Actual Freedom – Mailing List ‘D’ Correspondence

Richard’s Correspondence On Mailing List ‘D’

with Correspondent No. 5


Continued from Mailing List ‘B’: Sock Puppet ‘S’ and from Mailing List ‘AF’: Sock Puppet ‘N’ / Sock Puppet ‘C’ / Sock Puppet ‘X’ / Sock Puppet ‘R’

May 9 2009

Re: Howler Of The Week

This must surely win the Howler Of The Week award:

RESPONDENT: ‘Interesting that the only thing Richard found worthy of entering here for was to protect an imagined threat to his pay packet. Talk about hyperactive survival instincts’.

RICHARD:

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Random quote from The Actual Freedom Trust web site:

[Richard]: ‘I am retired and on a pension and have more than sufficient for my needs for the remainder of my life’.

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Copied from the archives of The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list (posted on the 2nd of February 2006):

[Richard]: ‘... I have had my credit card strung out the max, over the years, in order to establish and maintain all the words and writings pertaining to both an actual freedom from the human condition and a virtual freedom in practice on-line so as they be accessible totally free of charge for anyone at all to access and it is only in the last year or so that the whole enterprise has come anywhere near to being self-supporting ...’. Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list, No. 74f, 2 Feb 2006

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Copied from the archives of The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list (posted on the 10th of May 2002):

[Respondent]: ‘One thing I have to note is that something that I find unique to Actualism is that there has never been a financial basis to it.

[Richard]: ‘It pleases me greatly that the writings about actual freedom (upwards of 4,000,000 words at the latest estimate) are available for free on-line ...’. Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list, No. 32, 10 May 2002

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Copied from Message No. 5129 posted on Tuesday, 05 May, 2009:

[Richard]: ‘... the directors of The Actual Freedom Trust have, over the years, expended tens of thousands of scarce dollars of their own moneys (plus tens of thousands of unpaid hours) to create, maintain, and provide the millions of words currently available for free on the internet– it is only in recent years that the sale of non-essential items have been sufficient to barely cover the basic ongoing costs of the enterprise ...’. Yahoo Groups Actualfreedom, Message 5129.

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Copied from the archives of The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list (posted on the 21st of February 2005):

[Respondent]: ‘Why are you guys (Peter and Richard) charging money for online journals?

[Richard]: ‘It is the legal entity officially registered as ‘The Actual Freedom Trust’ which holds the copyright to all the actualism writings– which includes both of the journals currently available– thus it is the directors of the Trust, both current and future, who decide which material is to be available, and in what format, and whether or not to charge for them ... there are some vague notions, for instance, of eventually making a CD/DVD for sale.

As to why ... any monies received go towards defraying the costs of both maintaining the Trust and publishing – which costs have been, and are, mostly met out of the pockets of three suburbanites and neither Peter nor I receive any’. Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list, No. 78b, 21 Feb 2005(a)

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Copied from the archives of ‘Mailing List B’ (circa 1979):

[Respondent]: ‘Concern? How does ‘concern’ manifest itself? With selling PCE over the internet at $35.00 a whack?

[Richard]: ‘If you are referring to the semi-autobiographical novel ‘Richard’s Journal’ ... it is AUS $29.95 and constitutes 114,000 words, of a more personal type, out of the more than 1,000,000 words about the human condition that are available for free on the web-site.

It is not essential reading at all and any sales go to meet the overheads of legally maintaining and expanding the Trust ... I never personally receive any money from it.

Also, by latest count, 576,000 words have appeared on this Mailing List and the Actual Freedom Trust Mailing List ... also gratis.

I am retired and on a pension and have more than sufficient for my needs for the remainder of my life.

Just what is the point you are trying to make? List B, No. 19c, 26 June 1999

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Copied from the top of the order form page on The Actual Freedom Trust web site:

[quote] ‘All of the items for sale on this page are supplementary to the 4+ million freely available words on The Actual Freedom Trust web site. They are optional extras ... luxury items, as it were, and the income generated goes towards defraying the costs associated with both maintaining The Actual Freedom Trust and its publishing operations’. Actualfreedom, Order form

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Copied from the archives of The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list (posted on the 10th of February 2003):

[Richard]: ‘... all I ever wanted was the words and writings of an actual freedom from the human condition to exist in the world ...

I scoured the books to no avail for eleven years and would rather have it that nobody else need to go through what I went through.

