Actual Freedom – Mailing List ‘D’ Correspondence

May 17 2013

Re: Recognising other actually free people

RESPONDENT: Hello Richard, I’ve read the following exchange and found it very interesting:

• [Respondent]: How can we see that it [identity] has gone away in a flesh and blood body other than our own?
• [Richard]: In the same way you can see it has not gone away in a flesh and blood body other than your own ... feeling for it affectively/ psychically (intuitively).
• [Respondent]: It appears, then, that some people on this mailing list do not use their affective/ psychical faculties sufficiently or correctly, for they presume that there is still an ego present in you, in other words, that you are deceiving yourself.
• [Richard]: Someone – anyone – who presumes there is still [quote] ‘an ego’ [endquote] present in the flesh and blood body writing these words is simply displaying their ignorance in public as there is more to identity than just the ego-self ... much, much more.
I am, of course, referring to ‘me’ at the core of ‘my’ being – which is ‘being’ itself – or the rudimentary animal ‘self’ (an inchoate affective presence, an embryonic feeler, an incipient intuiter) which all sentient beings, in general, are per favour blind nature’s rough and ready survival software hereditarily endowed at conception. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 103b, 24 October 2005a).

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• [Richard]: My previous companion, for instance, would oft-times say ‘there is no-one in there’ or ‘there is no-one home’ when feeling me out whilst looking at me quizzically ... she also would explain to others that, contrary to expectation, it was sometimes difficult to live with Richard (it could be said that living with some body that is not self-centred would always be easy) as it was impossible for her to have a relationship because there was no-one to make a connection with, or form a bond with/ be tied to, or unite with/ be in union with, or in any other way be at one with (oneness).
• [Respondent]: Let’s assume that by correct use of my intuition and in the right circumstances, as your current companion has the occasion to experience, for example, that one can feel the absence of a self in an actually free person.
• [Richard]: I see that it would be handy to add a proviso to the above because (and for whatever it is worth) there has never been an instance yet, in the last thirteen years, of a person who is not already cognisant of my condition (through either the verbal or written word) accosting me either in public or in private so as to inform me that they intuitively/ psychically know I am bereft of the entire affective faculty/ identity in toto. For instance:

• [Co-Respondent]: ‘As for ‘ASC-PCE?’, the state I’ve experienced back then [an ASC] had had in my view the same properties as the PCE, the same fairytale magic, things being covered with sparkling silver, continuously living in the split-of-a-second, etc. But I guess you’re more entitled to speak about it as 3 hours can hardly be compared with 11 years’.
• [Richard]: ‘(...) Also, [as well as no Love Agapé] there is no Divine Compassion in a PCE either (hence no magnetic properties to draw people to one) thus *one can pass unnoticed in the world – a definite plus if there ever was* – and judgement operates very well indeed as whatever qualities are apparent are easily recognised for what they are (arising out of properties) so that actual values easily ensue’. [emphasis added]. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 25a, 15 June 2003).

• [Respondent]: So one needs to have a psyche to do that. Ok.
• [Richard]: Or, rather, one needs to *be* a psyche (in order to intuitively/ psychically feel the presence, or the lack thereof, of another psyche).
• [Respondent]: Now, how would an actually free person do that, given absence of the affective/ intuitive capacity?
• [Richard]: A person actually free from the human condition does not/ can not detect something which has no existence in actuality. Viz.:

• [Co-Respondent]: ‘Richard ... the problem is not the ‘self’ (in regard to war, rape, murder, heartache, sorrow, malice, tooth decay, etc., etc.), the problem is always ‘the other’. And we cannot ‘get rid of’ the other’.
• [Richard]: ‘Au contraire ... when ‘the ‘self’’ in its entirety (both ‘I’ as ego and ‘me’ as soul), who was parasitically inhabiting this flesh and blood body, psychologically and psychically (ontologically and autologically) self-immolated ... ‘the other’ (all six billion ‘others’ plus all past and future ‘others’) vanished. I only get to meet flesh and blood bodies here in this actual world’. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 12k, 2 July 2001).

• [Respondent]: In which way would two actually free people recognize one another?
• [Richard]: As I only get to meet flesh and blood bodies here in this actual world I can only take another’s word for it that they experience themself to be an identity ... albeit usually in a dissociated way (by saying they have one). 
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• [Respondent]: In other words, you would not be able to recognize another actually free person if you saw and interacted with them, were they not to explicitly tell you that they are a flesh and blood body only?
• [Richard]: Oh, it soon becomes obvious, and quite often with even the briefest of conversation, through both tone of voice and content (if not by behaviour, facial expression, and bodily posture, alone), whether or not there is an affective ‘being’ in residence both hijacking my words and imputing all manner of real-to-‘them’ things into me (or, rather, into the ‘me’ which that very ‘being’ as a matter-of-course simultaneously projects into me). It is always a delight to be with another when they are having a pure consciousness experience (PCE) for it soon becomes obvious that there is no affective ‘being’ in residence. For instance:

