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Vineeto’s Correspondence on Mailing List D Correspondent No 7
VINEETO: Hi No 7, RESPONDENT: The greatest problem of our world today (after the Transformation of a person) is the union of male and female, for the conditioning of both is 3 Million years old. No current ‘solve’ is available, it must be created from within each person, for themselves and by themselves, no other solution will work, I wonder if any of you have the necessary ‘tools’ to imploy it? VINEETO: You also said –
If you love 100% and you failed 100%, is it not love that has failed 100%? There is something far purer than love, but love prevent us from experiencing it.
RESPONDENT No 2:
Does anyone understand what he is saying here? Theories and opinions are also ok. Maybe we can come up with something. If anyone out there does understand this I would appreciate it if you would tell me about it. I am listening. VINEETO: In my experience, what UG Krishnamurti is talking about is that there is a psychic web, consisting of the thoughts, feelings and passions of all human beings. Some people are more sensitive to picking up these types of feelings than others, be they euphoria, excitement, empathy, sadness, anger, revenge or fear, but everyone does this automatically to some extent. Although it is common belief, particularly on this list, that it is thoughts and conditioning which are the cause of the problems in the world, there is overwhelming anecdotal, empirical and personal observational evidence that it is the genetically-encoded instinctual passions that produce feelings, i.e. emotions-backed thoughts, of fear and aggression in each and every human being. Therefore, this ‘common thought-sphere’ that UG Krishnamurti speaks of is, in fact, a collective feeling-sphere. All sentient beings, to a greater or lesser extent, are connected via this feeling-sphere or psychic web ... a network of energies or currents that range from ‘good’ to ‘bad’ and from the Divine to the Diabolical. When ‘you’, the ‘self’, actively practice expanding from a personal consciousness into the collective consciousness, those vibes, energies or currents are more clearly and distinctly noticed and the instinctual battle for survival is then fought on another, ‘higher’ and grander scale. With apperception, the brain’s ability of being aware of being conscious, one becomes aware of the folly of this collective consciousness and one becomes aware of the psychic powers and grand feelings that are wielded by the gurus as are part and parcel of this collective consciousness. In that clear awareness of the nature of collective consciousness itself one is then able to step outside of this psychic web, outside of humanity. Only by stepping outside of the psychic web or the common feeling-sphere is there complete freedom from emotion-backed thoughts. RESPONDENT: I wonder Vineeto, are you Richard, using the name Vineeto, if not you are for sure ‘trained’ by him. No 7, sphereing! VINEETO: Ah, No 7, you shouldn’t have any difficulty figuring this out for yourself. Wasn’t it you who wrote just recently –
So if ‘the me means the we’ and ‘we are the world’ then ‘thought is absent’ – so your comments must be thoughtless and not the result of thinking. You are but ‘sphereing’ in the common feeling-sphere of collectively shared feelings. Fortunately, the results from your ‘thoughtless’ feeling approach to figuring things out is not factual. I can and do use my brain – my intelligence and my awareness – to sort things out and arrive at factual conclusions. I don’t need to be ‘trained’ to recognize a tree as a tree and a coffee-cup as a coffee-cup, these are simply facts. What I first did was get rid of my spiritual conditioning that made me think ‘we is the me’ and feel we are all one Consciousness. I was then freed to observe and explore my beliefs, feelings and instinctual passions and become aware of the common feeling-sphere that connects all sentient beings. But people who think for themselves and investigate what is fact and what is belief are summarily dismissed in the spiritual world of ‘thoughtless’ endeavour where ‘we are the world, all the same’. For you, any people involved in a sincere in-depth investigation of spiritual conditioning and spiritual teachings are just ‘idiots chasing their tails’. This stubborn pursuit of thoughtless traditional solutions is the reason why the world is still in the mess it is today and there is no peace on earth in sight. To use your term – it has 100% failed.
