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Vineeto’s Correspondence with Sonya on Discuss Actualism Forum SONYA: Didn’t realise how long it has been since I last wrote on here. Lately, I’ve been kinda stuck I guess. These are the things I’ve been really struggling with:
Both of these things means that I am a person that struggles to do things on my own. I never really think that I can do anything on my own. I usually rely on someone else encouraging me or holding my hand through it. For example, I’ve always wanted to start going to heels dance classes. But I couldn’t go on my own, I had to go with a friend. Or learning how to drive a manual car, I needed encouragement from Kuba. I struggle with the initial leap into doing something ‘scary’. It’s funny cause once I’m actually doing ‘it’, it’s never as scary. Now I go to classes on my own (even new ones, I also made new friends!) and I passed my driving test the first time as well as driving to London on my own multiple times. I know logically I have the capacity to do things, I guess I just always seem to want to make sure it’s ‘safe’ to do so first. So, regarding putting in the work in being happy and harmless. I’m really struggling lately to
take it a step further. So here is my little tiny step I’m doing on my own so I can go further into this adventure
into living what I really want deep down. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Welcome back to the forum. If your self-respect allows, I would like to make one or two comments on what you wrote. I appears you are making good progress regarding your problem No. 2 and meet your fear of failing head-on – and you are succeeding. It’s really the only way to deal with such fear – look at it without blinking, so to speak, and you notice that its intensity will diminish right away, and then you can proceed to do what you want to do. No. 1 is more complex. First of all, you will perhaps be relieved to learn that every single feeling being deep down feels that there is something wrong with ‘being’ here, with being ‘me’. The reason is that ‘I’ as a feeling being am an impostor, a fraud, an alien entity, having taken charge over your flesh-and-blood body. This feeling of something being wrong with ‘you’ will not disappear except in a PCE or when actually free. What you can do is to diminish the strength and influence of ‘me’ in your daily life by enjoying and appreciating being here and thus reduce the identity-enhancing ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings and increase the identity-diminishing happy and harmless feelings. I don’t know how much you read of Richard’s writing, or how much you are interested to read – I can post some quotes here and you let me know if that is explanatory and beneficial for you.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, Thanks for the reply. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, You are very welcome. * VINEETO: First of all, you will perhaps be relieved to learn that every single feeling being deep down feels that there is something wrong with ‘being’ here, with being ‘me’. SONYA: This is what Kuba said to me yesterday so it is relieving that someone else has also found that to be the case. I see that just knowing this doesn’t change anything for me but living my daily like enjoying and appreciating being here is the way forward. VINEETO: Yes, this is definitely a good route to choose. The way this works is to comprehend that this moment is the only moment you can actually experience being alive – what happened yesterday or an hour ago is a memory, and what will happen tomorrow or an hour from now is based on planning and/or conjecture or both. Therefore, if you are not happy now you are wasting the only moment you can actually experience – the perfect incentive to change that. You can read Richard’s article on This Moment of Being Alive * VINEETO: I don’t know how much you read of Richard’s writing, or how much you are interested to read – I can post some quotes here and you let me know if that is explanatory and beneficial for you. SONYA: I have read some parts of Richard’s journal a while ago and I did give up on it since I struggled to get a grasp on what he was saying and I also ended up falling asleep trying to comprehend the writings . I think I was content with where I was before so I didn’t have much motivation to read more of Richard’s writings. However, I find myself wanting to do better and be better now so I am definitely interested in reading. VINEETO: I can understand that. Feeling being ‘Vineeto’ had to read Richard’s writing slowly and several times the same topic before she could grasp something of what was conveyed. When ‘she’ had a PCE the meaning of his writing became much clearer because she could comprehend a lot more experientially.
SONYA: This confuses me. Is this saying that the instinctual passions such as the fear, aggression, nurture is what ‘I’ am as identity? Like the building blocks that creates what I am? Is that why I feel like there is something ‘wrong’ with me? Because I am always acting via the instinctual passions? VINEETO: Essentially yes. The identity, ‘you’, is comprised of several components – at the core are the instinctual survival passions which humans have in common with animals.