• [Richard]: ‘... I have been able to ascertain that anybody that I have been with whilst they were having a PCE is indubitably experiencing the same-same experience as is my on-going experiencing ... plus they have tended to say things such as they now see what I have been saying all along for themselves; that everything I have ever said is accurate; that they understand what I have been getting at; that they know why it is difficult for others to comprehend; that they can now talk on an equal footing with me; that life is indeed grand ... amazing, marvellous, and truly wondrous.
I usually ask pertinent questions: for example very early in the piece I asked my current companion, once the PCE was definitely happening, what she had to say now about love (always a hot topic):
‘Love?’ she said, ‘Why there is no room for love here!’
She went on to expand, saying there was no need for love as everything was already perfect, and there was no separation, and so on ... but she had said enough in her initial response to both satisfy and delight me.
Now, I have never used such an expression – ‘there is no room for love here’ – yet I knew perfectly well what was being conveyed’. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 44d, 15 September 2003).

(Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 103b, 25 October 2005).

If the whim takes you and you have time to respond to my query, it will be greatly appreciated.

RICHARD: G’day Initials &c., First of all, a minor technical point (purely for the sake of clarity in communication): I have been referring to peoples newly free as being actually free of the instinctual passions/ the feeling-being formed thereof – as compared to fully free (i.e., sans identity in toto/ the entire affective faculty) – so as to not only delineate the instinctual nature of what magically disappears during the definitive event/ the pivotal moment an actual freedom takes place but to also emphasise the non-instinctual make-up of the social identity (a culturally-inculcated societal/ familial entity). Viz.:

• [Co-Respondent]: ‘So, what exactly do you think he [Tarin] is experiencing then, if not an actual freedom? Are you suggesting there is some condition where the person has no emotions nor sense of identity/ self that is somehow not quite yet an actual freedom?’
• [Richard]: ‘[...] First, obviously I am not suggesting there is some condition where a person sans identity in toto/ the entire affective faculty is not actually free from the human condition (as that would simply be absurd). Second, I am not suggesting there is some condition where a person (newly) free of the instinctual passions/ the feeling-being formed thereof is not actually free ... albeit not yet fully-free due, in part at least, to some shadowy remnants of a lingering social identity. (The social identity, being a culturally-inculcated societal/ familial entity, and not instinctually-based, is not necessarily rendered completely null and void at the definitive event/ pivotal moment an actual freedom takes place; a period of accommodation and adjustment and acclimatisation, all throughout the normal day-to-day life, ensures the habituated patterns of a life-time cease). (Message 11929 Richard, List D, No. 12, 10 December 2012).

Second, my response will make more sense by first delineating how there are, in essence, only two stages in the actualism proceedings ... namely:

1. a virtual freedom.

2. an actual freedom.

The first stage can have two aspects ... to wit:

1. a still-in-control/ same-way-of-being virtual freedom (by virtue of the actualism method).

2. an out-from-control/ different-way-of-being virtual freedom (per favour the actualism process).

The second stage also features two aspects (else it be ‘too much, too fast, too soon’) ... Viz.:

1. newly free (aka peace-on-earth freedom).

2. fully free (aka meaning-of-life freedom).

Now, Justine has been referring to being fully free from the human condition as being at [quote] ‘RICHARD’S PLACE’ [endquote] ... such as he did on this forum around seven weeks ago (on the 28th of March, 2013). Viz.:

Message: #13155
From: jkoperumcholan
Date: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:47 am
Subject: Actualism and work

Dear All, 1) I wish to share few points.
[...snip...].
6) Personally, I am yet to travel a long way to ‘RICHARD’S PLACE’ (as I call it).
[...snip...].
With kind regards, Justine.

Yet, on the 29th of March (a day later) he sent an email to me, privately, stating he has been at ‘RICHARD’S PLACE’ for the last three months and asking me to [quote] ‘Kindly oblige to confirm!’ [endquote].

As both statements cannot simultaneously be true my reply (my first email to him in 14 months) was to the effect that, going by what he had extensively and consistently written in the last year or so, I could not even confirm him as having become actually free, period, as the overall impression conveyed throughout all those words of his was of a watered-down book-learnt presentation of enlightenment/ awakenment.

In short, I made sure it be clear my reply came solely from what he had written and the impression his words conveyed – saying nothing at all about what might actually be the case – and then appended the following (representative) quote due to its ruminative potential:

• [D. Justine J.]: ‘I developed my intuitions to further realms, where things fell in their right places. I did not need to master the whole web site of Richard’.
(www.dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/3322135#_19_message_3311485).

However, in lieu of discussing the matter with those peoples here in Australia who are unmistakably either newly free or fully free (via having completed the transitional process), so as to shed some shared experiential light upon what might actually be the case, he chose instead to provide a day-by-day public account of what someone going through the ‘Richard is insane’ phase is thereby induced to think, to say and to act out.

If nothing else he is providing a very useful record for others to learn from/ take heed of and, thus, nip-in-the-bud at an incipient phase any tendency of similar ilk in themselves.

