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Richard’s Selected Correspondence On Mr. Ilan Shalif
RESPONDENT: Richard, as you have used LeDoux, perhaps this [General Sensate Focusing Technique] can be of service. (snip link). RICHARD: First of all, the only use I have ever made of Mr. Joseph LeDoux is his laboratory evidence that a sensate signal goes first to the affective circuitry (albeit a split-second first) and then to the cognitive circuitry ... for example [snip examples].:
And, furthermore, his laboratory work played no part whatsoever in becoming actually free from the human condition:
As for the link you provided to Mr. Ilan Shalif’s web site ... if you could provide an example of how his ‘General Sensate Focusing Technique’ has been, or is being, ‘of service’ to you in regards to the actualism method there will then be something of substance to discuss. You may find the following exchange to be of interest:
Not all that surprisingly there was no further response. RESPONDENT: Ok. RICHARD: This is the ‘only use’ being referred to (in the first example provided of what I have written on other occasions on this topic):
In other words, I have never, ever, personally ‘used LeDoux’ ... as made crystal clear with this sentence:
RESPONDENT: Clear. RICHARD: Although you may say it is ‘clear’ – and earlier ‘ok’ – your elaboration on just what it is that is clear (further below) shows that it is far from being that ... which is why I repeated myself, plus added an illustrated explanation, the second time around. * RICHARD: Thus all that is left of your (further above) sentence is this:
And just whom might it be ‘of service’ to? None other than this person (from further below):
As Mr. Joseph LeDoux’s laboratory evidence is qualitatively different to Mr. Ilan Shalif’s psychological management technique here is my question: why would his, or any, psychological management technique be of use/be of service to a person setting foot on the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition? Vis.:
RESPONDENT: It ain’t AF, but he does a precise job instructing how to focus on sensations and feelings. It would be up to any individual to discover if that could be of any use to them. It is of no use to you, clear enough. RICHARD: As nothing is of use to me personally – including the actualism method – then obviously I am not making myself clear: Mr. Ilan Shalif’s psychological management technique, which is qualitatively different to Mr. Joseph LeDoux’s laboratory evidence, is of no use whatsoever to a person setting foot upon the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition ... whereas Mr. Joseph LeDoux’s laboratory evidence can be of use inasmuch such a person need not take my word for it that the feelings arise before thought in the reactionary process (albeit a split-second first). If this is now clear – that you unwarrantedly linked the two persons, thus falsely ascribing an associative value to the second person, in your intro to the link you provided – then we can look at your (revised) reason as to why you are promoting/endorsing Mr. Ilan Shalif’s psychological management technique on a mailing list set-up to discuss peace-on-earth, in this lifetime, as this flesh and blood body ... to wit: that he (purportedly) does a precise job instructing how to focus on sensations and feelings and that it would be up to any individual (presumably a beginning actualist) to discover if that could be of any use to them (presumably in conjunction with the actualism method). Okay? * RICHARD: In short (more on this below): actualism is not a management technique, a coping mechanism, or any other kind of psychological system. RESPONDENT: I know. RICHARD: Then why would you promote/endorse such a system on a mailing list set-up to discuss peace-on-earth, in this lifetime, as this flesh and blood body? * RICHARD: As for the link you provided to Mr. Ilan Shalif’s web site ... if you could provide an example of how his ‘General Sensate Focusing Technique’ has been, or is being, ‘of service’ to you in regards to the actualism method there will then be something of substance to discuss. RESPONDENT: 1) The GSFT was a pointer that peace could be found out side of spirituality – thus a precursor to be being open to AF. RICHARD: I copy-pasted the word <peace> into a search engine and sent it through Mr. Ilan Shalif’s entire web site ... only to have it return nil hits. Howsoever the word ‘serenity’ features several times ... for instance:
The ‘Fear-Serenity continuum’ referred to there is otherwise known as Mr. Charles Darwin’s second principle in his theory of emotion. Vis.:
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Thus if ‘serenity’ is indeed the ‘peace’ you are referring to then it is to be found somewhere towards one pole of the ‘fear-serenity continuum’ in what Mr. Ilan Shalif classifies as ‘the Basic [bipolar] Emotion of ‘fear’’ ... which means that, for there to be serenity in his management plan, the instinctual passion of fear must persist. RESPONDENT: Is the bipolar theory incorrect in your experience? RICHARD: It is your ‘the GSFT was a pointer that peace could be found out side of spirituality’ theory which is incorrect. RESPONDENT: So his research is flawed then? RICHARD: It is your research which is flawed ... I invite you to copy-paste the word <peace> into a search engine and send it through his entire web site and thus see for yourself. * RESPONDENT: 2) I have broke some habits with it: a) obsessive TV watching. b) smoking. c) overeating. c) and others of a more personal nature. RICHARD: As most things humans do are habitual then for no other reason than because you say ‘obsessive’ in regards