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Peter’s Correspondence on Mailing List C Correspondent No 11
RESPONDENT: PETER-LOVE, Conciseness, obviously, is not a gift derived from your philosophy. PETER: Just a short, concise note back. Ah, well spotted. Yes this new ‘philosophy’ has curios quality that it is so new that these are amongst the first words written on it. Richard has clocked up about 300,000 words and Vineeto and I have notched up about another 100,000. The ‘tried and true’ has billions of words and can be found in every bookshop, library, school, temple and church. It has the burden of tradition and the past. But replying to you on the net this moment is as fresh as it gets – not a scrap of Ancient Wisdom in these fingertips. Unlike the ‘energies’ and affective transmissions of the spirit-ual, the only way to describe what I am talking of is by words, so I write. RESPONDENT: Ayn Rand addressed freedom from a moral perspective, so it is not new. PETER: Ayn Rand’s morality, or ‘new ethics’ is merely an attempt to impose yet another set of ethics and moralities on humans with her ‘Objectivism’. I think you need to read further, as actualism is a freedom from the restrictions of morals and ethics such that one becomes actually happy and harmless. This forsakes the need to comply to and be restricted by any system of imposed values and beliefs. Of course, it is sensible to obey the laws of the land, but the freedom experienced in actualism is both limitless and actual and beyond my wildest dreams. Actual means: that which is palpable, tangible, tactile, corporeal, material. In comparison, real is that which, while appearing actual and is merely the affective interpretation of the actual. RESPONDENT: Can one not realize the same wave upon wave of pleasure from eating a single strawberry as in coitus? Is not pleasure a function of mind? PETER: All sensate experience be it sight, taste, hearing, smell or touch is picked up by the sense organs which are but the ‘stalks’ of the brain. These signals are usually filtered by the ‘self’, the psychological and psychic entity within each of us, resulting in ‘normal’, edited sensate experience. When this filter is temporarily absent as in the peak experience or some drug induced states, the sensate experience can be direct and unfiltered. Then the sensate-only experience is extra-ordinary. One has a heightened sensory perception free of any sense of ‘I’ or ‘me’. To live this as a permanent state is Actual Freedom – freedom from the Human Condition. RESPONDENT: When one is truly free, where would the drive to spread their meme come from? PETER: I did glance at the meme theory, but I go by the factual biological and observable evidence of instinctual behaviour and drives. They can be eliminated. You can change the programming blind nature has given you. But you have to throw out the belief in a God or a ‘Something Else’ that is going to fix you up or somehow miraculously make it all better. RESPONDENT: Perhaps your freedom is merely wishful thinking. It has been said, ‘The drowning man yells the loudest.’ PETER: I finished drowning when I ran into Richard and now I have finished with ‘searching’. It is so good to arrive, to be fully living at last. As for yelling? I am just telling my story. It is just that there might be another Peter or Vineeto out there and I would like them to know that there is an alternative. So, hope I was brief.
PETER: I see that we may well have a lively conversation on these matters. I welcome the chance to talk with you about the sense we make of the world, something I have found very rare, particularly in the spiritual world. A belief in a particular Path, Guru or God, by necessity, means that it is then impossible to question the very nature of the message. The funny thing is, I was attracted to Rajneesh originally, as the offer appeared to be freedom from religion and dogma. It was only 2 years ago that it began to dawn on me that what I had got myself into was yet another version of belief in God, a Supreme being, ‘Intelligence’ or ‘Energy’ that is somehow ‘behind’ the scenes and that we all desperately seek ‘union’ with. It was shocking to my very core, the ground literally shifted beneath the feet of who I ‘thought’ and ‘felt’ I was. So, in response to your statement – RESPONDENT: Reality is what one realizes. Actuality is all that is occurring throughout the Universe. PETER: Maybe you missed the first post I sent which indicates the THREE worlds that are possible for humans to perceive, two are imaginary (but appear to be real) but only one is actual.
Or, to put it another way –
RESPONDENT: Dute* – *Said in response to something that is so obvious to everyone ... or should be. PETER: What I write of is not obvious to everyone as it is the first time, apart from Richard’s and Vineeto’s writings, that this has been said. It is therefore understandable that it is a struggle and an effort to accept something that is so strange and unknown. The only point of reference I had was the peak experience where I remembered that I had experienced the actual world free of a self – or of a god/creator to whom I felt gratitude, or of the seductive feeling of Love, Glory, or Oneness. The purity, perfection, directness, sensual experience was so startling, so immediate, that it was astounding – yet all was calm, easy, carefree and delightful. I was the universe-experiencing-itself as a sensate, flesh and blood human being. (note – most definitely not ... Universe) So, hope this explains things a bit more – It took me months and months of reading and contemplating to begin to realize what Richard was saying, and how radically different it was to the spirit-ual concepts I had, but a fascination of investigating and discovering some thing new ... drove me on ... beyond my pride ...
RESPONDENT: PETER-LOVE, ‘I’m sitting ... I am saying... I mused... I first came across... my reactions. I am looking... When I first met ... I was full ... I felt that... I naturally assumed... I had... I leapt... I realised... something far more radical – the total annihilation of the ‘self’. I remember... dawned on me... I was in for – the end of ‘me’. I thought,... The end of ‘me’! ... But I had... free myself... I had determined... as I stood... my son. I had decided ... I propositioned... I do appreciate... all I am saying... my experience... I wrote in my journal of my battle... I still found myself defending... I, and everyone... I had been reading... I found ... I found... I used... to make... to me... I was able to... I realized... I had met... I was obviously... tom! I reached... I thought I was going... I only had to... I lived... here I was... I remember...to me... I mind... I thought... I saw... I was thinking... I was... I ruled ... I somehow knew ... my head... my belief... drove me on – I was... in me...I realized... I no longer...I knew I could not... on me... help me... I could... my own intelligence... I have got it right... I knew... I have been such a fool! ... I recognized... bound me... given me... I then realized... I came to realize... I would be a greater fool... I often saw... on myself... I realized... my life... I was after... I started... in me... I got further... I began... I had begun... my role... I would see myself... It seemed to me... I also had... to myself... in my desire... to me in my situation... I would try... I saw that... I had no power... I would not want... I tried to... this path is anathema to the ‘self’... in myself... in me... I be seduced... I had reached... I had glimpsed... my life... In my experience... I was becoming... I was busy arriving...’ Obviously this path has not made the slightest dent in this ego. PETER: Just thought I would do both of your posts tonight... Have you ever tried to write a personal story about yourself without the first person pronoun I? It is very difficult. If I used the word coconut instead of I, it comes out looking pretty weird – coconut sitting.., coconut is saying..., coconut mused... Royalty use the term ‘we’ as in ‘We hereby declare ...’ to denote that they are above the ordinary and speak as kings/queens. Religious leaders declare they have found the Truth, or Love and then go on to talk about it thus avoiding the use of the personal pronoun. Of, course it is then God, Truth speaking and not them, they are but ‘humble messengers’. What a load of rot! Now, that is what I call Ego-maniacal! And yet when a flesh and blood human tells his story... So all encompassing is the belief in God, be it Eastern or Western versions, that anyone who challenges the belief is said to be egotistical, yet someone who calls himself God is seen to be free of ego!! It will take a while, but it will be so good when we are free of these nonsensical concepts and beliefs ... So, I will continue to refer to myself, this flesh and blood body free of any psychological and psychic entity, as I. RESPONDENT: Agapé-No 11 PETER: If by Agapé you mean DIVINE LOVE ... it is wasted on me. I am one of only a handful of atheists on the planet.