Incidentally, he is also providing an eye-opening display of what can happen when that which he characterises as [quote] ‘the Indian psyche’ [endquote] is rendered null and void by that which is entirely new to human experience/ human history. Viz.:

[Richard]: ‘(...) the ancient wisdom has finally met its match’. (Richard, List B, No.33, 30 Oct 2002)

Regards, Richard.

May 20 2013

Re: Recognising other actually free people

RESPONDENT: I’ve read the following exchange and found it very interesting: (...)

Richard, I would like to ask you, do you still personally ascertain that Justine is actually free of the instinctual passions/ the identity formed thereof, or that he may be (my assumption) in some altered state of consciousness? (...)

RICHARD: (...) Justine has been referring to being fully free from the human condition as being at [quote] ‘RICHARD’S PLACE’ [endquote] ... such as he did on this forum around seven weeks ago (on the 28th of March, 2013). Viz.:

Message: #13155 From: jkoperumcholan [...snip...].

Yet, on the 29th of March (a day later) he sent an email to me, privately, stating he has been at ‘RICHARD’S PLACE’ for the last three months and asking me to [quote] ‘Kindly oblige to confirm!’ [endquote].

As both statements cannot simultaneously be true my reply (my first email to him in 14 months) was to the effect that, going by what he had extensively and consistently written in the last year or so, I could not even confirm him as having become actually free, period, as the overall impression conveyed throughout all those words of his was of a watered- down book-learnt presentation of enlightenment/ awakenment.

In short, I made sure it be clear my reply came solely from what he had written and the impression his words conveyed – saying nothing at all about what might actually be the case – and then appended the following (representative) quote due to its ruminative potential:

• [Justine]: ‘I developed my intuitions to further realms, where things fell in their right places. I did not need to master the whole web site of Richard’. [endquote].

However, in lieu of discussing the matter with those peoples here in Australia who are unmistakably either newly free or fully free (via having completed the transitional process), so as to shed some shared experiential light upon what might actually be the case, he chose instead to provide a day-by-day public account of what someone going through the ‘Richard is insane’ phase is thereby induced to think, to say and to act out. If nothing else he is providing a very useful record for others to learn from/ take heed of and, thus, nip-in-the-bud at an incipient phase any tendency of similar ilk in themselves.

Incidentally, he is also providing an eye-opening display of what can happen when that which he characterises as [quote] ‘the Indian psyche’ [endquote] is rendered null and void by that which is entirely new to human experience/ human history.

RESPONDENT: Thank you Richard, could you, please, elucidate ‘this (representative) quote due to its ruminative potential’: [D. Justine J.]: ‘I developed my intuitions to further realms, where things fell in their right places. I did not need to master the whole web site of Richard’. (www.dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/3322135#_19_message_3311485).

RICHARD: Sure ... the parenthesised word representative (‘a person or thing which represents or serves as an example for another or others of the same or similar type or classification’) indicates how the appended quote was but one among many which could have been presented that had the potential to fruitfully ruminate on (‘to turn a matter over in the mind; meditate, contemplate or ponder upon; muse over, reflect upon or consider thoughtfully’).

As well as that, in my appraisal regarding what was being requested of me, that quote (referring as it did to ‘intuitions’ taking precedence over facts and actuality) also best represented the nub of the issue at hand.

For instance:

• intuit (v.): understand or work out by instinct (e.g.: ‘intuited his real identity’); intuitive (adj.): using or based on what one feels to be true even without conscious reasoning; instinctive (e.g.: ‘his intuitive understanding of the readers’ real needs’). ~ (Oxford Dictionary).

• intuitive (adj.): 1. of, relating to, or arising from intuition [i.e.: the act or faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes]; 2. known or perceived through intuition; see synonyms at instinctive [viz.: instinctive, instinctual, intuitive, visceral: these adjectives mean derived from or prompted by a natural tendency or impulse (e.g.: ‘an instinctive fear of snakes’; ‘instinctual behaviour’; ‘an intuitive perception’; ‘visceral revulsion’]. ~ (American Heritage Dictionary).

• intuition (n.): instinctive knowing (without the use of rational processes); intuitive feeling: an intuitive understanding of something (e.g.: ‘he had a great feeling for music’); gnosis: intuitive know- ledge of spiritual truths; said to have been possessed by ancient Gnostics; sixth sense: grasping the inner nature of things intuitively. ~ (WordNet 3.0).

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Incidentally, that reliance upon ‘developed intuitions’ serves as a possible explanation for why he reacted publicly to my reply (my first and only email to him in 14 months) instead of communicating further about the matter, with those peoples here in Australia who are unmistakably either newly free or fully free (having completed the transitional process), so as to shed some shared experiential light upon what might actually be the case.

He does seem to be unaware that, by choosing to not communicate further, he cuts himself off from access to the wealth of information personally gleaned from the other daring pioneers referred to in my emailed response to his request.

Regards, Richard.

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