television viewing, and as ‘overeating’ is another way of saying ‘excessive’, I will presume you are referring to habits which fall into the obsessive-compulsive-excessive category – else it makes no sense to single out a few amongst the many for attention – such as obsessive and/or compulsive and/or excessive hand-washing, for an obvious instance, or obsessive and/or compulsive and/or excessive sex, for another (there are a multitude of such usual, regular, routine, consistent, normal, customary, ordinary, everyday activities which can become a concern for such obsessive-compulsive-excessive reasons). RESPONDENT: Excessive is better, yes. RICHARD: Okay ... then as most things humans do are habitual for no other reason than because you say ‘obsessive’ in regards television viewing, and as you say ‘excessive’ is better than saying ‘overeating’, I will presume you are referring to habits which fall into the obsessive-compulsive-excessive category – else it makes no sense to single out a few amongst the many for attention – such as obsessive and/or compulsive and/or excessive hand-washing, for an obvious instance, or obsessive and/or compulsive and/or excessive sex, for another (there are a multitude of such usual, regular, routine, consistent, normal, customary, ordinary, everyday activities which can become a concern for such obsessive-compulsive-excessive reasons). * RICHARD: As Mr. Ilan Shalif makes no secret of the fact that his technique is designed to dispense with having to have recourse to counsellors, therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, and any other professionals of that ilk, it is not all that surprising you have had success in those areas. RESPONDENT: Sure – there is something to it – and its free. RICHARD: If I may point out? There is probably ‘something to’ all of the 101 psychological management techniques available these days to the lay public ... quite possibly any one of them could have enabled you to have had success in those obsessive-compulsive-excessive areas. * RICHARD: Vis.:
RESPONDENT: Why not solve one’s own problems? RICHARD: If one can solve one’s own obsessive-compulsive-excessive problems without having to have recourse to counsellors, therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, and any other professionals of that ilk, then why not indeed. * RESPONDENT: 3) I have improved my emotional climate: a) I have reduced the intensity and frequency of ‘being angry’. b) I have reduced the intensity and frequency of anxiety. RICHARD: There are, of course, 101 psychological management techniques available these days to the lay public ... RESPONDENT: Indeed. RICHARD: So as to pre-empt the necessity of wading through each and every one of them, in order to demonstrate why they are of no use/no service whatsoever to a person setting foot on the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition, perhaps you might resist the temptation to post links to them the next time around? Whilst I appreciate that, as you work in the mental health field, it is understandable you would have an interest in that area, it does remain a fact that, as psychology/psychiatry has not brought, is not bringing, and will not bring, peace-on-earth, nothing that a psychological/psychiatric approach has to offer has, is, or will, be of use/be of service to a person setting foot on the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition. * RICHARD: ... [There are, of course, 101 psychological management techniques available these days to the lay public] and, as you have made it known previously you work in the mental health field, it is understandable that you would have an interest in that area ... RESPONDENT: It is a privilege to work in a field that interests oneself. RICHARD: Be that as it may ... as psychology/psychiatry has not brought, is not bringing, and will not bring, peace-on-earth, then nothing that a psychological/psychiatric approach has to offer has, is, or will, be of use/be of service to a person setting foot on the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition. * RICHARD: ... [There are, of course, 101 psychological management techniques available these days to the lay public] and, as you have made it known previously you work in the mental health field, it is understandable that you would have an interest in that area ... RESPONDENT: It is a privilege to work in a field that interests oneself. RICHARD: Be that as it may ... as psychology/psychiatry has not brought, is not bringing, and will not bring, peace-on-earth, then nothing that a psychological/psychiatric approach has to offer has, is, or will, be of use/be of service to a person setting foot on the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition. * RICHARD: ... [There are, of course, 101 psychological management techniques available these days to the lay public and, as you have made it known previously you work in the mental health field, it is understandable that you would have an interest in that area] ... howsoever, as psychology/psychiatry has not brought, is not bringing, and will not bring, peace-on-earth, nothing that a psychological/psychiatric approach has to offer has, is, or will, be of use/be of service to a person setting foot on the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition. RESPONDENT: I have not ever found anything even promising a freedom from the human condition ... RICHARD: And, just to drive the point home, neither have you found a pointer that peace could be found outside of spirituality in Mr. Ilan Shalif’s General Sensate Focusing Technique’ either ... unless, of course, his ‘serenity’ (which is to be found somewhere towards one pole of the ‘fear-serenity