RESPONDENT: After one has the PCE the ‘I’ is lost and only the here and now is experienced. PETER: Maybe you would like to post a bit and describe your Pure Consciousness Experience (PCE) so we can discuss the matter in detail. Otherwise I have no basis for discussion. RESPONDENT: But trying to sell the experience with words is a waste at worst and silly at best. PETER: Of course you can’t sell an experience (... let alone a book describing it) but I disagree that it can’t be described in words. Otherwise we are forever stuck with the old mystical stuff of ‘the truth cannot be spoken’. Are we only to ‘receive it’ as a transmission from the Holy Men? This system of slavery and disciplehood has entrapped millions in the East for centuries to no avail. I am interested in discussing these matters. Can you tell me why you can’t describe these experiences with words?
PETER: Have you ever tried to write a personal story about yourself without the first person pronoun I ? RESPONDENT: Yes. PETER: We seem to exchange brief notes. So I’ll try and keep to the standard set. What do you call yourself then? I am curious as to how you did it without using Royal or Divine terms. * PETER: If by Agapé you mean DIVINE LOVE ... it is wasted on me. I am one of a only a handful of atheists on the planet. RESPONDENT: When one is truly free ... there is no need for such nonsense as believing there is no Divine Love, then one is a Gnostic, one who knows, one who has no belief. PETER: So, one who is truly free is one who is not merely pretending, I take it from the first bit. There are about 6,000 religions who all believe that they have the ‘true’ version of Truth, or Liberation, or Freedom. The truth is such a woolly concept it seems to me. You then say ‘there is no need for such nonsense as believing there is no Divine Love’. I take it then that you believe there is Divine Love, or are you saying that The Divine (God) is a fact. I take it that you are saying you believe in God. A Gnostic is one who claims to have ‘superior knowledge’ of spirit-ual things (Godly matters) and therefore believes in Gods and spirits. Are you saying you are a Gnostic? I am trying to make sense of what it is that you are saying. RESPONDENT: When one experiences this LOVE they are not moved by the words of a ‘Richard’ or anyone else, for they are just words and it is just mind that is moved by them. PETER: In the previous post you said, ‘in the PCE the ‘I’ is lost and only here and now is experienced.’ Now you seem to be saying that Love is experienced. The Pure Consciousness Experience is a pure experience untainted by any affectations such as God, Love, Oneness, etc. What you are describing is well documented as an Altered State of Conciseness (ASC) whereby one thinks one is someone else ... in this case Love or God. It is a delusion whereby one sees oneself as the Saviour, God, Love etc. In the ASC the identity merely shifts from the head to the heart, from the ego to the soul – the self becomes the Self. This is why in the East it is preached that one should watch the thoughts and get out of the mind. One’s identity makes the only escape possible – to the Heavenly realms of imagination and, if successful, a more or less permanent ASC is obtained ... and yet another Saviour is born. RESPONDENT: Vivian, Mabel, Winnifred and Florian, among others, have reported a different reality than the one you espouse about being soulless. PETER: Never heard of these people or their reports. I am interested in anyone who has described their experiences. Can you give me some references as to where I can read of them? RESPONDENT: But then you have probably not had any direct experience with the DIVINE yet. PETER: Yes I have had many experiences, a description of the strongest experience I will post below (there goes brevity) RESPONDENT: Not to worry though, it can and will happen without any effort on your part. PETER: No, there is no chance of the Divine entering this body. I have lost my faculty to imagine such experiences any more. I have come to my senses both literally and figuratively. So, good to chat again. * P.S. In this post you may have noted I have continued using I as the personal pronoun for me, this flesh and blood body. Whenever I refer to the psychological entity, I use the notation ‘I’ – who we think we are , and when I refer to the psychic entity I use the term ‘me’ – who we feel we are. It is a convention that Richard uses and I adopted it for both clarity and consistency. PPS. Here is the bit from the God chapter of my journal, describing an ASC, Altered State of Consciousness:
PETER: Have you ever tried to write a personal story about yourself without the first person pronoun I? RESPONDENT: Yes. PETER: What do you call yourself then? RESPONDENT: No 11, this one, this writer... PETER: Well I must admit you (sorry the writer) have thrown me (oops ... a personal pronoun) into a quandary. In the interests of keeping us on the same level in that the writer (meaning you) doesn’t think that I am being superior or egotistical, I will adopt your terminology. By the way, does the writer (meaning you ... suppose we call you writer 1 for clarity) adopt the terminology ‘the speaker’ when the writer 1 is speaking to others. Krishnamurti used this terminology while lecturing. * PETER: So, one who is truly free is one who is not merely pretending, I take it from the first bit. There are about 6,000 religions who all believe that they have the ‘true’ version of Truth, or Liberation, or Freedom. RESPONDENT: The operative word is ‘believe’... one who knows has no belief. PETER: So the writer 2 (meaning me) take it that the writer 1 ‘knows’. Maybe the writer 1 can tell the writer 2 what it is that the writer 1 knows. Or is it that it can’t be put into words. It seems that we (writer 1 and writer 2) cannot communicate at all then. Knowing is such a woolly concept to writer 2. RESPONDENT: The truth is such a woolly concept it seems to me. PETER: That’s funny, the writer 2 said that, and yet the writer 1 posted it as though the writer 1 had written it. PETER: I take it then that you believe there is Divine Love, or are you saying that The Divine (God) is a fact. I take it that you are saying you believe in God. RESPONDENT: Why would your take it that one who knows would have a belief? It is illogical. PETER: The writer 2 has got it at last .. a sudden realization. Whatever it is that the writer 1 ‘knows’ is a fact and not a belief. And whatever it is that writer 1 knows cannot be put into words ... and therefore the truth (sorry, what the writer 1 knows) cannot possibly be challenged, because it is a fact. * PETER: A Gnostic is one who claims to have ‘superior knowledge’ of spirit-ual things (Godly matters) and therefore believes in Gods and spirits. RESPONDENT: Why do you continue to equate ‘knowledge’ with ‘belief’? Gnosis is not the same as belief at all. Do you know the experience of ‘sex’ or after having had it, do you believe in it? PETER: The writer 2 has got it now as the writer 2 said above. Whatever writer 1 ‘knows’ is a fact and not a belief. It is getting really clear to the writer 2 by now. The writer 1 seems to have a different definition of Gnosis from both the Britannica and the Oxford, but the writer 1 ‘knows’. Maybe the writer 1 should set Britannica and Oxford straight on his knowing. * PETER: In the previous post you said, ‘in the PCE the ‘I’ is lost and only here and now is experienced.’ Now you seem to be saying that Love is experienced. RESPONDENT: The operative word is ‘this’, referring to Agapé. When one experiences Agapé the illusion of past and future or there, or other is no more. PETER: The writer 2 must admit to having missed ‘this’, it completely passed the writer 2 by. Maybe it is the ‘this’ that cannot be put into words and that is why the writer 2 couldn’t see it. Is ‘this’ any relative to ‘That’ or is it different? RESPONDENT: Vivian, Mabel, Winnifred and Florian, among others, have reported a different reality than the one you espouse about being soulless. PETER: Never heard of these people or their reports. I am interested in anyone who has described their experiences. Can you give me some references as to where I can read of them? RESPONDENT: These are women who have described to the writer, their existence after dying; between days and years following the event. PETER: The writer 2 is confused again. Does the writer 1 mean that the writer 1 is channelling these women after physical death or is the writer 1 referring to their spiritual death as in Enlightenment? RESPONDENT: But then you have probably not had any direct experience with the DIVINE yet. PETER: Yes, I have had many experiences, a description of the strongest experience I will post below. <snip> RESPONDENT: And as was written, ‘...you have probably not had any direct experience with the DIVINE yet.’ Your description attests to this. PETER: The writer 2 is confused again. The writer 2 guesses that it is because the writer 2 cannot channel. Thus the experiences are not DIRECT experiences and are only imaginary. * PETER: Can you tell me why you can’t describe these experiences with words? RESPONDENT: It can best be described with hearty laughter. Do you understand hearty laughter? PETER: This has been such fun, the writer 2 has had such a good laugh. (... on the recommendation of the writer 1)
PETER: Our ISP has been down for a bit so haven’t had a chance to respond to your last post. I’ve dropped the writer bit and gone for the wiz-No 11 – seems appropriate. * PETER: By the way, does the writer (meaning you ...) adopt the terminology ‘the speaker’ when speaking to others. Krishnamurti used this terminology while lecturing. RESPONDENT: No. It has not been necessary yet. PETER: By the ‘yet’ bit I take it that you are not yet lecturing to halls full of people. * PETER: Knowing is such a woolly concept to writer 2. RESPONDENT: Obviously. PETER: But not to No. 11, so it seems. You have said it cannot be put into words. To quote you from previous posts – RESPONDENT: ‘Those who have not had the mystical experience would still think it can be described and discussed, for they are still in their heads, still proud of their cleverness’. ‘Of course it is not a transmission from ‘the Holy Men’, it is a realization of what is’. ‘It can best be described with hearty laughter. Do you understand hearty laughter?’ PETER: This seems to me not only woolly but a mere parroting of the words of others. * PETER: I take it then that you believe there is Divine Love, or are you saying that The Divine (God) is a fact. I take it that you are saying you believe in God. RESPONDENT: No. Agapé is the essence of all there is. It is a word fraught with other meanings to other people, but it is shorter than Unconditional-Love which is what is meant. PETER: So, as I understand, you see Unconditional-Love (Agapé) as the ‘essence of all there is’. I guess, when you say the mystical experience is a ‘realization of what is’, it is a realization of Unconditional Love, and definitely not the human love that mere mortals struggle with and fail to live in there every-day lives. Do you live in this state of Unconditional-Love permanently and is that why you use it as a blessing/ signature to others, or is it a fond wish of yours to one day realize this state? * PETER: The writer 1 seems to have a different definition of Gnosis from both the Britannica and the Oxford, RESPONDENT: True. PETER: Maybe the writer 1 should set Britannica and Oxford straight on his ‘knowing’. RESPONDENT: Is it necessary to set anyone straight? PETER: Not at all, if you merely wish to blindly follow those whose knowledge is so profound, mystical and imaginary that it cannot be put into words. And anyone who tries is ‘still proud of their cleverness’. I see ample evidence in the Eastern Religions of an an over-bearing pride and arrogance in their insistence on ignorance, unquestioning obedience and acceptance. The physical conditions of suffering, poverty, disease, repression, caste structure etc. bears testimony to the inherent failure of the Guru system. Rather than being proud of their cleverness the Gurus have an enormous pride in their own ‘knowing’ and an investment in keeping others ignorant and lower. No disciples = no Gurus. * PETER: The writer 2 is confused again. Does the writer 1 mean that the writer 1 is channelling these women after physical death or is the writer 1 referring to their spiritual death .. as in Enlightenment? RESPONDENT: Neither. It refers to their visual and audible manifestation. PETER: Do you mean that you their ‘hear’ voices in your head and you ‘see’ them in your imagination? If, on the other hand, you have videos, photos or tape recordings you should let the scientific community know as they have been searching for almost a century trying to find actual authentic evidence of life after death. * PETER: The writer 2 is confused again. The writer 2 guesses that it is because the writer 2 cannot channel. Thus the experiences are not DIRECT experiences and are only imaginary. RESPONDENT: Channelling is different from the ‘direct’ or mystical experience. PETER: From what I understand, in the ‘Ancient Times,’ channelling was the exclusive preserve of the Prophets who channelled the Word of God by some Divine transmission. The witchdoctors and shamans dealt with both good and evil spirits of the dead but not in a such a personal channelling of individual spirits as is common today. This fashion seems to have taken hold in the seances held in the parlours of Victorian England where people attempted to ‘communicate’ with dead relatives via mediums. The New Age has taken this to the extreme of channelling Guides, Aliens, Dolphins, etc. with gay abandon. Everybody ‘channels’ at some point in their life, be it talking to dead relatives, lovers, or praying to God or dead Masters. It is a common experience of most humans and some merely take it to extremes. A woman I knew made a good living out of it for a while. So yes, I agree, channelling is different from the direct or mystical experience in that it involves some contact with another individual ‘spirit’, but the common thread is the belief in an after-life and that the experience is affective and not actual. * PETER: This has been such fun, the writer 2 has had such a good laugh. (... on the recommendation of the writer 1). RESPONDENT: Examine your need to proselytize and you may have even more laughter. PETER: To proselytize is to ‘convert, come over, or change from one opinion, religious belief, sect, or the like to another’, according to my dictionary. Since I truck not with religions or Gods, I am clearly not proselytizing – but then you would only say you have your own meaning for words. You probably regard me as driven ‘to set you straight.’ An impossible job on someone who is so tricky as to insist on his own meaning for words, separate from that accepted by others. I would even suggest a touch of arrogance or cleverness is apparent? ... but I could be wrong. You may just be being humble. You’re right about one thing though ... there is even more laughter.
