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Vineeto’s Correspondence on the Actual Freedom List Correspondent No 62
VINEETO to No 23: He [Richard] writes from outside of the human condition because he is free of it whereas I cannot 100% rely on the accuracy of my understanding because I am not yet totally free of it. RESPONDENT: Bullshit! You can’t be free of it, because you ARE it! VINEETO: In the nine months or so that you have been subscribed to this mailing list it has apparently passed you by that what we are talking about here is an alternative to the ‘You Are It’ freedom peddled by spiritualists. Before you make more statements like the above you might want to inform yourself more about the topic under discussion here, namely a freedom from malice and sorrow via ‘self-immolation, which is the ending of both ego and soul. In other words, you can become free from the ‘you ARE it’ belief – a belief, which demonstrably does nothing at all to bring an end to human malice of sorrow. RESPONDENT: Gimme a break! :-) VINEETO: In what way could I ever prevent you from having a break? RESPONDENT: Not to mention, boooooring! VINEETO: I wasn’t aware that Self-realized people RESPONDENT: Next! A little advice for you Vineeto – get a life! VINEETO: Let me describe to you how I experience every-day life – Apart from very rare emotional wobbles I spend my days in perfect peace and harmony with everything and everyone around me. When I wake up in the morning I know that I am going to have a perfect day and when I go to bed at night-time I do so knowing that I have had a perfect day. I am not bothered by petty worries, jealousies, competition, arrogance, grumpiness, impatience, frustration, annoyance, anger, malice or irritation, nor do I get sad, miserable, gloomy, heart-broken, bored, tired, uneasy, embarrassed, disgusted, anxious or depressed. I very rarely come across an emotion in me, and when that happens I simply investigate into the root cause of the emotion and then immediately get on with enjoying life. In other words, cleaning up my grotty ‘self’ does actually work in everyday life in the world-as-it-is with people-as-they-are. Each day is a fresh day, I don’t know what surprises it will bring, but I know that I will enjoy it, for the grumpy, soppy, fearful ‘me’ that used to interfere with my enjoyment is greatly diminished. Every day is holiday-like regardless of whether I am going to work or whether I am staying at home because each moment I enjoy doing what is happening. Sometimes I work 5 days a week, sometimes only two or three, sometimes I spend all day updating the website and sometimes I work for hours in the garden. Writing on this mailing list is also one of my favourite hobbies – because actualism works so well for me I am pleased to let other in on the secret in case they are interested. I am living in peace with the people I work for, I have no grudges against the system or the country I live in, the neighbours, other drivers, the community, the government or whomever else I used to begrudge or complain about. I am able to see and meet people as they actually are without the need to categorize them in moral and ethical terms. By using a combination of attentiveness and intent I have incrementally dissolved my emotional affiliations – both alliances and animosities – with people and am therefore able to meet and treat people as fellow human beings. Now with no identity to defend, I relate to people as they are, respond to what they are actually saying instead of feeling, intuiting, assuming or imagining what they might mean and thus interactions with people have become an intimate, refreshing, utterly simple and enjoyable affair. For five years now I live with my companion in utter peace and harmony night and day without bicker or quarrel, crisis or boredom without disagreement or compromise, nagging or sulking, role-play or restriction. Because I dared to examine and abandon my female conditioning I am now able to live in peace and harmony, ease and equity with another human being 24 hrs a day. Because I investigated and abandoned the ever-promising but never-delivering dream of love, an actual intimacy and a genuine benevolence are happening of their own accord. Peter is my best mate, a companion with whom I share the delights of everyday living, such as shopping, cooking, watching TV, having a cup of freshly brewed coffee, walking on the beach, playing in the garden, going down-town, comparing notes, working or playing on our computers, chatting about whatever seems worth sharing or simply being quiet while each goes about their business. With the instinctual sex drive all but gone I can now enjoy sex for the sensate and sensuous delight it is – and what a pleasure to have a willing playmate for scrumptious hours of sensual fun. It took a few months of committed investigation into my sexual morals and ethics and their accompanying feelings of guilt and fear, and now I can enjoy the actual physical happening of sex rather than the fantasies of always-unfulfilled hopes and dreams. Because I dared to eliminate my conditioning, my sexual instinct withered away and I can now abandon myself completely to the sensual experience of two bodies having fun. The resulting intimacy in our sexual play is each time again utterly astounding and lusciously delicious. An on top of all this enjoyment of each moment of being alive there is the utter confidence that I am moving every day closer to the moment of ‘my’ final extinction. When you said ‘get a life!’ – what sort of a life did you have in mind for me?
