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Vineeto’s Correspondence on Mailing List C Correspondent No. 18
VINEETO: Hi, Your poem has inspired me to respond to a few of your statements. I assume that you not only use the words as poetic terms, but convey through your poetry actual emotions and convictions...
In my experience there are two ways to deal with fear, once I have identified the emotion as fear: pretending that it was only a short glimpse of an understanding about the manifestations of fear, but of no significance to or impact on my life, except for the beauty of the words that expressed the fear... Or, I acknowledge that I have this fear, these masks – just like everyone else – and I am ready to do something about it, because I don’t want to continue my life in fear and hiding. About a year ago I choose to take the second option and was very successful in eliminating most of the human fears I was born with and grew up by. It is possible, despite what everybody else has been trying to say. We can change our destiny!
Well, I would say, from my experience and from common sense, that love is not going to be liberating. It only makes one more dependant of others and confused as to what you are or want to do. You yourself state this:
The cunningness of showing masks to others in order to be loved was exactly the prison that I have felt myself throughout my life and that have tried to become free of. When I acknowledged that nobody can redeem me but myself, it all became much easier. I actually got off my bum and cleaned myself up from everything that I did not like about myself: anger, jealousy, need, greed, fear, malice, bitching and depression, by asking myself over and over this very simple question: ‘How am I experiencing this moment of being alive?’ Whenever I was not happy, I had something to look at, and I would trace its roots, its underlying beliefs and so cherished emotions and identities. This way my self became thinner and thinner and I became more and more happy and harmless, eliminating sorrow and malice.
I don’t find it attractive any more to be dependant on somebody who has to ‘really’ understand me. One is then completely in their power, dances to their flute, resents the dependency and usually ends up in trouble again and again. Isn’t to be free of all this the greater – and more realistic – goal? To be free and enjoy the company of another in complete freedom, what delight!
This hope you talk about, this ‘only hope’ is at the same time the trap in which one finds oneself imprisoned, hiding and opening like an oyster, as the whim takes one. Once I stopped believing that love is the only way out, I could see that it has not worked for the thousands of years that humans have lived on earth – there has never been eternal love, never been peace on earth, never been harmony between man and woman, let alone equity. By questioning and eliminating love I have experienced an intimacy with another human being, so delicious, so free, so magical that it leaves any love previously experienced far far behind.
RESPONDENT: Thank you for your response on the list. The poem ‘Masks’ I sent to the list was written by another person. I read it and sent it because it was appropriate at the time. I would not have written that poem, even though there were some sentences in the poem that applied to me as well as to someone else. It was an action that happened at the spur of the moment. Your explanation brings a lot of truth about the condition that occurs in relationships though. Most of our actions and reactions are motivated by an intrinsic fear. We have deep fears of survival, of earning enough money and of being able to support ourselves. We have fears of being sexually dysfunctional, inadequate or impotent. We have deep fears of being unloved, fears of being rejected and unwanted. We have fears of being disrespected, abused, ignored, put down, fears of confronting someone, fears of knowing who we really are. We have fears of not being able to express ourselves, of being insignificant. At a deeper level, there is always a fear of emptiness and death, which probably underlies all other fears. VINEETO: Yes, I agree with you on your explicit list of fears. Looking back in my life those fears have been the reason why I rejected life in normal society and went to the East to find the solution, a way out of those torturing fear and its ensuing depression – in my case. RESPONDENT: We are all ‘wounded children’ who react to different situations based on our own early life trauma. The fears of pressure and expectation, of rejection and abandonment, of being ignored or misunderstood as children. VINEETO: What you say does not really explain everything as to where these fears come from. Psychologist and psychoanalysts have not completely understood the fact that human beings are born with instincts, the same instincts that animals are equipped with to secure survival in the wild. Many psychs believe that children are born as ‘Tabula Rasa’, an empty sheet of paper to be written on by society. But if you watch babies and small children, they are not innocent at all. They have greed and malice already in them, erupting at different occasions – displaying our animal heritage. These survival instincts consist basically of fear, aggression, nurture and