PETER: Good to chat again, but we seem not to have advanced beyond the ‘crossing swords’ stage yet. I guess that, as you are ‘realized’ and live permanently in a state of Unconditional Love, we may never get ‘down dirty’ and talk about the more mundane things of life such as instinctual behaviour, fear and aggression, the physical senses, the physical universe, feeling, emotions, apperception, awareness, etc. Still, let’s see where we get to this time – RESPONDENT: Those who have not had the mystical experience would still think it can be described and discussed, for they are still in their heads, still proud of their cleverness. Of course it is not a transmission from ‘the Holy Men’, it is a realization of what is. It can best be described with hearty laughter. Do you understand hearty laughter?’ PETER: This seems to me not only woolly but a mere parroting of the words of others. RESPONDENT: Of course, these are well-used words ... as are most words. Your judgement is also a well-used judgement. PETER: Okay, try these words then –
Not ‘well-used words’, but fresh off the keyboard, and please do tell me who else has this sort of ‘well-used’ judgement? Where else have you read this? Who else is saying this – or has ever said this? I genuinely would be interested if you have heard this elsewhere as Richard, Vineeto and I have searched high and low through a lot of the voluminous ‘New-Age’ and all of the all-encompassing Ancient Wisdom. We have found no one who has challenged the Eastern spiritual and religious texts, let alone proposed that ... EVERYONE HAS GOT IT 180 DEGREES WRONG, EVERYONE. But it does make sense – and it does explain why, after millions, if not billions, of devotees having diligently practiced the methods, surrendered, trusted, had faith and lived the teachings, that there is still not even a semblance of peace or harmony anywhere on this paradisiacal planet. Surely we can say the well-used words and well-used judgements of the Ancient Wise Men have failed, (or at least be subject to some intelligent scrutiny?) Or are we to give them a few more millennia to prove their case. Or are their words and judgements so, so Holy and Sacrosanct. * PETER: Does the writer 1 mean that the writer 1 is channelling these women after physical death or is the writer 1 referring to their spiritual death ... as in Enlightenment? RESPONDENT: Neither. It refers to their visual and audible manifestation. PETER: Do you mean that you ‘hear’ their voices in your head and you ‘see’ them in your imagination? RESPONDENT: One hears all sounds inside the head. That is how the human body is constructed. These women have appeared as physical manifestations within the context of consensual reality both in private and public settings. The manifestations were as real as an upside-down rainbow, or the end of a rainbow; both of which have been experienced without recording them. The lack of recording did not make any of these experiences less authentic. PETER: One hears all sounds within the head. The ears are indeed the ‘stalks’ or sense organs by which sound is directly transmitted to the brain. In the case of the fans running in this room, an occasional car going by, and my fingers tapping on the keyboard – the source of the sounds, the scientifically measurable sound waves, my ears, as well as my brain are all actual – no ‘consensual reality’ or illusion here. By the way, isn’t the tiny little click of the space bar cute, or is it only my bar that makes that noise? Soon you will be telling me that these words that appear on my screen, and soon on yours, are illusionary as is this communication, and then I know it will be time to stop writing and adding more illusory to your authentic consensual reality. The other day, I had a man tell me that God is everything, and I pointed to our television set and asked him, ‘does that mean the television set is God?’, and he just looked a little blank. If you had been there you could have re-assured him that the television set was just a consensual reality. But, then again, what he calls ‘God’, you would call ‘consensual reality’ while I would call it a television set... * PETER: You should let the scientific community know as they have been searching for almost a century trying to find actual authentic evidence of life after death. RESPONDENT: The scientific community has been involved with much more than this. Very little of their efforts have gone towards trying to find actual authentic evidence of life after death. PETER: Yes, enormous sums of money and countless hours are being spent on the search for the beginning of time, the edge of the universe, parallel universes, black holes, space-time continuums, bent time, cyclic time, time reversing universes, etc. – all with the desperate hope of finding ‘something other’ than this actual physical universe. They seem to have left communicating with the dead to the more psychically inclined. * PETER: To proselytize is to ‘convert, come over, or change from one opinion, religious belief, sect, or the like to another’, according to my dictionary. Since I truck not with religions or Gods, I am clearly not proselytizing – RESPONDENT: ‘... or change from one opinion, ... or the like to another’ is applicable to your attempts. PETER: No, I abandoned opinions and belief and went for facts, abandoned ‘right and wrong’, ‘good and bad’, and went for ‘silly and sensible’, abandoned consensual reality and Greater Reality and went for what is actual, abandoned after-life and re-incarnation and went for this very life, abandoned love and went for direct intimacy, abandoned the Timeless and went for this moment of being alive. * PETER: You’re right about one thing though ... there is even more laughter. RESPONDENT: Do you laugh with or at? The answer is telling of your character. PETER: I do enjoy black humour of the Monty Python, Black Adder, variety as it is often cuttingly incisive of the way we humans behave. A lot of what else that passes for humour I find simply vindictive and malicious. I certainly don’t take myself seriously, but as I look back, I acknowledge that much of my past behaviour has hurt others, and there was a seriousness about this that caused me to want to clean myself up. I am interested in where else you have heard these ‘well-used words’? Would you care to reply, and it would be helpful to the discussion if you could quote the source(s).
