RESPONDENT: Just thought I’d pass on a thought that’s been bugging me lately. It runs roughly as follows: ‘If Peter and Vineeto are setting up things so that ‘me’ as the instinctual passions is under the impression that ‘I’ am not really needed, isn’t part of that, breaking any physical ties with a partner, otherwise won’t the instinctual me still have something to hang on to?’

I understand you’ve probably already thought of this.

VINEETO: I’m not setting things up so that ‘I’ am under the impression that ‘I’ am not really needed – in a PCE it is undeniably clear that not only am ‘I’ not needed, ‘I’ also stuff things up big time.

If I wanted to set things up in order to avoid all temptation for the instinctual passions to arise or that could give ‘me’ ‘something to hang on to’, I would have to live in a cave or on an uninhabited island, cease any each and all activity that would give rise to instinctual passions and avert my eyes from anything that could give rise to instinctual passions – a senseless and utterly futile enterprise.

It is much simpler than that – whenever instinctual passions arise as I live in the world as it is with people as they are I apply the actualism method that has been described in 150 places on The Actual Freedom Trust website.

2.10.2007

RESPONDENT: Just thought I’d pass on a thought that’s been bugging me lately. It runs roughly as follows: ‘If Peter and Vineeto are setting up things so that ‘me’ as the instinctual passions is under the impression that ‘I’ am not really needed, isn’t part of that, breaking any physical ties with a partner, otherwise won’t the instinctual me still have something to hang on to?’

I understand you’ve probably already thought of this.

VINEETO: I’m not setting things up so that ‘I’ am under the impression that ‘I’ am not really needed ...

RESPONDENT: Funny, because I recall on your AF video, part of the discussion was about setting up things so that ‘you were under the impression that ‘your’ presence was no longer needed.

VINEETO: When you get around to reviewing the video of my conversation with Richard you can see for yourself that nowhere in it there is any discussion about me ‘setting up things so that ‘me’ as the instinctual passions is under the impression that ‘I’ am not really needed’.

What is being discussed is me setting up my situation and circumstances (my living arrangements and my lifestyle for instance) in such a way that it could be considered reasonably safe to get out from control and to let go of the controls.

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VINEETO: If I wanted to set things up in order to avoid all temptation for the instinctual passions to arise or that could give ‘me’ ‘something to hang on to’, I would have to live in a cave or on an uninhabited island, cease any each and all activity that would give rise to instinctual passions and avert my eyes from anything that could give rise to instinctual passions – a senseless and utterly futile enterprise.

RESPONDENT: Indeed, but I was not at all talking about avoidance.

VINEETO: If ‘breaking any physical ties with a partner’ so that ‘the instinctual me [won’t] still have something to hang on to’ isn’t avoidance, what is it then?

RESPONDENT: If going to an island could help to expose ‘me’ then I’m all for it.

VINEETO: It was my experience that living with a partner with the determination to do whatever it takes to live together in peace and harmony exposed ‘me’ like nothing else did before.

RESPONDENT: In particular, any conditions which can give more glimpses of the workings of a primitive ‘me’ are a bonus, with the exception that an overly stimulated instinctive self may hinder the cognitive function.

VINEETO: Why would you want to exempt a living situation that could give rise to ‘overly stimulated instinctive self’? Isn’t that just the situation when the instinctual self is most clearly exposed and visible and can therefore, after getting back to feeling good, be examined, understood, experienced as really silly and consequently let go of?

By the way, the Actualism method is not about undermining the passions, as Richard keeps emphasizing. Becoming free from the instinctual passions is not merely emphasizing on the cognitive function and freedom from one’s passions certainly does not happen by avoiding those situations that excite the instinctual passions the most.

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VINEETO: It is much simpler than that – whenever instinctual passions arise as I live in the world as it is with people as they are I apply the actualism method that has been described in 150 places on The Actual Freedom Trust website.

RESPONDENT: As the method you speak of consists of HAIETMOBA (which lead Richard to enlightenment) plus the add-on of harmlessness which amounts to the apple before the cart, then no wonder a speedy ‘self immolation’ is nowhere in sight.

That is not to say that your endeavours/ discoveries are not appreciated.

VINEETO: When I mentioned to Richard your reply to my post and your belief of what the actualism is and does, here is what he had to say –

Richard: In regards to the misapprehension that what has nowadays become known as the actualism method led Richard to spiritual enlightenment/ mystical awakenment: I am on record as stating that it was a specific impactive event several months into 1981 which derailed the actualism process ... to wit:

• [Richard to ‘No 60’]: ‘(...) Then an event occurred of such impact as to be the turning-point, in regards no longer going directly to what numerous PCE’s evidenced (namely that what is now known as an actual freedom from the human condition was possible here on earth, in this lifetime, as this flesh and blood body) (...)