desire. Christians call them original sin, the East sees it as ‘karma’. These instinctual passions are being formed, conditioned, interpreted and channelled according to different societies through the usual conditioning of childhood and adolescence. The self is being formed. Up to now everybody has believed that we cannot get rid of our instincts, that they are ‘hardware’. The only solution on offer has been to transcend one’s body-mind and emerge into an ethereal state of love, bliss and maybe enlightenment. Richard discovered that we can actually eliminate our instincts, not only transcend them. The difference is that neither body nor the intelligent part of the brain have to be discarded or transcended, but we simply clean ourselves from our software – the animal instincts and the sense of self. It is now possible to live in the world, with all the pleasures the senses can provide, but without fear, aggression, nurture and desire. The method is to question not only what we call ego, but also our emotions, beliefs and instinctual reactions, trace them down to their roots and understand their workings. The tricky bit is that we are so used to seeing everything through the eyes and context of the self, this separate entity inside the body. That’s where the peak-experience becomes important. Since it is a completely new and radically different approach and 180 degrees opposite spiritual beliefs, I give you Richard’s definition of a peak-experience:
Relying on the confidence of the peak-experience it is possible to start and question one’s beliefs and determine the facts, distinguish silly and sensible and and dig into one’s conditioning. RESPONDENT: Instead of staying with the fear, when it comes up, we run away from it and do not allow ourselves to go through it and understand it. This is where compensation comes in. The idea that if we felt anything other than fear in terms of being with friends who like us, or being in the wrong relationship just because the other person worships us, we blanket our fears with a bandaid, until the ‘hurt’ goes away. VINEETO: Well observed. RESPONDENT: I think that in order to confront our fears, we have to validate them. We have to recognize that they are there and look for where they come from. As children, we were not taught to be in touch with our fear, so how can we, as adults, be aware of our fears if we are not even in touch with them? We cover them with protection, denial and unconsciousness, hiding our vulnerability with a ‘mask’ as it is one way that we need to protect ourselves. One way or another we manage, pretending that everything is okay. We have learned how to cope. We remain hypnotized by our ‘coping trance’, not realizing how much fear we are covering inside. That is the point of the poem ‘Masks’. That which comes from a person who exposes this fear by admitting that he wears many masks. It is something that strikes a cord with me and I assume with a lot of people. VINEETO: Yes, I understand what you want to point out. The problem is that none of the ‘tried and true’ methods to deal with fear has had any valuable solution applicable for everyone. Love, which is sought to be the solution has failed to bring peace to the world, since at least 2500 years of teachings of love and compassion. That’s why I was moved to consider Richard’s outrageous statement that love itself is part of the problem. Investigating into myself and together with Peter I have found it factual. Love creates a cover on top of fear or aggression, it does not eliminate fear or aggression. I am not merely repeating what I have heard, this is my very experience. I have had experiences of ‘Divine Love’, of days being filled with overwhelming and sweet love and I could have started a guru-ship then and there. I do have genuine experience of the delusion it is. On the other hand, uncovering and eliminating fear and aggression leaves me in an exquisite delicious purity, where I can be intimate with everyone I meet, actually and physically here, fully in my senses and delighting to use my intelligence as much as experiencing the pleasures of the senses. This actual world does not need to be proved, it exists in its own right. It only has to be discovered by removing veil after veil of emotions, instincts, fears and beliefs. I know, it is a radical discovery, as radical as Galileo’s discovery of the earth not being the centre of the solar system. There are more people objecting to it than I have hair on my head. What gives me the courage to stand alone against myriad objections is the experience of this actual world during long and repeatedly happening peak-experiences. Beliefs can be shattered, facts stay facts, no matter how many people disagree to those facts. And furthermore, it is so utterly fulfilling, delicious, self-evident and immensely pleasurable to be here and alive, to meet people as they are, human beings, not as projections of my desires and fears, that it is worth to die for it – psychically, not physically. RESPONDENT: Love to you and, by the way, I appreciate your open and gracious honesty. VINEETO: It has been a pleasure writing to you, telling yet again a bit more of my curious story. Should you be interested in learning more about Actual Freedom, have a look what Peter wrote about Living Together, Love and Sex . For further discussion I invite you to join our mailing list