PETER: It is good to talk about the world as-it-is, for it is where we humans live our lives, the world we were born into. The substantive and diametrically opposite difference between spirituality and actualism is that –
* PETER: Well for me it ‘hit me like a ton of bricks’ one day when I realised that the spiritual path is not a new thing – millions if not billions of Easterners have painstakingly and diligently practiced meditation, witnessing, watching, retreating from the real world, etc. for thousands of years with so few ‘reaching’ and no tangible, actual change in the Human Condition for the rest – humans are still firmly in the grip of malice and sorrow. The problem with the world AS IT IS is that humans still fight horrendous wars 160,000,000 killed in wars this century alone and the proffered hallowed solutions are a mere fantasy escape from this reality. RESPONDENT: The last 20 years has seen a drastic change of the number of people killed in wars. Actually since shortly after WW II there was a sharp drop-off of deaths. Now the mortality rate of a soldier in the world is the same as that of a nurse. It always is helpful to have additional facts when one is writing about the ‘world AS IT IS..’ PETER: There have been two major wars fought this century – the first, a horrendous war as the leaders of both sides fought a war of attrition sacrificing millions for a few kilometres of ground gained. The second world war saw the innovation of aerial bombing such that all sides slaughtered not only soldiers but women and children living in cities far behind the ‘front lines’. The culmination of this new phase saw the development of REALLY BIG BOMBS called atomic bombs. It is no exaggeration to say that for the first time Humanity ‘scared even itself’ as to it’s collective insanity. Further we had the ‘Mexican stand off’ with tens of thousands of nuclear armed missiles held by two sides in a scenario termed MAD – mutually assured destruction. And further still, modern communications and TV coverage (Vietnam, Iraq, Israel, Northern Ireland, Afghanistan etc.) has increased our awareness of the horror of war. Less and less is it a thing that men go off with honour and dignity to do for ‘a clear and just cause’. Further innovation has led to the development of smart stand-off weapons which radically decrease the likelihood of soldiers on the more wealthy side being killed. So, the reduction in deaths has been wrought by the advances in technology and communications that have occurred this century – the cruise missile has replaced the bayonet charge, and I for one welcome it. It has meant that I have lived my life, to date, without having to be ‘cannon fodder’ in some imperialistic or religious war. It is not for a some mythical ‘change in consciousness’ that deaths have been reduced given that the ‘friends’ of Jesus still battle it out with the ‘friends’ of Mohamed in the Middle East, the ‘friends’ of Krishna battle it out with the ‘friends’ of Nanak in India, etc. etc. The most telling issue is that any ‘peace’ or ‘truce’ in the world is still maintained at the point of the gun and at the present time in history we have ‘one big policeman’ for the world at large – with lots of guns, or missiles. Hence, we have a ‘relatively’ peaceful period in history at present. All this has done little or nothing to reduce the murders, rapes, terrorism, domestic violence, repression, depression, suicides, etc that are still endemic in the world, but it is a definite and decisive change – as you have noted. The thing I really like is that these same technological advances and marvels of communication, such as this very one we are now using, allows for the first time in history, a free and open conversation and discussion to happen about life, the universe and what it is to be a human being. Uncensored and unfettered, freewheeling and as instant as mouse click to send anywhere in the world. It is only now with this freedom and access to information that an actual freedom from the Ancient, Holy and Sacred is possible, and available, for those who wish to take it on. For those willing to do something about ridding themselves of the instinctual fear and aggression that is the cause of the continual ‘battles’ that the human species still wage with each other on this paradisiacal planet. RESPONDENT: ‘It is always helpful to have some additional facts when one is writing about the world as it is’ – as you so well pointed out. PETER: It is so very essential, as it is the only way to make sense of it all in this place, and this time, that we find ourselves living in. So, it’s a very good and balmy night from me...
PETER: Okay, try these words then – ‘There is, categorically, no such thing as actual life after death.’ RESPONDENT: Try consciousness after death. Perhaps it will make more sense to you. PETER: The belief in a life after death is the essence of all religions, be they the reasonably straight-forward theist (one-God) Western Religions, or the pantheism and deism of the East. The Western entity that resides in the body and survives physical death is usually referred to as the soul. In the East, with its complex beliefs including re-incarnation and transmigration, the entity which survives physical death has many names – Atman, Self, consciousness, Original Face, ‘bundle of memories’, spirit, essence, etc. We can quibble on what terms we use till the cows come home, but what is clear is that all religions, spirituality and mysticism are based on a belief in one’s personal life – in whatever form – continuing after physical death. There is a clear denial that physical death means extinction. And therein lies the seat of all problems for ‘I’ will do anything, and believe anything, to remain in existence. * PETER: Self-realisation or Enlightenment is a mere delusion (an illusion fabricated out of an illusion) whereby the psychic entity ‘feels’ it is Immortal and Eternal. Actual Freedom lies 180 degrees in the opposite direction to spiritual freedom. It is actual, sensate, tangible, ever-present, delightful, pure and perfect and available to any who is daring enough to free themselves of both the psychological and psychic entities within. RESPONDENT: Is your ‘ever-present’ anything like ‘Eternal’? PETER: No, I am only capable of experiencing this moment of being alive as a sensate, reflective flesh and blood human being. This moment is ever present. I, as this body, did not exist some 50 years ago before the sperm hit the egg, and when I die nothing can continue. My awareness of being alive – consciousness – will cease with this body. This is clearly indicated when I am asleep when consciousness ceases for the period of sleep. Death is the cessation of consciousness. I am mortal, not ‘Eternal’. It is the physical universe that is eternal and infinite, pure and perfect. * PETER: Who else is saying this – or has ever said this? RESPONDENT: ‘There is nothing new under the sun.’ PETER: Are you denying the technological and physical changes that have occurred this century in medicine, transport, science, communications, agriculture, etc. The very computer you sit at now is a marvellous new thing, an amazing machine linked to a communication network the likes of which would have astounded anyone a mere century ago. But, yes, I do agree with you that ‘there is nothing new under the sun’ in terms of humans becoming free of their instinctual behaviour patterns. We are still driven by fear and aggression, nurture and desire. The imposition of morals and ethics – backed up by strict laws, police and armies – generally keeps a lid on it all and the whole system runs remarkably well, apart from the various outbreaks of war, terrorism, murder, rapes, etc. Many humans, however, are moved, for whatever reasons, to seek a freedom from this ‘normal’ world of fear and aggression, and many seek a solution to the Human Condition such that the human species, as a whole, could live in peace on this planet. Unfortunately the search for freedom is based on the Ancient Wisdom of Gods, spirits, other-worlds, future lives, etc. It is based firmly on that mother of all beliefs that ‘you can’t change human nature’. Seeing that we can do nothing about the ‘real’ world the only thing available – up until now – has been to escape into an imaginary world, created and sustained by belief – a meta-physical world. There is now available a third alternative. The actual physical universe, being infinite – having no outside to it – and eternal – having no beginning