Please note that Vineeto’s correspondence below was written by the feeling-being ‘Vineeto’ while ‘she’ lived in a pragmatic (methodological), still-in-control/same-way-of-being Virtual Freedom.

Vineeto’s Correspondence on Mailing List D

Correspondent No 11

Topics covered

Sensate-only experiencing vs. ‘Life’, ‘Truth’, humbleness, no god, thought, peace, becoming non-affected * dissociative meditation, avoidance, ‘self’ * three ways of experiencing, ‘self’ is affective experiencing, thinking is biofeedback

 

See Richard, List B, No 12

26.9.2000

VINEETO: Hi No 11,

Now I rely on facts, provable, demonstrable, verifiable and workable facts. Facts exist without my support, actuality exists without me believing in it or you not believing in it – it doesn’t need any defence at all. A tree is a tree and no belief will change that, a fact is a fact and no belief will change that either. And the actuality that I experience when the ‘self’ is completely absent is so vibrant, so delicious, so pure, so magnificent that every glorious feeling about Truth, the Unknown, the Unknowable, etc. has faded into oblivion.

RESPONDENT: Vibrant, delicious, pure, and magnificent ARE glorious feelings about ‘what is’ when self is not, i.e. about Truth. Self faded into oblivion, means life just is.

VINEETO: No, I am not talking about feelings, let alone glorious feelings – I am describing the sensate-only experiencing of the world surrounding me as it becomes apparent in a PCE when the ‘self’ is temporarily absent. This is not the ‘Truth’ because the Truth is based on passionate affective ‘knowing’ where the soul-part of the ‘self’ is not only intact but gloriously aggrandized by the absence of the restrictive ego. For Truth to be, the ‘self’ does not have to become extinct, it is still alive and kicking, just not ‘falsely objectifying’. Vis:

[Respondent]: ‘Truth is when there is no false objectification of self. When there is no objectification of self, the illusion of separate objects ends as well.’ [endquote].

In a PCE, as I have described, the ‘self’ is not a personal self ‘faded into oblivion’ but is when the total self is temporarily in abeyance – a PCE is but a glimpse to give one the experience of what is possible when the ‘self’, both ego and soul, becomes permanently extinct. When you say ‘self faded into oblivion, means life just is’, you are talking about Life, ‘Supreme Intelligence, Consciousness, etc., which is nothing but God by another name or you may be talking of No. 8’s fashionable spiritual fatalistic nihilism of ‘I am what I am, and life is what it is, so I might as well be grateful to whoever, or whatever, is running the show ... because that’s what everybody else is doing’.

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VINEETO: As it is my life and there is no God to reward or punish me before or after death, I can do with it what I like. And I chose to go for the best – an actual peace on earth in this lifetime.

RESPONDENT: The idea of this life being ‘mine’ to do with as I chose with or without an imagined God is something extra added by thought.

VINEETO: Are you hinting at being humble or grateful in the face of the Life-giving Force aka God? That life is not ‘ ‘mine’ to do with as I chose ’ but that ‘it is your’s my Lord’, or that ‘I am part of a Greater Existence and the closer I get to feeling It, the greater I get’? This ‘something extra added’ by passionate feeling can even lead to feeling oneself to be God himself/ herself/ itself.

I said ‘as it is my life’ because I don’t owe it to anyone or anything else, there is no Higher Force, no Universal Consciousness, no Supreme Intelligence, no Immortal Being. My life started when I was born and will end when I die. I am alive as a result of a sperm meeting an egg and I will die as a result of old age, disease or an unexpected accident. There is no immortal soul in this body that existed before birth and that will continue after death and the acknowledgement of this fact gives me the freedom to do with my life as I choose – and I choose to become free of the genetically-encoded instinctual survival package instilled in every human being.

Further, I don’t subscribe to the belief that thought must vanish in order to become free – this is but an ancient belief invented and maintained by those who didn’t know anything about genetically-inherent animal instinctual passions. The shamans, Gurus and teachers have always – for their own Self-interest – actively discouraged their followers from thinking for themselves and have always laid the blame for Evil at the door of thinking. How long do you want to continue with this superseded non-scientific twaddle that human beings are born innocent and only corrupted by society’s thoughts? T’is but a slightly adapted version of the ancient superstition that suffering and malice is caused by evil spirits that have to be driven out of the possessed person by prayer, ritual or sacrifice ... or giving the shaman a chicken or a chick.