RESPONDENT: I actually missed you from the sannyas list. I must admit that yours and Peter’s posts were interesting and educational. I still have a problem with negating the idea that there is a God ... to me all is God or Existence or All That Is ... whatever you want to call it. Negating that is really negating yourself. VINEETO: Thank you for your mail. It is nice to see that at least a few people noticed our absence and even missed ours posts. I can see the point that it is not easy to negate the idea that there is a God. Because negating the idea of God is negating your ‘self’. For me, the idea of taking Sannyas in 1980 was to find a solution to the troubles I found in myself and in everyone around me. I had explored politics, women’s liberation and social work and found all of them lacking to provide a solution. Then Osho offered the solution to the problems both personal and global by dissolving the ego, becoming enlightened. I went for it full of enthusiasm and devotion, determined to find the answer. After 17 years I still had achieved no substantial improvement in my life, nor could I see it in other seekers. When I met Peter (and Richard) and they talked about a new approach, to question all the beliefs and eliminate not only the ego, but the soul, I was very hesitant. Really? But, everybody believes, and everybody feels. What about life after death, what about the bliss forever and ever in enlightenment? I wanted eternal reward for my efforts, for my suffering, not just here-now. And I was very afraid to lose my ‘self’. But then, I had already started to question my conditioning, my primary beliefs in sannyas, I had already started to doubt my behaviour as part of this insidious ‘self’ or ‘ego’. Could it be that my very limited success was due to that I had not done it totally, that I had not questioned the second part of me, the soul, the ‘Self’? To question not only the bad emotions like anger, sadness, jealousy or rage, but also the good emotions like love, friendship, intuition, unselfishness and compassion was a radical step. But one thing I had already understood in sannyas, that everything that I create in my head – or heart – is part of me and not to be relied upon. So I gathered all my courage and stopped to believe the stories my head produced without interruption. The effect was enormous. I literally came ‘here’ for the first time that I can remember. ‘Here’ meaning, the filter of the ‘self’ was temporarily not functioning and I saw the world as it is, without the story we usually create out of what we see, hear, taste or smell. Everything just existed in its own right. Clear, perfect, magically alive, thriving, wondrous, pure, obvious and self-evidently here without needing any God or force or love to be able to exist. Just here. Just this. And I am conscious of it without being separated and without having any kind of connection with it either. And I had come ‘here’ by stopping to believe anything, stopping to create anything. That’s what made the experience so pure. There was no ‘me’ polluting the perfection of it. Because anything that I create is only created by ‘me’, the ‘self’, produced by instincts and conditioning, emotions and beliefs. It is unreliable to give the actual picture of what is, it is filtered, distorted, interpreted, formed, mutated. This experience gave me the courage to question everything I believed, including God. Because in that experience I knew, there is only this very physical universe, perceived through our physical senses and the consciousness of this physical experience. Everything else I could see as the outcome of a psychic construct, imagined and built by all of humanity since time memorial. Having experienced the world, the actual world without me in the road, I knew what I had to do. I had to remove my ‘self’ with all its implications, with all its beliefs, with all of ‘me’. Because only ‘I’ am in the road of the perfection of the physical universe, ‘I’ and my beliefs in God, Love, All There Is, or whatever else idea we heap unto the vastness and purity of what is. And then there is no grandness, no bliss, no life after death and it is utterly unnecessary too. Because without the filter of instincts and conditioning, without the Human Condition, each moment is experienced as magical, utterly fulfilling, delightful and fulfilling. Without separation there is no need for God or Love to unite. I had tried to get rid of the ‘bad’ emotions. But the trick is to free oneself of all that we continuously create in our heads and hearts – of the good and bad emotions, of the whole ‘soul’. Then, and only then – without the ‘self’ or ‘Self’ – can we experience this vast physical universe including ourselves in its magnificence and benevolence which is its very nature. Does this explanation make it more understandable what I mean by living without God. It is not negating, it is stopping to produce Him or It in the first place. There never existed anything like God except in our fertile and collective imagination, created out of the fear of being alone in this world – and ancient people have had good reasons to perceive it as dangerous and threatening, it was dangerous then with all the wild animals, the scarcity of food and hostile neighbours.