I am well pleased that the third alternative to materialism and spiritualism is now available throughout the world. Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list, No. 41, 10 Feb 2003)

May 9 2009

Subject: Re: Howler Of The Week (Now Censored)

CO-RESPONDENT: I agree Richard. I thought it was a howler when I first read it.

RESPONDENT: :-))) I knew it!!!

I knew I should have added ‘He’s only come here to talk to me you guys, you watch’ LOL! Hey Fritzl (that’s what really did it ;-)

Can’t you see? Richard is totally predictable, like substance. He has nothing new to say, no new behaviour to show us, he’s here to talk down, to prey, and play, with not just a beautiful face :-))))))))

RICHARD:

:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

WOW! So spiteful, [Sock Puppet ‘C’]! So frustrated and so mean!

I’m calling you ‘Mean-Spirited Man’ from now on.

Go back and read the post that made you so spiteful. Nowhere did I place any burdens on you or even complain, I merely offered suggestions.

You have a lot to learn, middle-aged man.

R

4786 4787

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May 9 2009

Subject: Once upon a time (Now Censored)

RESPONDENT: This list is like a novel, for readers with incredibly unusual taste. When I read it, I get vague mental images of the characters in this book and the possible environments they live in.

Richard, I was just goading, you don’t really look like Fritzl, but your silly big daddy power trip reminds me of him. Your quite handsome in fact (for an old dude) and no I’m not buttering you up, just setting the record straight.

RICHARD: G’day [Sock Puppet ‘C’]

You’re wearing quite well yourself, considering how you are a middle-aged codger now.

Speaking of which: how is the ‘Death by Chocolate’ dessert at the Bon Ton Café these days ... still as glorious as ever?

Regards, Richard.

May 9 2009

Subject: Re: Howler Of The Week (Now Censored)

CO-RESPONDENT: I agree Richard. I thought it was a howler when I first read it.

RESPONDENT: :-))) I knew it!!! I knew I should have added ‘He’s only come here to talk to me you guys, you watch’ LOL! Hey Fritzl (that’s what really did it ;-)

Can’t you see? Richard is totally predictable, like substance. He has nothing new to say, no new behaviour to show us, he’s here to talk down, to prey, and play, with not just a beautiful face :-))))))))

RICHARD:

:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

WOW! So spiteful, [Sock Puppet ‘C’]! So frustrated and so mean! I’m calling you ‘Mean-Spirited Man’ from now on. Go back and read the post that made you so spiteful. Nowhere did I place any burdens on you or even complain, I merely offered suggestions. You have a lot to learn, middle-aged man. R 4786 4787

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RESPONDENT: Richard, have you gone bonkers or what? This is such childish behaviour!

RICHARD: What a strange coincidence, [Sock Puppet ‘C’].

That is exactly what I thought, at the time.

May 12 2009

Re: Internet Anonymity

RESPONDENT: Richard has absolutely no confidential information about me.

RICHARD: Au contraire ... Richard does indeed have confidential information about you.

RESPONDENT: The only way anyone can know the actual identity and age of the people they converse with over the net is to meet them in person, speak with them on live video AND read their birth certificate. I could be 78 years old for all Richard knows!

RICHARD: That paragraph (and indeed your entire email) is a red-herring ... for here is the text you are reacting to:

[Respondent No. 4]: ‘Regarding a certain ‘middle aged codger (...) sitting hunched before a computer’, I’ll withhold judgement, on account of the glass house I live in’.

[Richard]: ‘... of course (and not just because of glass houses) as there are extenuating circumstances. Now, obviously I posses confidential information which I will never, ever be revealing as it is just not my style (I do indeed like my fellow human no matter what mischief they get up to). What I can freely do, however, is point you to Message No. 3746 (second/ third paragraph).

It is quite clear I am referring to medical information (and not identifying information) by both the words ‘extenuating circumstances’ and the text at the referred link. Here is an edited and appropriately-censored copy-paste of that confidential information (which I will never, ever be revealing as it is just not my style):

Original Message – From: [Sock Puppet ‘S’] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:07 AM To: Richard

(...) It wasn’t until I succumbed to a much dreaded [medical term suppressed] that it was discovered that I had been misdiagnosed. I have genetically inherited my grand-mothers [medical term suppressed], bordering on [medical term suppressed] which causes the same symptoms a dangerous loss of [medical term suppressed]. (...)

And here is why I will never, ever be revealing it (sent 3 hrs and 5 mins later):

Original Message – From: [Sock Puppet ‘S’] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:12 AM To: Richard

(...) My health has nothing to do with the list. In case you were thinking of posting it, I have NOT given you permission. (...)