To try to stop thought only makes one passionately stupid, it doesn’t eliminate the instinctual passions – the lives of enlightened beings prove beyond doubt that enlightenment, a supposed thoughtless state, does not mean they don’t think, plot, plan and scheme, let alone become free one from the instinctual passions.

For peace on earth to become actualized the soul, the instinctual ‘self’ has to become extinct along with the ego. Nothing less will do.

3.10.2000

VINEETO: I always considered that I am not actually free when I can be annoyed, irritated, saddened or scared by someone else without there being a physical threat. To become free of these emotional reactions I took up meditation and when meditation proved ineffective and dissociative, I became attracted to investigate into the cause of my social and instinctual programming in order to become free of being affected by other people’s words and actions. Not being affected by other’s sadness makes me unconditionally happy and not being affected by other’s aggression makes me unreservedly harmless.

It’s a great life.

RESPONDENT: How is not being affected by other’s sadness or aggression different from what you call meditative dissociation?

VINEETO: The three ways a person can experience the world are 1: cerebral (thoughts); 2: sensate (senses); 3: affective (feelings).

In meditative dissociation one moves away from sensate and cerebral experiencing and aims to experience only the good part of the affective feelings. In Eastern religions and philosophy, this practice of suppression and non-attachment has been raised to a high art whereby one can, through assiduous practice, create a whole new, utterly dissociated, identity based solely on feeling Good-ness and God-ness. This process of becoming non-attached to feelings that are not desirable and identifying with the feelings that are considered desirable and are highly valued by our peers can lead to an Altered State of Consciousness whereby a mortal human being imagines and feels himself or herself to be above it all, as in Divine and Immortal.

In this sleight of hand, or more correctly spiritual sleight of mind, ‘me’ and my feelings get off scot-free and nothing actually happens except the whole sorry saga of eastern religion gets another pundit, another propagator, another sage revered for his puerile wisdom and parroted platitudes such as ‘it my is attachment to human suffering that is the problem’.

Not being affected by other’s sadness or aggression in the pursuit of ‘self’-immolation is 180 degrees opposite to such meditative dissociation –

The aim of running the question of ‘How am I experiencing this moment of being alive?’ is to become aware of exactly how I am experiencing the world of people, things and events and to investigate what is preventing me from being happy and harmless in this moment. It is therefore important to discriminate between the pure sensate sensual experiences, as in sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch, and the ‘self’-centred cerebral thought and affective feeling experiences that are sourced in the instinctual animal survival passions. Feelings are most commonly expressed as emotion-backed thoughts – thoughts arising in response to the flooding of chemicals that originate from the animal instinctual brain, the amygdala. As the amygdala quick-scans the incoming sensorial input, it is programmed to automatically respond with an instinctual reaction – essentially those of fear, aggression, nurture and desire. It is important to recognize that these reactions, while felt in the body as sensations, and interpreted by the brain as feelings, are actually instinctual animal passions in action – they are the very substance of ‘who’ we feel ourselves to be, deep down at a bodily level, in both heart and gut.

The further I experientially investigated why I was affected by another’s sadness or psychic aggression, the more I discovered ‘me’, the feeler in action and how I was entangled in the psychic web of humanity’s collectively experienced feelings and instinctual passions. In order to not be ‘affected by other’s sadness or aggression’ I am exploring, becoming aware and then stepping out of experiencing the world affectively, as a feeling ‘me’, and more and more I am able to experience the world sensately.

I remove the obstacles that prevent me from being here in this place and now in this moment whereas the meditator aims to go there ‘where I belong’ and be ‘what I have always been’, my immortal spirit, and then one desperately tries to feel present in the material world.

RESPONDENT: Maybe what you call meditation is some kind of avoidance.