or end – is pure and perfect. Most humans have experienced this purity and perfection at some stage in their life in what is called a PCE or pure consciousness experience. There seems also an innate sense of this purity and perfection, but it is normally inaccessible to us humans, as we are born with an instinctual separate sense of ‘self’ with its accompanying instincts and are further imbued with a social identity. This very ‘self’, the who I ‘think’ I am and the who I ‘feel’ I am keeps me forever separate and alien from this purity and perfection. The spiritual search is a vain attempt to seek ‘union’ with this purity and perfection by ‘feeling’ connected, feeling Goodness, God, Love or whatever – the best on offer to date. The major and ultimately disastrous flaw is that ‘when really cranked up’ these feelings lead to Union, Oneness, God-Realization, etc. and yet another Saviour or Guru is realized to form yet another Religion to cause yet more wars ... The mere pumping up of good feelings leads to narcissism in the extreme as the core of the problem, the instinctual passions, lies forever untouched. * PETER: I genuinely would be interested if you have heard this elsewhere as Richard, Vineeto and I have searched high and low through a lot of the voluminous ‘New-Age’ and all of the all-encompassing Ancient Wisdom. We have found no one who has challenged the Eastern spiritual and religious texts, let alone proposed that ... EVERYONE HAS GOT IT 180 DEGREES WRONG, EVERYONE. RESPONDENT: Have you read any writings of Yashua ben Yosef? PETER: No, and a web search revealed nothing. RESPONDENT: Consensual reality is merely that which the majority of humans agree to accept. There is much phenomena which occurs which is ignored because it does not fit in with ‘consensual reality.’ Have you read the ‘Final Secret to the Illuminati’ by Robert Anton Wilson? PETER: Well, there are certainly some way out psychic phenomena such as out-of-body experiences, Altered States of Consciousness, near-death experiences, UFO sightings, channelling, etc. but from my study of them there appears to be ‘nothing new under the sun’. The new ones that occur seem to be only variations on Ancient beliefs. People would see chariots or horse and buggies in the sky, whereas nowadays they see space-crafts. Talking to the spirits was later called ‘seances’ and the phenomena is now called channelling. In the New Age it seems to me that there is nothing that does not fit in with ‘consensual reality’, or if it is slightly different, more obscure or more Ancient, even better, as a ‘new’ fashion is a very marketable item. As for Robert Anton Wilson, I checked up on him on the net and found that he calls himself an ‘agnostic’ and then goes on to say ‘I don’t believe anything’. Given that an agnostic is one who believes that ‘the ultimate cause (God) and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable or that human knowledge is limited to experience’ methinks he is mightily confused. An agnostic essentially wants a bet each way – he sits straddling the fence neither committed to the metaphysical nor the physical. And what about this for a doom and gloom belief, from his introduction on his web-site –
Sort of ‘life should forever remain a mystery to be lived’, which translates as ‘seek but dare not find’ – unless you find God, of course, and then ‘thou shalt be truly blessed’ And what about this quote –
Or this one –
I think he is a prime candidate for the ‘sticky tape on the mouth’ test. What he writes of is just another version of ‘consensual reality’ – enshrined in the concepts of Eastern religion as – ‘the physical world is an illusion and the inner (imaginary) world is real’ So, it’s been good to dig a little deeper into life after death, it’s such a good subject to discuss.
PETER: I’ll give being brief a go. Given there are trillions and trillions of words espousing the tried and true, it’s a bit like tying my hands behind my back, but I’m for a challenge – RESPONDENT: Wow...over 1,000 words to convey information which is already known by most most intelligent, well-read individuals! You need not ‘talk down’ to those on this list, they are not ignorant or without intelligence. PETER: Funny, it was you who said – ‘It always is helpful to have additional facts when one is writing about the world as it is...’ For me, it was this sort of information that enabled me to see the facts of the situation and respond accordingly, use it to assess the sensibility of how I lived my life. I was certainly extremely ignorant of much before I went searching beyond the spiritual, and much that I found rocked me to my very core. As for talking down, I wonder why you feel talked down to. I thought as you were giving me ‘some additional facts’, I would tell you some additional facts as the basis of a discussion. Sort of – ‘this is what I have found out, what have you found out?’ This is how I determine the facts for myself. Reading, experience, direct observation, discussion, contemplation, listening etc. – all good fun – to me anyway. RESPONDENT: Malice and sorrow are absent from the world of this one. Freedom is what one experiences when living in Agapé, which occurs when one accepts unconditionally all that is. The human condition contains many experiences, none of which are better than any other; just different. PETER: Fair enough. Many people have gained a freedom from the world as it is, with all its violence, suffering, loneliness, despair, and depression. The cultivation of an ‘inner’ world of peace and tranquillity through meditative practices combined with a detached acceptance of the human condition can eventually lead to Altered States of Consciousness such as Agapé, Self-Realization, Awakened, Enlightenment etc. I, too, travelled this track to the point of having experiences of being Divine Love or Love Agapé, but I found myself increasingly isolated from the world as it is, and curiously removed from any intimacy with those around me. It was as though I saw and experienced everything through a veil of detachment. When the heartfelt experiences were full-on it was indeed glorious but... What nagged me was that I would end up an Enlightened guru and I didn’t like their lifestyles, I didn’t like how they were with their women, and I didn’t like the whole system of God-man and worshippers. It was a tough task to give up the spiritual world but I wanted an actual freedom that is applicable in the marketplace, available to all, perfect and pure, untainted by power and authority. Something that was down-to-earth, not ethereal or other-worldly, something that would deliver not only peace for me but offer the solution to the Human Condition of malice and sorrow for all others. Such that one day, albeit centuries away, an actual peace will eventuate on earth between all humans with no more warring tribes and religious factions. The amazing thing is that the actual world of perfection and purity, infinite, eternal and happening at this very moment is available to all – at this very moment. It is not an invention or a mental construct. To be here in the actual world, fully committed to living this moment, to be doing what is happening, is to be on the cutting edge – fully alive as a sensate, reflective, flesh and blood human being. Being here this way is to be here without a self, ego or soul, as there simply is no room for a ‘me’ in any form. There is, in fact, no difference between me doing something and it happening, so intimate and directly experienced is this very moment. What I am describing is not consensual reality, it is the actual, the physical. This is the world that the believers in God apparently regard as Evil or inhuman – hence the comments about ‘don’t feed the animals’. For me, I figured that neither the real world nor the spiritual world were sane places, and I went off chasing the actual world that I had experienced and evidenced in a pure consciousness experience (PCE) From a ‘real’ world point of view I have gone ‘mad’ and from the spiritual world point of view ‘I have sold my soul to the Devil’. I thoroughly recommend an escape from both these fantasies and illusions into the actual world of purity and perfection, innocence and delight. I am having the time of my life ... RESPONDENT: Your thousand words are returned to you. Perhaps they can be recycled. PETER: That’s the good thing about writing – the words are always available for anyone else, if they are interested in reading them. I think I blew it with being brief ... Oh well!
