Actual Freedom ~ Frequently Flogged Misconceptions

I don’t think you even understand the first thing about Eastern spirituality. Nor Western, come to think of it.

I don’t want to dispute with you what other people have said although I must tell you that all the quotes of Krishnamurti you brought to our discussion are completely misleading. You have no understanding of the man all you can do is belittle him, for your point to rise up to the surface.

I think Vineeto (and perhaps Richard) do not know what they are talking about when they speak of Vipassana: SC ‘body’. From what I have been taught, the teaching of Vipassana is to go beyond both body AND consciousness, or mind. Maybe you guys just know Vipassana as taught by quacks.

It is obvious that the people on this list do not know too much about Buddhism. There are many different schools of Buddhism. The knowledge of Richard in regard to Buddhism and Gurdjieff is pathetically limited, and he also does not seem to really understand the teaching of J. Krishnamurti. He has shaped it all to fit his preconceptions, to make ‘actualism’, but anyone who goes to the website and has any real understanding of some of these topics would be instantly repelled, as his presentation comes across as very ignorant.

While there may indeed be some who proclaim to be Buddhist who hold to this definition of detachment it is by no means ‘the Buddhist meaning’ as Richard would have us believe. Rather, detachment (properly understood in the context of the teachings of Buddha) is regarded on one level as an ending of the identification process; identifying with possessions, beliefs, titles, jobs, status, etc.

In the view from here, withdrawal from the world of senses is the opposite of what Buddha mind ‘teaches’. Withdrawal from the senses seems more consistent with the ascetic practices the one who became slandered as ‘the Buddha’ practiced trying to become enlightened. He renounced such practices afterwards, saying they only harm the practitioner (not that this only applies physically, of course).

I think you had the bad luck, while you were looking for enlightenment], to meet blind teachers and vagabonds, like Peter and Vineeto, like Osho with his Rolls Royce’s and his orgies. Krishnamurti is a special case. The same you done for Buddha Jesus, by call him a flat earth god man, etc. The same you said for U.G. Krishnamurti.