was conveying with my ‘viewpoint’ could be tossed out the window. RICHARD: Let me see if I comprehend correctly what you are saying: you are proposing that ‘I’, the persona that was, time-travelled from the year 1980 to the year 2001 and saw that you wrote ‘we can throw it out the window – or not’ and then time-travelled back to 1980 and copy-catted you by consigning ‘his’ petty meanings to the dust-bin of history? JAYAHN: And now you tell that all the meaning you have been conveying could be – and in fact were – thrown in the trash. RICHARD: No ... that is what you make of it. JAYAHN: So actualism is in the rubbish-bin. RICHARD: No ... the petty meanings of the persona that was were consigned to the dust-bin of history. JAYAHN: Lovely. Let us begin. RICHARD: Perhaps you could begin by reading with both eyes open?
JAYAHN: Richard. What is life? RICHARD: Life is the event which occurs between birth and death.
JAYAHN: Richard. What is life? RICHARD: Life is the event which occurs between birth and death. JAYAHN: What is the actuality of the event which occurs between birth and death that we refer to as life? RICHARD: The pristine perfection which is experienced temporarily in a pure consciousness experience (PCE) or as an on-going experiencing, night and day, in an actual freedom from the human condition.
JAYAHN: Richard. What is life? RICHARD: Life is the event which occurs between birth and death. JAYAHN: What is the actuality of the event which occurs between birth and death that we refer to as life? RICHARD: The pristine perfection which is experienced temporarily in a pure consciousness experience (PCE) or as an on-going experiencing, night and day, in an actual freedom from the human condition. JAYAHN: Are you saying any more or less than – life is ‘pristine perfection’? RICHARD: When one is living life in a pure consciousness experience (PCE), or living life in an actual freedom from the human condition, life is indeed ‘pristine perfection’.
JAYAHN: Richard. What is life? RICHARD: Life is the event which occurs between birth and death. JAYAHN: What is the actuality of the event which occurs between birth and death that we refer to as life? RICHARD: The pristine perfection which is experienced temporarily in a pure consciousness experience (PCE) or as an on-going experiencing, night and day, in an actual freedom from the human condition. JAYAHN: Are you saying any more or less than – life is ‘pristine perfection’? RICHARD: When one is living life in a pure consciousness experience (PCE), or living life in an actual freedom from the human condition, life is indeed ‘pristine perfection’. JAYAHN: Richard, are you suggesting that life is composed of ‘pristine perfection’; or alternatively are you suggesting that life has an attribute (perhaps amongst many), ‘pristine perfection’ ... or are you suggesting other? In other words is the term pristine perfection, as offered by you, the recipe for life, or is it a description of life ... or are you suggesting other? In this enquiry I am seeking to reach a better understanding of what life IS, as against what life is like, or what life is experienced as. The question once again: WHAT is life. RICHARD: Not ‘an attribute’, no (nor a ‘recipe’ or ‘description’). Perhaps an analogy may help: typically an object (any object) has native properties; intrinsic qualities are sourced in (not attributed to) these indigenous properties; inherent values are derived from (not ascribed to) these congenital qualities. Life is not divorced from the universe – the very flesh and blood body is the same-same stuff as the universe is – and it is the universe which is the actuality of life you are looking for in this enquiry. Thus the pristine perfection arises from/as the consummate purity welling endlessly from/as the infinitude this infinite and eternal and perpetual universe is. And where one is actually free from the human condition one is the universe experiencing itself as a sentient creature being apperceptively aware. As such the universe is stunningly conscious of its own infinitude. One walks in wide-eyed wonder through this veritable paradise simply marvelling in immediacy.
RETURN TO A REQUEST FROM JAYAHN SAWARD RETURN TO RICHARD’S CORRESPONDENCE INDEX The Third Alternative (Peace On Earth In This Life Time As This Flesh And Blood Body) Here is an actual freedom from the Human Condition, surpassing Spiritual Enlightenment and any other Altered State Of Consciousness, and challenging all philosophy, psychiatry, metaphysics (including quantum physics with its mystic cosmogony), anthropology, sociology ... and any religion along with its paranormal theology. Discarding all of the beliefs that have held humankind in thralldom for aeons, the way has now been discovered that cuts through the ‘Tried and True’ and enables anyone to be, for the first time, a fully free and autonomous individual living in utter peace and tranquillity, beholden to no-one.
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