To explain: it is in the very nature of that congenital illness (it can give rise to a little-known syndrome herein referred to only as, say, ‘MM’ for convenience) that the extenuating circumstances clearly mentioned lie ... specifically: it more than-adequately provides understanding for the sporadic and uncalled-for outbursts which mar so many of your posts. (Provided the above medical condition is not yet another one of your multitudinous lies that is).

The following should require no explanation:

• [Richard]: ‘... I never, ever overlook the fact that the words [in an e-mail] are written by a flesh and blood human being ... irregardless of whatever name, gender, age, place of birth or any other details which may or may not be factual [emphasis added]. I only ever talk or write in order to communicate ... I do not talk because ‘I like the sound of my own voice’, as the saying goes (...). It is that the words are being typed by a fellow human being which is important.

Spelled-out in detail: it matters not if ‘Jack’, aged 25, from London, is really ‘Jill’, aged 65, from New York, as it is a living, and thus a hurting and hurtful, human being who is sitting at the keyboard communicating with me’. Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list, No. 56c, 16 Jan 2005(a)

And that is why I went on to say (in that email you are reacting to) the following words:

[Respondent No. 4]: ‘... I’ll withhold judgement, on account of the glass house I live in. But I do hope that the person behind [whatever] public image(s) can ultimately benefit from all this, and not feel too alienated and resentful to take a fresh look at things.

[Richard]: ‘As for not feeling too alienated/ resentful and taking a fresh look at things: I will finish with the (edited) essence of the very first email the person (presumably) behind whatever public image(s) ever wrote to me: [snip quote]. Who knows ... that initial inspiration /enthusiasm may not be forever lost but just buried’.

Both No. 4 and I are clearly referring to the person behind the array of sock-puppet aliases because that is who we care about ... that living, and thus a hurting and hurtful, human being who is sitting at the keyboard communicating with us.

(... snip two irrelevant paragraphs...)

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RESPONDENT: I am just amazed how he (how anyone) can claim from a medium that enables unprecidented anonymity, that what he reads here is enough to give him factual information that he claims to be keeping confidential about an individual that he then attempts to expose ...

RICHARD: Richard did not, repeat not, attempt to expose factual information about an individual ... his simple greeting [quote] ‘G’day [Sock Puppet ‘C’]’ [endquote] is entirely in accord with the information about it being your family name you provided to all and sundry on another mailing list. Vis.:

Message No. 00147 of Archive 00/07, Subject: Re: Instincts, From: [Sock Puppet ‘S’] To: [List B] Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000.

(...) Dear [B]-list, you only know me as [Sock Puppet ‘S’] so I will stick to that to avoid confusion, but Richard knows my family name on his Actual Freedom list. (...)

And here is the pivotal post from that Actual Freedom list (when hosted by ListBot):

Subject: Re: Imagination, From: [Sock Puppet ‘C’] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 2:09 AM To: actualfreedom@...

(...) ~~~Okay, thank you very much Richard, I shall now look into this and the AF website further. Regards, [Sock Puppet ‘S’] (...)

And here is the follow-up (mea culpa) post a few days later:

Subject: Internet Aliases, From: [Sock Puppet ‘C’] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 7:59 AM To: actualfreedom@...

Damn :))) now its my turn for the ‘Whoops! Well, well, well ... ten demerits for not paying attention’, [Sock Puppet ‘C’].

P.S By the time I’ve accidentally signed all four we really will know ‘what’ I am and not who I am (...)

Even more to the point (in regards to exposing factual information about an individual): I choose my words very carefully. Vis.:

codger: a fellow, a person, esp. a strange one ...’. (Oxford Dictionary).

It was yourself who did the exposing by your all-of-sudden deleting of emails only after this following email was posted (notice and remember the time-stamp):

Message No. 5325 (Now Censored), From: ‘[No. 18]’, Date: Sat May 9, 2009 1:13 pm, Subject: Re: Once upon a time

LOL... LOL... LOL... LOL... I knew it ... I just knew s/he was a pharaoh.

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[Respondent]: This list is like a novel, for readers with incredibly unusual taste. When I read it, I get vague mental images of the characters in this book and the possible environments they live in. Richard, I was just goading, you don’t really look like Fritzl, but your silly big daddy power trip reminds me of him. Your quite handsome in fact (for an old dude) and no I’m not buttering you up, just setting the record straight. [No. 5].

[Richard]: G’day [Sock Puppet ‘C’], You’re wearing quite well yourself, considering how you are a middle-aged codger now.