VINEETO: Then there is a second layer of the social identity, which encompasses all the ethics (right and wrong) and morals (good and bad), which humans have established and passed on in order to keep the wily instinctual passions in check to a certain degree. So you are being both the instinctual passions (emotions) and the societal feelings (the ethical and moral beliefs, principles, etc) … and are acting accordingly.
VINEETO: As such, ‘you’, the identity, are those instinctual passions – in other words, you don’t have those passions but they are the very substance ‘you’ are made of (except when you have a PCE where this very identity goes temporarily in abeyance including the instinctual passions and feelings). Those survival passions are like a whirlpool and the very movement of those feelings and passions is what keeps the identity in existence. When you comprehend this deeply, you can choose to either be anger and sadness or be the happy and harmless feelings, the moment you notice any diminishment in feeling good.
SONYA: Unfortunately I cannot remember a PCE. VINEETO: In a quiet moment you can search in your memory, not the emotional or intellectual memory but either an intuitive or sensory memory, and see if you find an outstanding experience, where everything was all right, was just as it should be and was so magnificent and extraordinary, as if not from this world, so peaceful and gay, that you experienced it as always wanting to live this way. Most likely they happened in childhood – perhaps you can unearth a memory. They are not stored in the normal emotional memory hence a bit difficult to rediscover. I do suspect you have a very vague memory of one or more PCEs because you said that you “feel there is something fundamentally wrong with me”, and in the next paragraph below you say that “I like the use of the word ‘persona’. This is exactly how I feel. Like I am keeping up a persona.” To feel there is something “wrong with me” there must be a benchmark to what would be right with you in comparison, something actual.
SONYA: So from the quotes you provided of Richard’s writings I
understand it is the reason why I feel there is something fundamentally wrong with me is because who ‘I’ am as an
identity isn’t actual, I exist as a mix of instinctual passions, roles, rank, etc. I like the use of the word ‘persona’.
This is exactly how I feel. Like I am keeping up a persona. VINEETO: This is an excellent observation, and whatever you are trying to do to make it ‘right’ on the emotional level or even the intellectual level will have no lasting effect. As I said yesterday, what you can do with the help of the actualism method is to diminish the strength and influence of ‘me’, the persona, in your daily life by enjoying and appreciating being here and thus reduce the identity-enhancing ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings and increase the identity-diminishing felicitous feelings, i.e. enjoyment and appreciation. By being honest with yourself and sincere in your endeavour you can re-awaken your dormant naiveté (being like a child but with adult sensibilities) and keep ‘thinning’ your identity to the point that it becomes more and more insubstantial. SONYA: Hi Vineeto, Your explanation of the different layers of the identity is really helpful for me to understand. I’m quite a visual learner so the description of the different layers of instinctual passions and social identity made me immediately think of an ‘identity onion’ made of those different layers. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, This is a good equivalent. I have other actualists seen describe their process as peeling the onion to get to the core. It’s all about becoming aware, each moment again, how you experience being alive. When there is a dip in feeling good, you can look at what caused it (the top layer of the onion) and then consciously recognize that’s it’s silly to let such an event interfere with feeling good. Sometimes a ‘problem’ can be a sticky, so to speak, and that is generally because of a certain belief or principle or attitude you have adopted as ‘right’ or ‘just’ or ‘true’ – you can then discuss this with yourself, or with another actualist, if it really makes sense to keep this belief/ attitude/ principle and thus allow it to interfere with your intent of enjoying being here. However, before you start ‘peeling’ away the societal/ cultural conditioning it is
imperative that at minimum a sincere intent to be happy and harmless be dedicatorily in place because this social
conditioning is otherwise essential to keep the instinctual passions in check
* VINEETO: I do suspect you have a very vague memory of one or more PCEs … SONYA: That would be cool to remember! I think for now what I’ve been grasping to is small glimmers of peaceful/ content moments I find myself experiencing that tend to make me pause for a moment to take it in. Usually when I’m eating something nice or cuddling with Kuba. Those are great for now. VINEETO: This link may be helpful * VINEETO: You can read Richard’s article on This Moment of Being Alive
SONYA: I’m going to give it a go. Thanks for offering to
clarify! VINEETO: Here is an interesting correspondence you may relate to –
KUBA: It seems to me that you are right at that point where –
“one can stay quiescent no longer”. You just need to locate what it is exactly that you are aiming for
(where you have been proceeding anyways).