VINEETO: When I met Peter, and later Richard, and they talked about a new approach, to question all the beliefs and eliminate not only the ego, but the soul, I was very hesitant. RESPONDENT: I believe in eliminating the ego ... but the soul? VINEETO: I appreciate your questions. It is good fun to dig deeper, each time a bit more. Well, that is exactly what makes it the third alternative to being ‘normal’ and being ‘spiritual’ – you eliminate the soul as well as the ego. Actualism is both radical and effective and lies 180 degrees in the opposite direction to what has been offered up till now. ‘You’ in your entirety become extinct. Every sense of ‘self’ or ‘being’ dies. RESPONDENT: and what IS the Soul anyway ... that is something that I do not understand as of yet because I am not there yet. VINEETO:
RESPONDENT: Until I experience that place where you’ve been I cannot tell. VINEETO: I had described this peak-experience so one can root around in one’s memory to find maybe a similar experience, where one was neither in the heart nor full of worries (‘in the head’), an experience where the ‘self’ is completely absent. Many people actually experience this state many times in their lives although most people forget about it – for there is no emotional ‘I’ present to record the moment on its affective ‘tape-recorder’. So you have to look for this memory, it does not just pop up, you have to root around to recall a situation where you experienced life and the world around you as crisp, clear, perfect and peaceful, without a feeling of beauty or love and without any separate sense of ‘self’. The advantage of the actual world is, you can reach it from anywhere, it is always here. Everybody can see a coffee cup as a coffee cup, a tree as a tree and hear a cricket as a cricket. No spiritual achievement is needed for that – on the contrary, it leads you further away from the actual experience of the physical senses. But to keep God in existence you need many beliefs – the belief that God is all-present, all-knowing, all-pervading, the belief that God loves you, that God created the universe, that God will take care of you and take care of your soul after death. Question those beliefs and you will watch God disappear in front of your very eyes. God, by whatever name, actually does not exist. You don’t have to go anywhere ‘first’, you can experience it any time. You can start today by relentlessly questioning everything that is not evidenced by the physical senses, and what is left after all beliefs are dismantled is the actual, the factual. It needs courage and a bloody-mindedness and a good deal of common sense – but it is possible, one can start immediately. RESPONDENT: All I know, within my experience and belief system is what my heart tells me ... but that is even questionable because I have to use my head to filter what my heart tells me. Like I said, until I am in that place where I can actually experience the feeling of no-mind I cannot tell... VINEETO: I pondered for a while how to make you understand the difference between ‘being in the heart’, the ‘feeling of no-mind’ of the spiritual world and being the universe experiencing itself as a sensate human being. When I met Peter and heard him talk about Actual Freedom, I thought, ‘well, it is maybe just a bit further than where I am already with my meditation...’ A few month later, I understood for the first time what the word ‘spirit-ual’ means: a world made by the spirit (my spirit), filled with spirits – it was non-actual and non-factual. It hit me like a hammer. Could that mean, all my efforts to reach this inner space of peace and bliss and silence meant that I was only creating a world of my own – according to the instructions of the spiritual guidance – a little playground where nobody could hurt me anymore? And everybody else was creating such a little playground in their heads too? But, everything ‘created’ is not actual! It is a product of imagination! On investigation I found it to be the case. I found I could alter this playground according to my imagination, make it fit any Scripture I had read or heard, be it Osho, be it Tibetan, be it Tantra, be it past-life fantasies. The great disadvantage of this playground was that I could only vaguely share it with others, and only with a chosen few of the same faith. Further, everybody seemed to have a slightly different version of this fantasy-land, everyone had their individual place of personal peace. Also, by dwelling in this ‘retreat’ I could not be at ease in the ‘marketplace’, and it did not alter my emotions like dependency, jealousy, anger, fear and sorrow. Yes, sometimes I had a distance to them, but I could not maintain that distance all the time. That understanding initiated the turn-around. I wanted to be happy in this actual world, not just in a fantasy-land, which was non-compatible with other people (except a few close friends). I was actually afraid of the non-believers and the so-called outside world. I wanted to be able to experience actual changes in me, that would be reliably apparent in my interactions with the actual world of people, things and events as well, all the time, in every situation. I wanted to be happy and harmless, 24 hours a day. The ‘feeling of no-mind’ is a feeling, as you so aptly say. To be ‘here’ means to questions