Speaking of such: how is the ‘Death by Chocolate’ dessert at the Bon Ton Café these days ... still as glorious as ever?

Regards, Richard.

Up until that point none of the preceding emails had been deleted, you even answered one of them – which contained the name [Sock Puppet ‘C’]. Here is the first one, with the slightly reworded text in question surrounded top and bottom with huge smiles to indicate jesting, which you freely answered soon after (notice and remember the time-stamp):

Message No. 5318 (Now Censored), From: Richard, Date: Sat May 9, 2009 11:00 am, Subject: Re: Howler Of The Week

[Co-Respondent]: I agree Richard. I thought it was a howler when I first read it.

[Respondent]: :-))) I knew it!!! I knew I should have added ‘He’s only come here to talk to me you guys, you watch’ LOL! Hey Fritzl (that’s what really did it ;-) Can’t you see? Richard is totally predictable, like substance. He has nothing new to say, no new behaviour to show us, he’s here to talk down, to prey, and play, with not just a beautiful face :-)))))))) [No. 5]

[Richard]:

: -)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

WOW! So spiteful, [Sock Puppet ‘C’]! So frustrated and so mean! I’m calling you ‘Mean-Spirited Man’ from now on.

Go back and read the post that made you so spiteful. Nowhere did I place any burdens on you or even complain, I merely offered suggestions.

You have a lot to learn, middle-aged man. R

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And here is the original text, which that slightly reworded version came from, purely for comparison (message 4786 and message 4787):

[Respondent]: WOW! So livid No. 2! So seriously and so deranged!

I’m calling you ‘Perpetuate Man’ from now on.

Go back and read the post that made you so livid. Nowhere did I make any demands on you or even complain, I merely offered suggestions.

You have a lot to learn little man. [No. 5]

Put succinctly: my first email (posted at 11:00 am) – plus my second email, your reply to my first email, my response to your reply – sat there for all to see until shortly after ‘[No. 18]’ posted his email a long 2 hrs and 13 mins later (at 1:13 pm). It was then, and only then, that your all-of-sudden deleting began to take place. Again, I will stress that I choose my words very carefully. Vis.:

codger: a fellow, a person, esp. a strange one ...’. (Oxford Dictionary).

It would seem that the expression ‘come in spinner’ may very well be apt.

(... snip three irrelevant paragraphs...)

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RESPONDENT: P.S. (...) [Sock Puppet ‘C’] was an alias (but don’t believe that of course) and [No. 5] was too (but don’t believe that either). Maybe I really am [No. 53 List AF] but wtf does it matter ...

RICHARD: It matters this way: as I have received five death threats/ death wishes (albeit some quite juvenile), so far, the following should be self-explanatory:

[Respondent]: ‘Richard, if a fellow human being threatened to kill you, how would you respond to that?

[Richard]: ‘In accord with the legal laws of the country, of course.

[Respondent]: ‘If they succeeded, and got away with that would it be justifiable that they receive some kind of [after-death] penalty for it?

[Richard]: ‘How would such a person have ‘got away with that’ when, in accord with the legal laws of the country, such a threat was duly reported to the police and thus recorded on file for later reference? Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list, No. 49, 19 Dec 2003).

Having been an ISP myself (albeit in a small way) I am well aware of the detailed information sitting behind emails. The police force in this country are well-versed in tracing email addresses (child porn, for instance). The police also have extraordinary powers to access information civilians cannot. I am sure that, were I ever to be assassinated, they would fully use those extraordinary powers.

As I already said, in another context, this is not a child’s game; you are out there playing with the big boys and girls, now, and in the adult world grown-up laws apply.

Here’s a deal: if you will freely acknowledge all the countless lies – lies as in porkies, [Sock Puppet ‘R’] – which you scattered about to all and sundry for more than nine years, now, I am eminently capable of wiping the slate clean (as in ‘let bygones be bygones’ in the real world) completely, and starting totally afresh, as I am simply incapable of having/ holding a grudge (as in ‘no hard feelings’ in the real world).

Because it is entirely up to you I will finish with that (edited) essence of very first email the person (presumably) behind whatever public image(s) ever wrote to me:

[quote] ‘Every word you say is a bright gem in the darkness, thank you Richard. Now I understand why there can be no new identity for ego me, no new birth just total annihilation, total self immolation, no more limited beliefs in always conditional love, compassion, truth. (...) Please don’t stop helping us inquire, you are the only member on the list that makes continuous sense (...). I wait with baited breath for every no nonsense dialogue you post.