That impactive event took place whilst keenly watching the sunrise casting its brilliant rays earthward, one otherwise-experienced-as-perfect morning in mid-autumn, upon seeing an ornamental bush thus lit, in the garden alongside the ex-farmhouse, luminously aglow, fiercely afire from within as it were, wherefrom it was revealed to ‘Me’ that there was to be a death and a rebirth and, consequently, a catatonic state ensued that resulted in ‘Me’ being carted off to hospital, and kept under intensive care for four hours, until coming out of it in a state of Radiant Bliss (which quite overwhelmed the duty-nurse by the way). ‘He’ was never to be the same again, as Divinity had been working on ‘him’ whilst catatonic, and from that date forward ‘he’ was permanently in a state of human bliss and love (...)’. Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust Mailing List, No. 60f, 29 Sep 2005

Moreover, I make it crystal-clear further on that it was the actualism method which got me out of spiritual enlightenment/ mystical awakenment (with point No. 3 being particularly outstanding):

• [Richard to ‘No 60’]: ‘Just so that there is no misunderstanding: what really worked, when the identity was that ‘Altered State Of Being’, was

(1) a continuation of the totally dedicated and/or devoted pure intent to evince what the PCE’s evidenced ... and

(2) a furtherance of the irreversible momentum, or inevitability, already set in place on day one as the process is, essentially, that of escaping from one’s fate and attaining to one’s destiny ... and

(3) a prolongation of the attentiveness as to how the only moment of being alive was experienced ... and

(4) an utter lack of dignity in being so far up oneself (narcissistic) as to render the term ‘egotistical’ a mere bagatelle in comparison ... and

(5) a sense of humour which, if nothing else, made possible (6) a delightful resurgence of the earlier felicity/ innocuity which again brought about, in combination with sensuousness, an outstandingly ingenuous sense of amazement, marvel and wonder.

And it was that last-named – the wide-eyed wonder of naiveté – which resulted in apperceptiveness (unmediated perception)’. Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust Mailing List, No. 60f, 29 Sep 2005

In regards to the misrepresentation that harmlessness is an add-on to the actualism method: I have explicitly stated that both happiness (aka felicity) and harmlessness (aka innocuity) are integral to actualism ... for instance:

• [Richard to ‘No 60’]: ‘The actualism method is not about undermining the passions ... on the contrary, it is about directing all of that affective energy into being the felicitous/ innocuous feelings (that is, ‘me’ at the core of ‘my’ being, which is ‘being’ itself) in order to effect a deliberate imitation of the actual, as evidenced in a PCE, so as to feel as happy and as harmless (as free of malice and sorrow) as is humanly possibly whilst remaining a ‘self’.

Such imitative felicity/ innocuity, in conjunction with sensuosity, readily evokes amazement, marvel, and delight – a state of wide-eyed wonder best expressed by the word naiveté (the nearest a ‘self’ can come to innocence whilst being a ‘self’) – and which allows the overarching benignity and benevolence inherent to the infinitude, which this infinite and eternal and perpetual universe actually is, to operate more and more freely. This intrinsic benignity and benevolence, which has nothing to do with the imitative affective happiness and harmlessness, will do the rest.

All that was required was ‘my’ cheerful, and thus willing, concurrence’. Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust Mailing List, No. 60f, 29 Sep 2005

And here is another example:

• [Richard to No 118(R)]: ‘Perhaps the following summary of the way the actualism method works in practice may be of assistance:

1. Activate sincerity so as to make possible a pure intent to bring about peace and harmony sooner rather than later.

2. Set the standard of experiencing, each moment again, as feeling felicitous/ innocuous to whatever degree humanly possible come-what-may.

3. Where felicity/ innocuity is not occurring find out why not.

4. Seeing the silliness at having those felicitous/ innocuous feelings be usurped, by either the negative or positive feelings, for whatever reason that might be automatically restores felicity/ innocuity.

5. Repeated occurrences of the same reason for felicity/ innocuity loss alerts pre-recognition of impending dissipation which enables pre-emption and ensures a more persistent felicity/ innocuity through habituation.

6. Habitual felicity/ innocuity, and its concomitant enjoyment and appreciation, facilitates naďve sensuosity ... a consistent state of wide-eyed wonder, amazement, marvel, and delight.

7. That naiveté, in conjunction with felicitous/ innocuous sensuosity, being the nearest a ‘self’ can come to innocence, allows the overarching benignity and benevolence inherent to the infinitude this infinite and eternal and perpetual universe actually is to operate more and more freely.

8. With this intrinsic benignity and benevolence, which has nothing to do with ‘me’ and ‘my’ doings, freely operating one is the experiencing of what is happening ... and the magical fairy-tale-like paradise, which this verdant and azure earth actually is, is sweetly apparent in all its scintillating brilliance.

9. But refrain from possessing it and making it your own ... or else ‘twill vanish as softly as it appeared’. Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust Mailing List, No. 118, 16 Jun 2006

Richard re Respondent’s comments, 27.9.2007

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VINEETO: It is much simpler than that – whenever instinctual passions arise as I live in the world as it is with people as they are then I apply the actualism method that has been described in 150 places on The Actual Freedom Trust website.

RESPONDENT: As the method you speak of consists of HAIETMOBA (which lead Richard to enlightenment) plus the add-on of harmlessness which amounts to the apple before the cart, then no wonder a speedy ‘self immolation’ is nowhere in sight.

That is not to say that your endeavours/ discoveries are not appreciated.

VINEETO: In regards to your patronising backhander, that the above misapprehension and misrepresentation about why a speedy ‘self immolation’ is nowhere in sight is not to say that my endeavours/ discoveries are not appreciated, you had also had the following to say:

• [Respondent to No 66]: ‘(...) R, P & V don’t have the full picture about what actually constitutes a working method for Actual Freedom’. (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/actualfreedom/message/477).

Obviously, with such entrenched nonsense driving the discussion, any further communication is just a waste of time and bandwidth.