and eliminate feelings, to step out of the ‘real’ world of feelings and into the actual world – leaving your ‘self’ completely behind. * VINEETO: And I was very afraid to lose my ‘self’. RESPONDENT: I think that everybody goes through that ... that is why the EGO is deathly afraid of meditating. Look at me ... every time I get a chance to meditate, the ego has a hundred ideas of what else I have/need to do... VINEETO: Again, I am not just talking about the ‘EGO’. Ego is the little man/woman in the head on the control-leavers, soul is the little man/woman in the heart pulling on the heartstrings. To lose my ‘self’ and my ‘Self’, ego and soul, means complete extinction, not even a ‘being’ is there to continue after physical death. When I die, I die, full stop. I am nothing but this physical body, so there is nothing that will live on after this physical body dies. * VINEETO: But then, I had already started to question my conditioning, my primary beliefs in Sannyas, I had already started to doubt my behaviour as part of this insidious ‘self’ or ‘ego’. Could it be that my very limited success was due to that I had not done it totally, that I had not questioned the second part of me, the soul, the ‘Self’? To question not only the bad emotions like anger, sadness, jealousy or rage, but also the good emotions like love, friendship, intuition, unselfishness and compassion was a radical step. RESPONDENT: I can understand that ... but you have had to go through the one (loss of mind) before you get to the other (loss of soul) ... so you can compare the two. VINEETO: On the path to Actual Freedom you eliminate both, ego and soul, at the same time. In this way one can avoid the delusion of enlightenment – avoid running aground on the Rock of Enlightenment. I did not have to go through the ‘loss of mind’ – quite the opposite – I actually recovered my intelligence – after all those years of trying to ignore it – and used it to questioned beliefs and instincts. By honestly and vigilantly asking the question ‘How do I experience this moment of being alive’ I was able to slowly, slowly investigate all my emotions, instincts and beliefs – my very ‘self’ (ego + soul). * VINEETO: But one thing I had already understood in Sannyas, that everything that I create in my head – or heart – is part of me and not to be relied upon. So I gathered all my courage and stopped believing the stories my head produced without interruption. The effect was enormous. I literally came ‘here’ for the first time that I can remember. RESPONDENT: And how did it feel? VINEETO: It was perfect, magnificent, pristine, pure, obvious, delightful, extra-ordinarily ordinary. * VINEETO: ‘Here’ meaning, the filter of the ‘self’ was temporarily not functioning and I saw the world as it is, without the story we usually create out of what we see, hear, taste or smell. Everything just existed in its own right. Clear, perfect, magically alive, thriving, wondrous, pure, obvious and self-evidently here without needing any God or force or love to be able to exist. Just here. Just this. And I am conscious of it without being separated and without having any kind of connection with it either. RESPONDENT: Well this here is what I call Existence ... as you know ... God has no name ... what people call God (religious people or mostly everybody) I call Existence ... All That Is ... it is really the ONLY thing that is ... yes? VINEETO: I am talking about this physical universe, evidenced only by the physical senses (eyes, ears, sense of touch, smell and taste). Everything meta-physical like God or Existence is a mere psychic construct of human imagination in order to ‘secure’ a life after death. * VINEETO: Because in that experience I knew, there is only this very physical universe, perceived through our physical senses and the consciousness of this physical experience. Everything else I could see as the outcome of a psychic construct, imagined and built by all of humanity since time immemorial. RESPONDENT: That part I am not surprised about. I have been in metaphysics (or whatever you want to call it) for over 20 years, that part I knew without experiencing it) VINEETO: I don’t know what you mean by ‘I have been in metaphysics’. Do you say you have studied it? or used it? or believed in it? * VINEETO: Then, and only then – without the ‘self’ or ‘Self’ – can we experience this vast physical universe including ourselves in its magnificence and benevolence which is its very nature. RESPONDENT: And ... can you keep it going all the time, or is it just glimpses of it...? VINEETO: Yes, I am happy and harmless almost all the time. Once in a while an emotion, usually a quiver of fear, appears and then gets examined, investigated and eliminated. It is always the same successful method of ‘how am I experiencing this moment of being alive’ – and when I am not experiencing perfection, I have something to look at, to investigate into the cause and cut its roots. RESPONDENT: I can relate to that...on with the adventure of experiencing the self ... or... the SELF... VINEETO: Yes, on with the adventure, but for me, it is the adventure of questioning, investigating, eliminating the self and Self and becoming free of the Human Condition, free of malice and sorrow. And the adventure of ending the search, of arriving at one’s destiny.