(...) Thank you from the depths of my heart Richard. (...)’. (June 29 1999)

Who knows ... that initial inspiration/ enthusiasm may not be forever lost but just buried.

Regards, Richard.

May 12 2009

Re: Internet Anonymity

RESPONDENT: I haven’t read this yet Richard because quite frankly I don’t care, it will just be more of the same, and all of it needing to be taken by faith. I’m more interested in knowing what actual caring has to do with storming into a chat room like a big oaf brandishing aliases ...

RICHARD: The reason I wrote the opening line (which you must have seen) is because of this:

[quote] ‘Richard has absolutely no confidential information about me’. [endquote].

As you knew perfectly well that Richard did indeed have confidential information about you it was, quite straight-forwardly, a lie.

Put briefly: if you stop writing these lies I will have nothing to respond to.

It is that simple.

Regards, Richard.

May 12 2009

Re: Internet Anonymity

RICHARD: To explain: it is in the very nature of that congenital illness (it can give rise to a little-known syndrome herein referred to only as, say, ‘MM’ for convenience) that the extenuating circumstances clearly mentioned lie ... specifically: it more than-adequately provides understanding for the sporadic and uncalled-for outbursts which mar so many of your posts. (Provided the above medical condition is not yet another one of your multitudinous lies that is).

RESPONDENT: DUH??? So far I’ve got this and pulled up short with a huge screech and eyes agog! because I’m stunned! Totally and utterly! What ARE you going on about??? WHAT MM? What is MM and if I research it there are most probably all kinds of MM.

I can’t believe this. How can an actually free person make up this crap without imagination? I am so totally astonished to see a complete fantasy coming from a person claims to have no imagination. And I am sad. Because truly does means I have been right all along, you really are not free and AF may never be possible. You are nothing but a word man, a spin artist whose fallen even shorter than Buddha. Sad indeed.

BTW if anyone is concerned, please don’t be, I’m as healthy as an Ox (and feel truly blessed that I’ve never had a back pain in my life). This is so sad, I shall be shaking my head in amazment and dismay all day. I don’t think I’m ready for this. I truly thought AF might be possible. Dissappointing isn’t the word, there are no words to describe the awful realisation.

RICHARD: Pass

Regards, Richard.

May 12 2009

Re: Internet Anonymity

RICHARD:

• [Richard to (Sock Puppet ‘S’)]: ‘Put briefly: if you stop writing these inaccuracies I will have nothing to respond to’. (December 06 2000).

RESPONDENT: The WORD is not actuality Richard. Regardless of what I write. If you are actually free my words (about my doubts) should not reduce you to this DESPARATE and DECIEVING attempt to get back at the doubter. I am not here to BELIEVE in words. And most certainly not yours … and especially after today. Tis a good thing I returned, to defend myself from your fabrications.

YOU ARE A LIAR Richard! and THIS is the saddest day for actualism.

RICHARD: Dream on.

Regards, Richard.

May 12 2009

Re: Internet Anonymity

RICHARD: Who knows ... that initial inspiration/ enthusiasm may not be forever lost but just buried.

RESPONDENT: This post is so long it will take more time than I have today to read it and the more I read the more I wonder why you are discussing me with anyone else on this list. This last comment had me wondering tho.

How does a man who has sussed so much about the human condition come up with the mellow dramatic statement [To No. 4 (wtf why discuss me with No. 4?)]; ‘Who knows ... that initial inspiration/ enthusiasm may not be forever lost but just buried’.

Yet you have watched me like a hawke (for some unknown reason) discuss actualism enthusiastically (albeit with doubts about YOU – and well founded now) for over 10 years.

Is this really the depths of your insight, or are you just pretending to be dumb. Christ it gets worse every minute. Man we are such a bunch of fools here. You guys have NO idea. It’s freeky.

RICHARD: Repulsive! Pass.

Regards, Richard.

May 12 2009

Re: Internet Anonymity

RESPONDENT: I can’t put this down, The more I read the more astonished I am and I’m fluctuating between moment of grief at losing so much of what I had put store in all these years (actualism that is, not your claim to AF – I have never put store in that as you know) and then moments of joy that finally I have enough evidence to free up my time.

But gees you really are quite the word spinner man. There were times when I was tempted to be fooled by you like (almost) everyone else was.