VINEETO: Yes, meditation is definitely ‘some kind of avoidance’ – it is going somewhere else and avoiding to deal with the prime cause of our malice, sorrow and feeling of separation, the psychological and instinctual ‘self’. Meditation is like taking drugs, covering malice and sorrow with a golden layer of inner peace, love, beauty, compassion and the feeling of immortality and thus avoiding the extraction of the rotten tooth. If you watch the news you will notice that the Eastern countries that have practiced meditation for centuries have as many territorial civil and religious wars as Western or African countries. Meditation does nothing for an actual peace on earth in this lifetime, it only transports people into an imaginary Peter Pan Never-never-land of dissociative self-centredness.

10.10.2000

RESPONDENT No 9: Conformism, helplessness, boredom, escape from truth and hard inner work going through pain, and the more or less deep routed hope and longing for being Loved and Cared for, is in its deeper realms of course a result of a spiritual movement, but in the realm of collective entertainment and the realm of (all) countries’ interest (which can not cause anything more than it is, and what it is, is nothing but egoistic and national pride, competition and personal fame) the phenomenon of ‘cheers and tears’ is nothing but a psychological result of itself.

VINEETO: The same passions that drive people to strive to become the greatest and most powerful in sport, politics or business, drive other people to become kings of the psychic world, forever above and beyond the suffering of ‘ordinary’ mortals who ‘only’ want to ‘entertain’ themselves. You call it ‘nothing but egotistic and national pride’ and yet you completely overlook the megalomaniacal arrogance and blatant superiority of the spiritual competitive pursuit of personal fame, power and immortality in calling oneself God as in ‘I am the Creator’ or ‘We are the World’ or ‘I am the Universal Consciousness’. Every spiritual seeker deems himself or herself better, superior, wiser, purer than and far above so-called normal people – it is all part and parcel of being a passionately-driven seeker. There is nothing superior to being spiritual, one is merely one step further removed from the actual physical world of sparkling vibrant purity.

RESPONDENT: A seeker that deems himself better is the one that asserts that I (as opposed to most others) have realized. It doesn’t matter whether it is unity consciousness or an actual world of sparkling vibrant purity that is allegedly realized.

Either way, the self is established in it.

VINEETO: Your using of the term ‘allegedly’ points that you don’t know such sparkling vibrant experience of the actual world. What then puts you in the position of declaring with certainty that ‘the self is established in it’?

The three ways a person can experience the world are

  1. cerebral (thoughts);
  2. sensate (senses);
  3. affective (feelings).

In meditative dissociation one moves away from sensate and cerebral experiencing and aims to experience only the good part of the affective feelings. In Eastern religions and philosophy, this practice of suppression and non-attachment has been raised to a high art whereby one can, through assiduous practice, create a whole new, utterly dissociated, identity based solely on feeling Good-ness and God-ness. This process of becoming non-attached to feelings that are not desirable and identifying with the feelings that are considered desirable and are highly valued by our peers can lead to an Altered State of Consciousness whereby a mortal human being imagines and feels himself or herself to be above it all, as in Divine and Immortal.

A normal ‘self’ experiences the world cerebrally and affectively as a grim and instinctual struggle for survival. A pious ‘self’, conditioned by the Eastern philosophy of right thinking and highly selective affectations, produces an illusion of unity consciousness that bears absolutely no relationship to the rampant fear, malice and sorrow that epitomizes the Human Condition. To stick one’s head in the clouds and imagine and feel a unity consciousness always has been, and always will be, a cop-out for there is in fact no God, no unity consciousness.

When you say ‘either way, the self is established in it’, you are talking about an affective experience that can never be ‘self’-less. However, the ‘self’-less body, physical matter, is perfectly capable of experiencing both thought and sensation (cerebral and sensate experiencing). ‘Sparkling’ and ‘vibrant’ is the sensate description of the purity that prevails when there is no ‘self’ present to spoil the sensate and reflective experience.

Thinking is nothing but biofeedback, although incredibly sophisticated. It is a perfectly physical phenomenon, which gets polluted and distorted by social-psychological and emotional-instinctual ‘self’-centredness. Awareness of one’s thoughts, feelings and sensate experiences is an even higher developed form of biofeedback. Such highly developed biofeedback can even observe its own instinctual-affective programming in operation and, given sufficient intent and persistence, systematically eliminate it. What an utter serendipitous outcome of animal evolution!


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