SONYA to Kuba: I had to google what quiescent meant but yes, that’s
exactly how I feel. It just really hit me when doing our wedding stuff yesterday that what I want most in this world
is to be happy and harmless with you 24 hours a day 7 days a week. That’s a really really big motivator for me. We
are legally making a commitment to ‘join’ our lives together so why am I not making the commitment to live life
with you in the most fun, exciting, wholesome, fulfilling way? I can really see now that that is what I want, more
than anything. For now, without the memory of a PCE that desire is what I’m holding on to. VINEETO: Ah, Sonya, this is wonderful to read. It so reminds me how, when feeling being
‘Vineeto’ met ‘Peter’ the first time, ‘he’ proposed to want to live together in peace and harmony and with
honesty look at everything which got in the way of this aim. ‘Vineeto’ thought ‘she’ never heard a more
attractive proposal and agreed. ‘We’ had great fun together, to put it mildly. Peter described it in his journal
Besides, with a commitment to be “happy and harmless with you [Kuba] 24 hours a day 7 days a week” you cannot fail having a PCE sooner or later. SONYA: Hi Vineeto, Thank you for your time in helping me. I’m currently reading the links you’ve provided. I’m struggling to get a grasp on the meaning of ‘affective awareness’ – Is it essentially awareness of your feelings? Could you clarify for me please? Google doesn’t seem to be helping either. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, you are welcome and it is a pleasure to do so. The reason I emphasized “affective” awareness is because several people misunderstood the actualism method and only paid attention to their thoughts instead of including their feelings which lay behind their troublesome thoughts. The other reason is that, with the large prevalence of Buddhistic practices, dissociation from one’s feelings is very common and then those suppressed feelings make themselves felt somatically, i.e. in bodily discomfort, physical tensions and pain and they never discover the cause of their discomfort by missing out on affective awareness. Kuba explained it very well in his most recent message to you * VINEETO: Perhaps it’s a good idea (…) to look for a resistance or hesitation regarding a PCE because the implications can seem too much. SONYA: Logically, I can’t pinpoint any resistance or hesitation regarding remember a PCE. Of course there is a possibility there is something I am doing sub-consciously. When I think about why I may not want to remember a PCE nothing really comes up. Why would I not want to remember perfection? More digging may be required here. VINEETO: Ah well, perhaps there is no resistance, it was just a guess. However, I noticed you said “logically”, so there is the possibility of looking emotionally? Besides, the more you enjoy and appreciate being here, the more you are in the perfect position to allow a PCE to happen by naïvely “going boldly where angels fear to tread”, as the saying goes – with adult sensibility of course. Incidentally, sexual intimacy coupled with naiveté is an ideal opportunity as well to allow a
PCE to happen. Richard talks about this in detail here. * VINEETO: Ah, Sonya, this is wonderful to read. It so reminds me how, when feeling being ‘Vineeto’ met ‘Peter’ the first time, ‘he’ proposed to want to live together in peace and harmony and with honesty look at everything which got in the way of this aim. ‘Vineeto’ thought ‘she’ never heard a more attractive proposal and agreed. ‘We’ had great fun together, to put it mildly. SONYA: This is very similar to Kuba and I . I remember him telling me about you
and Peter. How both of you managed to tackle the challenge of living together in peace and harmony. I thought it just
made sense! Why can’t we do that? Let’s do it! Remembering this again has brought to a smile to my face. It’s