PETER: I wanted an actual freedom that is applicable in the marketplace, available to all, perfect and pure, untainted by power and authority. RESPONDENT: So, why does an enlightened being have to wallow in power and authority? PETER: Just a note to the questions you raised – The Enlightened Ones, having found God and Love, are compulsively driven to spread their message and to gather their disciples. It is intrinsic that if one discovers the Truth then one is impelled to teach it. Truth does not exist without the teachings. They are in effect teaching their versions of the Truth, but a Truth must be told, must be passed on, otherwise it withers. And the one who teaches the Truth has the power and authority, for people are hungry for the Truth with its promise of salvation, bliss and immortality. For those who reach Enlightenment the reward for having found the Truth is having others be grateful to you, love you and worship you. Having achieved the altered state of consciousness, whereby one is God, it is also a very lonely business and one needs love from others. It is all a Grand tradition in the East where the pinnacle of human achievement is to become an immortal God-man ... The Glamour, Glory and Glitz of Enlightenment is the ultimate power and authority. So it comes with the territory, so to speak. It gets a little watered and wimped down in the west with higher numbers and lower quality, but all ultimately are doing battle for customers and status. I have written about my feelings of power and authority and the battle to free myself from their seductive clutches, as has Vineeto. Richard, having been Enlightened for 11 years until he freed himself, is the expert in the field and he has written of it (from the inside) on his web-site. It makes fascinating reading. RESPONDENT: Can they not just live without malice and sorrow, with unconditional acceptance of everything, as a quiet light to those who are seeking a way out of the darkness they find themselves in? PETER: Well seemingly not, if history is any guide. I’ve heard a lot of theories about humble Enlightened Ones, the un-seen and un-heard of ones, but if no-one hears of them then they are a myth. As for the declared one’s – in becoming a saviour of others, a light on the path – they are obviously in the power and authority game. RESPONDENT: Can not more be done by example, by walking the talk rather than talking the talk? PETER: Precisely my point about the Enlightened Ones when I said ‘I didn’t like their lifestyles, I didn’t like how they were with their women and I didn’t like the whole God-man / disciple business. But when you really look at where Eastern spirituality, and dare I say Osho, was pointing to, it is that you would end up single, celibate and become God. That is ‘walking the talk’ in the East. If there are any women around, their role is as servants and worshipping carers. For me, I wanted to walk the talk here on earth, as this flesh and blood body, here, now. That’s a major reason why I wanted to live with a woman in peace, harmony and equity – the fire test. That is why I invite scrutiny on this list – the fire test. No Truth that cannot be spoken, no secrets, all open, simple, direct and obvious. I think sometimes people are looking for some hidden agenda, some weird cult or something, some trap. No, I mean what I am saying. I am simply a fellow human being, reporting on what it is like here in the actual world. And to get here I followed the well mapped out path to the new, non-spiritual, down-to-earth freedom – an actual freedom from the Human Condition. All my wishes have come true and much, much more. Life was meant to be easy, friendly, comfortable, peaceful, harmonious, ever-changing, fresh each moment, direct and obvious – and my senses allow my intimate involvement with each person I meet, each event happening, each place I am in. And I can think, reflect, talk and write about what sense I have made of living as a human being – happy and harmless ... Pure delight...
PETER: There is a clear denial that physical death means extinction. And therein lies the seat of all problems for ‘I’ will do anything, and believe anything, to remain in existence. RESPONDENT: Actually, on the death of the body, one realizes that the life one just finished with is only part of the whole and instead of losing the part they gain the whole. PETER: A second note. I do enjoy our posts. In western religions there was always a God to join in paradise, in Eastern Religions there is the Source, the Whole, the Essence, That or whatever other name. It is usually an impersonal God which is a useful thing as it allows the Enlightened Ones to fit into a brotherhood or Holy Club. The lineages, such as the Teerthankara lineage, the Buddhist lineage and the like, all allow other club members. His ranking in the psychic Hall of Fame then depends on the strength of the lineage, or, if he is bold enough to go it alone, his fame and power is directly dependant on the number of disciples he/she can gather. * PETER: My awareness of being alive – consciousness – will cease with this body. This is clearly indicated when I am asleep when consciousness ceases for the period of sleep. RESPONDENT: Consciousness does not cease with sleep for all humans. Some of us are lucid dreamers. PETER: It has been scientifically proven, verified by my own personal experience and observations of many others, that humans all have a period of sleep wherein consciousness ceases. Deep sleep – no conscious dreaming – no consciousness of being alive. * PETER: Are you denying the technological and physical changes that have occurred this century in medicine, transport, science, communications, agriculture, etc. The very computer you sit at now is a marvellous new thing, an amazing machine linked to a communication network the likes of which would have astounded anyone a mere century ago. RESPONDENT: Only on this planet. On other planets, with higher technological understanding, we are still quite primitive. PETER: In the interests of brevity and an attempt to keep our conversation on this planet and about us human beings – I’ll pass on that one. I wave the white flag in surrender. RESPONDENT: Have you read any writings of Yashua ben Yosef? PETER: No, and a web search revealed nothing. RESPONDENT: It just goes to show you the shortcomings of technology. In the world of mystics there is much known of this adept. PETER: Well, as you may have gathered, I am not a fan of mysticism but I’m not going to surrender so easily on this one. I’ll have a few guesses and you can let me know if I’m close – Is he:
Look, I guess you can tell I am out of my depth a bit here and floundering badly. I’ll hoist the white flag and we can call it 2-nil. RESPONDENT: Have you read the ‘Final Secret to the Illuminati’ by Robert Anton Wilson? <Snip> Your lengthy response on Mr. Wilson is like the blind man who touches the tail of an elephant and proclaims it is just like a rope. PETER: I guess you want to call it 3-nil, but for me that was more like the goose in the bottle, who, while watching the grass grow by itself, got distracted by the finger pointing to the moon. But I am on a ‘try to be brief’ promise, so I think I’ll say goodnight. It’s been fun, wiz-No 11, but it is becoming very clear that our interests are on different planets.