RESPONDENT: I do not appreciate you cutting down Osho. This site is for sannyasins and friends of Osho. I personally am not interested in ‘converting’ but you guys seem to be forcing your issues on those that are here. VINEETO: When I started to write on this list, and talked about my experiences, I stated that I had found the Eastern teachings lacking in delivering solutions for me personally and for the world at large. After thousand of years of teachings about enlightenment and meditation people are still killing each other for their beliefs, their territory and many other petty reasons. I just saw a report about an emergency hospital in Chicago where kids of 9 – 18 years are brought in with 13 or more bullets in their bodies, not only once, but often returned a second or third time ... and the reasons were often a fight over a Hamburger, a stereo-recorder, a missing apology, a misunderstanding. You may say, they are not Sannyasins, but is there really such a difference? Haven’t we all experienced rage, blinding jealousy or despair? I know that, until a year ago, I could not rely on myself that I would not ride on the lust for power or the thrill of being malicious to someone. There was always this doubt, ‘would there be a situation that would trigger me’? In the end, I couldn’t be sure of myself. Then people on the list said, this list is not about Eastern teaching, what about Osho. So I became more specific in my replies. Being a ‘friend of Osho’ does not mean for you that you are not allowed to check out facts, or does it? When people ask specific questions, because they want to investigate, I answer. If you don’t like the answer you can always investigate, find out for yourself and discuss it further, if you like. Is this list only for the loyal ones who don’t question Osho’s authority on anything he said, and represented, or is this list also for those who would like to find out about life on earth, who are searching for a solution to their own and humanity’s problems? I had loved and followed Osho for seventeen years and I was in this Sannyas-world for half of my life. I have now found something that works 100%, that makes me completely happy and harmless, and that is possible for every human being on the planet. It is simple, obvious and straight-forward, it is actual and factual. Naturally, the first people I am sharing it with are the people I have spent all those years with, searching together for an answer, investigating and experimenting together, living, longing and laughing together... I don’t see how this inappropriate? RESPONDENT: Speaking for myself, how would you like it if we went to your site and started to push Osho on you... VINEETO: I would appreciate it very much. You are very welcome to discuss this on any list you want to. I don’t have a perception of ‘my’ site or ‘your’ list, I simply enjoy talking to people where ever and when ever they write to me.
RESPONDENT to Peter: I presume that this Richard is not the same one that you always mention. or is it? VINEETO: No, this is not Richard from Actual Freedom. This guy seems to be quite out there.
This paragraph shows clearly that he is talking about the spiritual ‘here’, ‘forgetting’ and ‘remembering’ the ‘real self’. In Actual Freedom all identities die, real or unreal. There is nothing left but the flesh and blood body, sensate and reflective. There is no ‘holiday’ or ‘returning home’, one is always here in this physical world. I guess you have the address of Richard’s web site, if not, it is:
RESPONDENT: First of all, I’d like to thank you for your straight forward manner. It is refreshing to see that you are patient with people even though they rebel. VINEETO: Good to talk to you again. Rebelling has been a strong issue for me in my life. When I lived at home with my parents, I rebelled against my father. Later I extended that rebellion against my university professors, my employers, the government, the police and men in general. Beneath all my rebellion I was still relying on authority for comparison, orientation and approval, while rebelling against it at the same time. Interestingly, I could only get rid of authority by tracing its cause to the very root: What do I want or need authority for in my life? Why do I create authority? What do I get out of it? What was the ultimate authority behind each representative of power? Which version of good and bad, right and wrong was I to follow? Could I consider living without an external or internal authority in my life? And what would be the consequences? But I can say, I had to tackle my belief in the ultimate authority before I was able to stand upright and autonomously on my own feet. Now I am my own authority, deciding what is silly and sensible, using the common and practical intelligence of the human brain. I am responsible for every action in my life and I can acknowledge that now. However, this means that from now on I cannot blame anybody for making me jealous, miserable, grumpy, afraid, angry or frustrated over any petty issue. Now there is no more excuse, no more hiding place. They are my reactions and my behaviour, which