something I need to keep at the forefront my mind. VINEETO: I am pleased to read that someone was inspired by ‘Peter’s’ and ‘Vineeto’s’ reports and accepted Richard’s challenge to all when he said “I have always wondered whether it is possible for man and woman to live together intimately; in perfect peace and harmony.” (Richard’s Journal, Article One). It is indeed a good thing “to keep at the forefront my mind” because this “thing” can give you the perfect confirmation that everything is going swimmingly, and a timely warning when it’s not operating, that you have wandered off the ‘wide and wondrous’ path to being happy and harmless. Then you stop in your tracks, get back to feeling good (first thing before you start finding blame or reason), and then have a good look what is going on. Just remember that blaming either yourself or the other only serves to strengthen the ‘persona’, whereas sincere inquiry can not only be successful to dissolve the obstacle but turn out to be fun in the puzzle-solving process itself. Here is how Peter described it –
Be a friend to yourself and appreciate your successes, no matter how small they may appear to you at first glance. SONYA: Hi Vineeto, I just wanted to say this is all really fun and I can’t believe it’s taken me this long to get involved! VINEETO: Hi Sonya, It’s a pleasure to hear, I wish you lots of fun on the way to even more enjoyment and appreciation. * VINEETO: … dissociation from one’s feelings is very common and then those suppressed feelings make themselves felt somatically, i.e. in bodily discomfort, physical tensions and pain. SONYA: This is something I’ve noticed myself doing in the past alot. I think alot of it has diminished now. However, now when an emotion bubbles up it gets overwhelming and I find it hard to just sit and not express it. Especially a couple days before my period when the bar for my emotional tolerance is very low. It seems to be a common time I find a way to start an argument. Last time it was about who was cooking the minced meat . Oh dear, and it is such fun to cook together! When an emotion bubbles up, the first thing is that you get back to feeling good, without expressing or suppressing the feeling, both action would give it more energy. What most helps to get back to feeling good is the realization that you are wasting this precious moment by being emotional when you could be feeling good instead. Only when you feel good again, then you sort out and look into what has just been happening. It may look a bit difficult at the start but most the time it’s a (silly) habitual reaction like blaming yourself of the other, trying to push the feeling away or wanting to act it out. All these increase the energy of the feeling itself. If you can stop yourself acting habitually just for a short moment, the feeling will decrease (because you are not feeding it). SONYA: In the past I never quite understood what Kuba was talking about since I only felt feelings physically (heart racing, lump in my throat). However, reading Kuba’s explanation to me just now it clicked for me and I was able to pinpoint when I’ve had an affective awareness of the feelings. That’s pretty cool to notice. VINEETO: That is cool, and you patted yourself on the back right away too – appreciation is a multiplier for enjoyment. * VINEETO: Just remember that blaming either yourself or the other only serves to strengthen the ‘persona’, whereas sincere inquiry can not only be successful to dissolve the obstacle but turn out to be fun in the puzzle-solving process itself. SONYA: This really hit home hahah. I have a tendency to do this and it never ever gets anywhere. It makes so much sense and yet my default is blame. VINEETO: Yes I know, most people do it automatically. But because it is only a habit and not a deeply ingrained one, it’s easy to discard this behaviour the moment you notice it (like wiggling your toes). * VINEETO: Be a friend to yourself and appreciate your successes, no matter how small they may appear to you at first glance. SONYA: I remember speaking to my friend about actualism and
being happy and harmless. She said to me ‘remember to be happy and harmless to yourself too!’ I felt so silly, the
thought never even crossed my mind. VINEETO: Ha, that’s what well-meaning friends are for. Most children are dutifully trained to be hard on themselves (unless they are spoilt) and become useful members for society, and this inculcated training takes on a life of its own. Devika, Peter and myself had a conversation with Richard in 1997 on this topic which Richard recorded and transcribed (Audiotaped Dialogues, Silly or Sensible). It contains some other useful tips as well. Enjoy.
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