PETER: In response to your last ‘poker hand’. You do play the game with your cards close to your chest. * PETER: The Enlightened Ones, having found God and Love, are compulsively driven to spread their message and to gather their disciples. It is intrinsic that if one discovers the Truth then one is impelled to teach it. Truth does not exist without the teachings. RESPONDENT: Is this true of all Enlightened Ones? PETER: There are over 6.000 religions on the planet and nearly as many sub-groups all started by Enlightened Ones or Realised Ones. You can give me all the theories you want but this is the direct result of their teachings, ministries, prophesies, messages or communes. The factual evidence of the urge to spread the message. RESPONDENT: Does not enlightenment purge compulsion? PETER: There is no evidence of it, quite the contrary. All claim a Divine message, a Unity with God, and a desire to share their overflowing. If you are interested you could read Richard’s ‘A brief personal history’ for the inside story of Enlightenment. I take it from your willingness to even talk of these matters that you are not fully Enlightened but only Realised – so you may be curious about another option. RESPONDENT: The mystical experience is universally identified as being something beyond sharing, so why would such a one engage in the futility of trying to teach what they learned from the experience? PETER: I take it you are talking about sharing in the form of – spoken about sensibly with words that make sense then it is an obvious futility. The sharing that is usually practiced is in ‘being in the presence of’, sharing ‘energy’, as in an Ashram, Sangha, temple or the more widely practiced humble ‘sitting’. * PETER: ... a Truth must be told, must be passed on, otherwise it withers. RESPONDENT: And when the truth is beyond words ... then the telling is less than the truth, is it not? PETER: I think you missed the point here. History is littered with teachings of Gurus and Masters whose profound Truth and Divine message has withered on the vine for want of re-telling or being ‘kept alive’ by followers and disciples. I recently saw a TV. program on the last of the Shakers in America who are down to seven people after numbering in the tens of thousands only last century. No-one worships the Greek or Roman Gods any more. Zeus worship is not at all big, even in this New Dark Age, although the female Gods have recently had a fashionable comeback. The point is, One needs One’s followers in order to keep the message ‘alive’, or the Truth withers – it is after all but a fairy tale given validity and realness only by the re-telling. When I was a kid I was told there was a Santa Claus who came in the middle of the night and left presents. I would try and stay awake so I could see him sneaking in. It was only after someone told me he didn’t exist that I realised he had never existed. He was just a myth, a tale re-told over the centuries – but I believed he was real at the time. * PETER: For those who reach Enlightenment the reward for having found the Truth is having others be grateful to you, love you and worship you. Having achieved the altered state of consciousness, whereby one is God, it is also a very lonely business and one needs love from others. RESPONDENT: Is not Enlightenment the realization that there is only Agapé (unconditional love) and this is not only all about you, but is within you as well? PETER: Aye indeed. In my full-blown delusion I was Love and Love was me. The feeling was Grand, ‘I’ had realised Love at last ... I find it curios that you have changed your position a bit on your definitions here. You started off writing to me with the statement – RESPONDENT: After one has the PCE the ‘I’ is lost and only the here and now is experienced. PETER: Now all of a sudden there is ‘Agapé that is all about you and within you as well’. There is a ‘you’ who feels Agapé and as such what you are describing is an Altered State of Consciousness (ASC) – typified in the spiritual world by the delusion of divine grandeur. RESPONDENT: One realizes they are the source of all the love in the Universe, they are part of the whole and never experience loneliness and a ‘need’ for others or for love; they already have it all; the idea of separation is no more. PETER: The ‘feeling’ of separation is no more – except one is separate from those who have not found the Truth yet. They become mere ‘sentient beings’ for they have not yet discovered the Truth – or have ‘yet to realize that they are God’. And, of course, since it is all only a feeling inside one’s head there is no such thing as a generally-agreed Truth, each have their own slightly different version or flavour. This means that the Enlightened One’s lead a solitary life, ‘above’ their own disciples and fighting and competing with each other for a share of the disciple market. There is no universally agreed upon Truth or even a semblance of one. Hence we have over 6,000 religions and the competition and fighting between them is ‘realized’ as the horrendous wars, persecutions, tortures, suspicions and fears that plague Humanity. It’s a very lonely business being God, and to think otherwise is to be gullible in the extreme. * PETER: Life was meant to be easy, friendly, comfortable, peaceful, harmonious, ever-changing, fresh each moment, direct and obvious – RESPONDENT: And so it is. PETER: Ah yes, but you are speaking ‘as a quiet light to those who
are seeking a way out of the darkness they find themselves in’. I have lived in, scoured around and investigated both the world of ‘darkness’ and the world of ‘light’ and have found both to be illusions. There is no ‘darkness’ when sorrow and malice are eliminated and then the spiritual world of ‘light’ is clearly seen for the delusion it is – a well-meaning attempt to escape the ‘feeling of darkness’ with the ‘feeling of light’. So, it’s time to gaily abandon the ancient fairy stories. Now we humans can ‘go for the jugular’ – eliminate malice and sorrow and then one discovers the actual world, the physical universe, infinite and eternal, happening this very moment.
PETER: We have found no one who has challenged the Eastern spiritual and religious texts, let alone proposed that ... EVERYONE HAS GOT IT 180 DEGREES WRONG, EVERYONE. RESPONDENT: Have you read any writings of Yashua ben Yosef? PETER: No, and a web search revealed nothing. RESPONDENT: It just goes to show you the shortcomings of technology. In the world of mystics there is much known of this adept. PETER: Well, as you may have gathered, I am not a fan of mysticism but I’m not going to surrender so easily on this one. I’ll have a few guesses and you can let me know if I’m close – <Snip>
RESPONDENT: Yes. Although that particular name was unknown to him during his lifetime. He claimed a name with the same meaning as the Latin word, Lucifer. Mr. Crowley was familiar with his real identity. Much of what the world supposedly ‘knows’ about this adept is made up by his disciples to fit their own expectations. PETER: Let me keep guessing ... then.
– and we can waffle on endlessly like this about ‘that which cannot be spoken of’. You must be a good poker player, you keep your cards close to your chest and you keep trumping me with those same old psittacisms. I don’t see it as trumping but more like a refusal to even begin to consider that we might even start to talk sensibly about life, the universe and what it is to be a human being. Could it be that you are not concerned with life here on earth – hence your reference? RESPONDENT: On other planets, with higher technological understanding, we are still quite primitive. PETER: I would ask ‘on other planets’ do they still believe in good and evil spirits or are they still as primitive as we are? I know, you will answer – ’the other planets’ are where the ‘Illuminati of Masters’ hold their meetings to discuss how we poor suffering humans are getting on and who has joined the Chosen Ones to book a seat on the flight out from hell to heaven! I remember as a kid the Biggest Secret was the one where you just pretended that you had a secret – then nobody could disprove you. It went ‘I’ve got a secret and I’m not telling you about it ...’ But, of course everyone knows about it. It’s called the Truth which translates into I ‘Know’ and have Realized that there is God and an after-life’. Humans have been, and still are, inventing fanciful adaptions of the Ancient myths ad nauseam – all in order to claim a bit of the fairy tale as their own particular Wisdom or Truth. With some, this adapting is done in order to attain some position of power or authority in the psychic world. Others are more prosaic in that they just want to make a living out of healing, curing or saving others from evil spirits or the like. As you said ‘There is nothing new under the sun’, and this is obviously so in the spiritual world, and your reference to Yashua (Jesus Christ) is but another proof of this. As I used to sing while strolling through the Ashram – ‘Give me that old-time Religion, give me that old time Religion ... it’s good enough for me ... ‘ But if one ceases to believe in the existence of a soul, then one’s connection to the psychic world of good and evil spirits eventually withers and dies, leaving one free to delight in the purity and perfection of the actual world. Then the good and evil spirits are seen for the delusion they are – a mere illusion imposed over the already illusionary world of sorrow and malice. One is then twice removed from the actual world. One has given full reign to the imaginary alien entity within and imagination, psychic powers and psychic phenomena are free to roam at will and whim. To experience the actual, free of both the illusion and delusion, one needs only to rid oneself of the source that generates these worlds within you – the alien self consisting of both ego and soul. As I said – Everyone has got it 180 degrees wrong.
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