RESPONDENT No 2:
Does anyone understand what he is saying here? Theories and opinions are also ok. Maybe we can come up with something. If anyone out there does understand this I would appreciate it if you would tell me about it. I am listening. VINEETO: In my experience, what UG Krishnamurti is talking about is that there is a psychic web, consisting of the thoughts, feelings and passions of all human beings. <snip> Only by stepping outside of the psychic web or the common feeling-sphere is there complete freedom from emotion-backed thoughts. I wonder Vineeto, are you Richard, using the name Vineeto, if not you are for sure ‘trained’ by him. No 7, sphereing! VINEETO: Ah, No 7, you shouldn’t have any difficulty figuring this out for yourself. Wasn’t it you who wrote just recently –
So if ‘the me means the we’ and ‘we are the world’ then ‘thought is absent’ – so your comments must be thoughtless and not the result of thinking. You are but ‘sphereing’ in the common feeling-sphere of collectively shared feelings. Fortunately, the results from your ‘thoughtless’ feeling approach to figuring things out is not factual. I can and do use my brain – my intelligence and my awareness – to sort things out and arrive at factual conclusions. I don’t need to be ‘trained’ to recognize a tree as a tree and a coffee-cup as a coffee-cup, these are simply facts. What I first did was get rid of my spiritual conditioning that made me think ‘we is the me’ and feel we are all one Consciousness. I was then freed to observe and explore my beliefs, feelings and instinctual passions and become aware of the common feeling-sphere that connects all sentient beings. But people who think for themselves and investigate what is fact and what is belief are summarily dismissed in the spiritual world of ‘thoughtless’ endeavour where ‘we are the world, all the same’. For you, any people involved in a sincere in-depth investigation of spiritual conditioning and spiritual teachings are just ‘idiots chasing their tails’. This stubborn pursuit of thoughtless traditional solutions is the reason why the world is still in the mess it is today and there is no peace on earth in sight. To use your term – it has 100% failed. RESPONDENT: Hum Vineeto, I agree with most of what you have said, VINEETO: Quite an evasive cautionary answer. Are you agreeing that ‘the results from your ‘thoughtless’ feeling approach to figuring things out is not factual’? If so, then why do you keep following your ‘thoughtless’ feelings? Are you agreeing that ‘people who think for themselves and investigate what is fact and what is belief are summarily dismissed in the spiritual world of ‘thoughtless’ endeavour where ‘we are the world, all the same’’? If so, are you dismissing everyone who doesn’t agree with the feeling of ‘we are the world, all the same’ and closing the door on the option that there is more to the human experience than a mere affective identity of ‘we are the world, all the same’? Are you agreeing that ‘you are but ‘sphereing’ in the common feeling-sphere of collectively shared feelings’? If so, then what is the difference between ‘sphereing’ and comfortably swimming with the crowd? Are you agreeing that ‘this stubborn pursuit of thoughtless traditional solutions ... has 100% failed’? If so, then why do you stay with ‘this stubborn pursuit of thoughtless traditional solutions’ – why don’t you try out something original, something radically different? The other day you said to No. 00 –
Don’t you think that it is time to ‘see the result’ of ‘this stubborn pursuit of thoughtless traditional solutions’, admit that ‘it has 100% failed’, and ‘move on’? RESPONDENT: ... and still you have not answered if you are Richard, writing under the name Vineeto. VINEETO: Think, No 7, think. ‘Seeing’ obviously doesn’t provide you with an answer. Next time you look at another person, try thinking that that other person is a fellow flesh and blood human being and not a ‘we who is the me’. Then you might begin to understand that there are in fact two people who are reporting similar experiences that are radically different to your experiences. Your summary dismissal of me as a physically separate human being is pathetically devious. There is more than one person who has found out that the solution of feeling ‘we are the world, all the same’ has failed. People are still killing each other by the hour in the real world, despite all the prayers to God or the self-satisfying feelings of ‘we are the world, all the same’ in the spiritual world. You know, the affective spiritual identity of ‘we are the world, all the same’ can die as well. Vineeto’s & Richard’s Text ©The
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