continuum’ in what he classifies as ‘the Basic [bipolar] Emotion of ‘fear’’) is indeed the peace you are referring to. In which case, as that means for there to be serenity in his management plan the instinctual passion of fear must persist, you are promoting/endorsing a peace which is not really worth the bandwidth it uses to spread itself in public. RESPONDENT: [I have not ever found anything even promising a freedom from the human condition] – AF is unique. RICHARD: Whereas psychological management techniques, available these days to the lay public, are a dime a dozen. RESPONDENT: Though, I would think that over the next 100 years, actualists will continue to find ways to make the method more efficient. RICHARD: As you have yet to find a way that does make the actualism method more efficient I do look askance at your usage of the word ‘continue’. RESPONDENT: Who knows were insight might come? RICHARD: One thing is for sure ... it will not be coming from Mr. Ilan Shalif’s web site. * RESPONDENT: All w/o god, spirituality, meditation, therapy, money, ideology, ‘positive’ thinking. 10 months of off and on again use. I do wish I would have done it intensively before AF, so I could have a better contrast. I thought the scientific study of the emotions with a corresponding non-spiritual method might be of interest to you. RICHARD: I came across Mr. Ilan Shalif’s web site about two-three years ago ... psychological/ psychiatric management techniques/ coping mechanisms hold no interest to me. RESPONDENT: Ok. RICHARD: As it is oh-so-easy to just tap out those two little letters would it be too much to ask for a brief exegesis of why psychological/ psychiatric management techniques/ coping mechanisms hold no interest to me? That way I will know whether you understand just what it is you are saying ‘ok’ to. * RICHARD: Moreover, on his other web site, where he promotes and promulgates [quote] ‘anarchism and other communist libertarian’ [endquote] societies, he has the following quotes and comments:
The carte blanche nature of that last quote – ‘by any means necessary’ – leaves me totally uninterested in anything at all he has to say. RESPONDENT: So an error in one subject (anarchism) invalidates his research on the emotions and his GST tech? RICHARD: Hmm ... I write [quote] ‘the carte blanche nature of that last quote – ‘by any means necessary’ – leaves me totally uninterested in anything at all he has to say’ [endquote] yet you ask me whether an error in one subject (anarchism) invalidates Mr. Ilan Shalif’s research on the emotions and his ‘General Sensate Focusing Technique’. I will pass without further comment as all of this is becoming way too laboured. * RESPONDENT: Perhaps his detailed instruction of how to sensately focus could be of use for a beginning actualist. RICHARD: Given that Mr. Ilan Shalif’s management plan depends upon the instinctual passions remaining firmly in situ forever in just what way could his detailed instruction on how to ‘sensately focus’ be of use for a beginning actualist? RESPONDENT: I’m not suggesting an actualist practice the GSFT. RICHARD: I never said you did ... I clearly asked in just what way could his detailed instruction on [quote] ‘how to ‘sensately focus’’ [endquote] be of use for a beginning actualist. RESPONDENT: I thought his description of how to focus could help an actualist in feeling their feelings .. RICHARD: Aye ... and that description – ‘*how* to [sensately] focus’ – is the crux of the very question I asked. RESPONDENT: ... [I thought his description of how to focus could help an actualist in feeling their feelings] – i.e. it might be instructive in how the process of attention works. RICHARD: If you could answer the question as asked it would be most appreciated ... I will re-phrase it so as to be in accord with your re-phrasing (plus emphasise the critical words so as to provide focus):
* RESPONDENT: Of course GSFT is not AF. RICHARD: Of course not ... and, as the elimination of fear (for just one instance) would mean, for a General Sensate Focusing Technique practitioner, the ending of their serenity, it never will be. Just as no other psychological/psychiatric management technique ever will either. RESPONDENT: Until psychological/psychiatric management techniques start sensible talk about self-immolating, AF will have no cousins, let alone sisters, brothers or parents. RICHARD: Which, of course, includes the ‘General Sensate Focusing [Management] Technique’ and, speaking personally, I will not be holding my breath whilst waiting for them to start as job security, if nothing else, will hinder such ‘sensible talk’ as you refer to. And here is a clue as to why: it will not only mean the ending of psychological/ psychiatric management techniques/coping mechanisms but the end of psychology/psychiatry per se. What do you reckon the first five letters in both those words refers to?
RETURN TO RICHARD’S SELECTED CORRESPONDENCE INDEX The Third Alternative (Peace On Earth In This Life Time As This Flesh And Blood Body) Here is an actual freedom from the Human Condition, surpassing Spiritual Enlightenment and any other Altered State Of Consciousness, and challenging all philosophy, psychiatry, metaphysics (including quantum physics with its mystic cosmogony), anthropology, sociology ... and any religion along with its paranormal theology. Discarding all of the beliefs that have held humankind in thralldom for aeons, the way has now been discovered that cuts through the ‘Tried and True’ and enables anyone to be, for the first time, a fully free and autonomous individual living in utter peace and tranquillity, beholden to no-one.
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