VINEETO to No 23: He [Richard] writes from outside of the human condition because he is free of it whereas I cannot 100% rely on the accuracy of my understanding because I am not yet totally free of it. RESPONDENT: Bullshit! You can’t be free of it, because you ARE it! VINEETO: In the nine months or so that you have been subscribed to this mailing list it has apparently passed you by that what we are talking about here is an alternative to the ‘You Are It’ freedom peddled by spiritualists. Before you make more statements like the above you might want to inform yourself more about the topic under discussion here, namely a freedom from malice and sorrow via ‘self-immolation, which is the ending of both ego and soul. In other words, you can become free from the ‘you ARE it’ belief – a belief, which demonstrably does nothing at all to bring an end to human malice of sorrow. RESPONDENT: A ‘belief’ is it? Look again! VINEETO: When I said ‘I am not yet totally free of it’ I was talking about
the human condition, to which you responded ‘You can’t be free of it, because you ARE it’.
It is a widespread belief, an inviolable conviction, that ‘you can’t change human nature’ but now there has been
demonstrated that an actual freedom from the human condition is possible – evidenced by Richard being actually free from the
instinctual survival passions for more than a decade ( The second reason why I said it was a belief is because Eastern mysticism teaches that
freedom is found when you realize ‘You are It’, aka ‘Self’-realization, and that there is nothing to become free of
because the ‘self’ is an illusion – a teaching which you yourself promote on your website. (see
link below). The state in which you feel ‘You are It’, however, is merely the flipside
of the coin, from being one’s normal ‘self’ to being one’s aggrandized ‘Self’ and I know because I have been there
myself ( * RESPONDENT: Gimme a break! :-) VINEETO: In what way could I ever prevent you from having a break? RESPONDENT: Not to mention, boooooring! VINEETO: I wasn’t aware that Self-realized people RESPONDENT: Next! A little advice for you Vineeto – get a life! VINEETO: Let me describe to you how I experience every-day life – <snipped> An on top of all this enjoyment of each moment of being alive there is the utter confidence that I am moving every day closer to the moment of ‘my’ final extinction. When you said ‘get a life!’ – what sort of a life did you have in mind for me? RESPONDENT: [A ‘belief’ is it? Look again!] Oh, silly me, I forgot, you have your head up your ass, how could you see it? VINEETO: Apart from calling me names, you didn’t answer my question – what sort of a life did you have in mind for me? RESPONDENT: You are obviously a extremely wounded character, run, do not walk to your nearest psychiatrist! I have been busy living my life, the one you told me I should get.
VINEETO to No 66: (…) There were many more of society’s beliefs, morals and ethics that I encountered on the way to becoming virtually free but these might convey the tricks ‘I’ am up to in order to stay strong and on stage. RESPONDENT No 66: They were instructive. VINEETO: One thing I found useful to keep in mind – when things looked difficult and complicated and I felt I could not find my way out of the maze of my emotions and beliefs it was usually the thing that I least wanted to do or have happen that lead to the exit of the maze. In other words, ‘I’ had set the parameters and thus made the situation apparently complicated and seemingly insoluble by desperately wanting to hang onto one particular aspect of ‘me’. RESPONDENT: Vineeto wrote: <<snipped for sake of decency>> You are willing to take limitless blame, so long as you can keep getting a little credit. ugly, ugly, ugly! VINEETO: To save you from giving out more of what you label as ‘tough love’ I have zilch, zero, nil, none at all, null, nought, absolutely none, none whatsoever interest in becoming self-realized, enlightened or become the freedom you claim to be. I have had enough experience of it myself and have seen it in action in a multitude of teachers and gurus, not to mention your own haughty self, to have even the slightest doubt about that. Given that this is not ‘The End of the Rope Ranch’ but the Actual Freedom mailing list, has it not occurred to you that this may well also be the case for other correspondents on this list? And to spell it out again – for No 60’s sake, because I am sure that you have well
grasped the fact that an actual freedom is freedom from the instinctual passions, the same passions that you find so ‘luxurious’ Your so-called freedom
RESPONDENT: And with that, my work here is done. ‘This is a list for ‘adults’, those that have been around the block one TOO many times and now find they must take responsibility and deeply look into the ‘not-pretty’ truth of ‘who’ and ‘what’ they are; to repent of themselves, their ignorant ‘power-scheme’, their ‘lovelessness’, that not only IS their suffering, but their very self identity.’ <snipped rest of promotion quote> VINEETO: You’re a bit mixed up No 62, this is not your End of the Rope list, this is the actual freedom mailing list and you never had any work to do here anyway. Here is the welcome message for this list – ‘Welcome to The Actual Freedom Mailing List. This is a forum for discussion about an end to malice and sorrow forever and an actual freedom for all peoples. It is most beneficial that you have joined for the sincerity of your participation will increase the opportunity for an on-going investigation, for both yourself and anyone else who is genuinely concerned about becoming free of the Human Condition, and thus effecting peace-on-earth in this life-time. Those who are discussing these matters have before them a vital opportunity to partake in the precipitation of humankind’s long-awaited emergence from animosity and anguish into benignity and benevolence. We fellow human beings writing here today are actively engaged in ensuring that the current ‘Savage Ages’ will eventually become a thing of the dreadful past ... so that they will pass into the waste-bin of history like the ‘Dark Ages’ have. It is not a little thing we are doing.’ Vineeto’s & Richard’s Text ©The Actual Freedom Trust: 1997-. All Rights Reserved.
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