I have to face and change in order to be free. So, in my experience, it is worth rebelling, but rebelling against someone else does not lead anywhere. For freedom, I rebelled against everything that I have been taught, every thought, every truth, every teaching, every feeling – and it is damn worth it. RESPONDENT: No one likes their beliefs being questioned, but, in this case Osho did always tell everybody to question everything and he purposefully changed his statements in order to make people question even him. So you are right. Being someone who spent years with Osho, it does give you a right to examine anyone’s belief’s including your own. All I know is that I know nothing. Who said that? As long as I question everything I will be in the ‘search’ mode. VINEETO: All I am proposing is that you question your own beliefs – just because it worked for me. There are many good reasons for questioning the ‘tried and failed’ and I have explained most of them. But it is completely up to you which belief you want to question. The good thing about investigating not only your ego but also your feelings, emotions and instincts is that you arrive. The search ends and the entity inside dies, a complete and irreversible death. One arrives in the magical perfection and delightful aliveness of here, in the actual world.
VINEETO: All I am proposing is that you question your own beliefs – just because it worked for me. There are many good reasons for questioning the ‘tried and failed’ and I have explained most of them. But it is completely up to you which belief you want to question. The good thing about investigating not only your ego but also your feelings, emotions and instincts is that you arrive . The search ends and the entity inside dies, a complete and irreversible death. One arrives in the magical perfection and delightful aliveness of here, in the actual world. RESPONDENT: And what IS the purpose for being in the actual world other than enjoying it? There must be something else, some other purpose. VINEETO: No, there is no purpose other than living the perfection of the actual world and being aware of it. It is the psychological and psychic entity that yearns for a purpose to justify its existence. And when you look around you will find thousands of imagined purposes in people’s lives. RESPONDENT: My father used to say,’ there is nothing after this life’. Well, I proved him wrong because he tried to communicate with me after death. You will probably say that I was projecting, but no, there was another person present at the time when this happened. I still do not believe that this world, this life is all there is. Then what are we here for? to enjoy life and then what??? VINEETO: To enjoy life and then die. As all living things do. Be born, live and die. And what are we here for? To enjoy every moment of being here as the universe experiencing itself in its magnificence, exuberance, abundance, perfection and purity. And in order to be able to live as this sensate and reflective human being we investigate into the Human Condition which we have been programmed with and which prevents us from living in peace and harmony in this wonderful actual world. Isn’t that enough, isn’t that more than enough? Why waste the time we have on this verdant planet by worrying about people who died, to fear and worship imaginary gods and ‘great beings’, dreams and fantasies. Why not stop hoping that someone else can fix us up and why not instead start making yourself happy and harmless now ? Essentially everybody spends his/her life worrying about what happens afterwards and in that way wastes this moment of being alive, living what is happening now. RESPONDENT: I still cannot accept the fact that all there is is this world ... the physical. That there isn’t a force out there that directs all that is existing. I do not care what you call this force but it is an intelligent force...call it a computer if you will, but it IS there since I feel it. It may be a part of me but it is still larger than me. VINEETO: Well, it is up to you. I have decided to investigate facts rather than believe what I have been taught, and it made me happy and harmless. I had to leave a lot of dreams, hopes, fears and the feeling of belonging behind but the result is beyond my wildest dreams. It was not easy to face my fears, to give up the imaginary protection of some imaginary greater force, but after investigating into the facts I could not keep on believing this dream of a greater protective and demanding force any longer. I saw that the belief was produced by my fears and the fears of all of humanity, the fear to be alone, the fear of death. I decided to face and eliminate my fears rather than being dependant on this imaginary protective force. Peace-on-earth, in this lifetime, on this planet is possible now. But it is up to you, it is you who chooses what you want to do in your life. It has been great fun again to talk to you. PS: If you are interested, Peter has written about exactly this issue in the Death-chapter and Universe-chapter of his book.
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