I can only shake my head in wonder that I was right. That a simple gal like me was seeing through it all correctly all this time? And I’m not even a farmers daughter. But still it’s a sad day, it looked so good on paper, I was so close to being fooled. Did keep wondering why it never worked tho, on me or anyone else. Now I know. You are still in the psyche.

RICHARD: Yawn...... PASS.

Regards, Richard.

May 12 2009

Re: No 4

RESPONDENT: You be careful No. 4. VERY VERY careful.

RESPONDENT No. 4: I’ll be alright, No. 5.

RESPONDENT: And I’ll be alright too, No. 4 :-) Just don’t believe THE WORD. The best thing we all got out of this was that we can only depend on experiential facts. All the rest is psyche and today proved (to me anyway) that Richards’ still got PLENTY of that.

Whoa! my head is still spinning over the MM fabrication. To see him blatently lie like that was such a shocker, fucking depressing in fact. There was always an element of possibility in the background and now he’s proved to me he’s a fake. Don’t be malleable No. 4, because we know how important it is for you to mean well. Be careful.

Sometimes it pays to take no shit, because then those pretending to have NONE start chucking theirs ... that’s what we have here today.

RICHARD: Boring ..... pass.

Regards, Richard.

May 12 2009

Re: No. 4

RESPONDENT No. 4: Seriously, No. 5 ... it must be worthwhile reading to the bottom

RESPONDENT: ... the most important thing I learn about me, No. 4, is that no matter what alias I use I NEVER pretend to be Ms Nice Gal/Guy. When I am, I really am, and when I’m not, I’m fucking well not! You can count on it LOL :-) But not Richard you can’t. The guys’ a phoney. His imagination is a crackin’ like a whip.

RICHARD: Tacky tactics man.

Regards, Richard.

May 12 2009

Re: [No. 9 List AF] too eh:-)

RESPONDENT:  ... as tacky as you eh? :-) LOL! Oh Man ...you have a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y NO IDEA WHO I am, do you? :-)

You fell for that photo didn’t you? Poor obsessed lying bugga

RICHARD: Pull the other one.

Regards, Richard.

May 16 2009

Re: No. 12 and [List Owner]

RESPONDENT: (...) [List owner], I notice the subject title and the first few lines of the message still appear after deletion – depending on which search option is used.

So Richard’s surname is still visible (and who he is, on those first few lines) even though the full body of the message has been deleted.

Many of the post where people discussed it have also missed detection for deletion because they don’t come up in the search box if it wasn’t in their subject title.

IOW it remains as visible as ever.

But ... when scrolling through the posts month by month, the deleted posts have successfully vanished.

RICHARD: G’day S+N+C+X+R et alia,

A brief note purely to let you know the consideration displayed, in this follow-up email of yours, has not passed unnoticed.

Thank you.

Regards, Richard.

December 04 2009

Re: Richard the Guru

RESPONDENT No. 19: [...] apart from the videos, it is primarily through the mails and the articles I know about you.

RICHARD: As the mailing list format had reached its use-by date more than a few years ago (having out-lived its usefulness), and as already signalled, it is more than likely that the personal way of knowing about me will become available, albeit selectively, some time in the new year; although it is way too early to publicly say more, at this stage, plans are afoot (subject to the funding being finalised) to not only facilitate this direct access but enable an informal inter-action with several other actualists as well.

RESPONDENT No. 14: From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_experience: ‘Recent Developments: Prof. Gad Yair from The Hebrew University has developed a line of research on Key Experiences, especially relating to educational events.

His papers on Key experiences in higher education and on the role of those experiences in educational turning points are readily available over the net. The concept of key educational experiences refers to singular, short and intense educational encounters that proved to have strong and long-lasting effects on adults. These encounters are at times associated with a specific person who led them (e.g. teacher, parent, youth leader), at others with the structure of the episode itself (e.g. progress toward a peak event which is then associated with insight and hindsight). Indeed, many respondents speak of their key educational experiences in terms of sight: Exceptional activities cause prior blinders to be suddenly lifted off, producing clear vision and insight, notably about students’ own selves.’

Richard, is this your intention?

RICHARD: No, not educational as such as all the reports/ descriptions/ explanations freely available online are already of a sufficiently informative nature as to render any further instructive material superfluous to requirements. (Items for sale are optional extras – luxury items as it were – and are not at all necessary in order to be fully-informed of just what is involved in becoming either actually or virtually free).

As to my intention in regards not only facilitating direct access to me but also enabling an informal interaction with some other actualists as well: being sans identity in toto/ the entire affective faculty (plus its epiphenomenal psychic facility) any residence or venue of mine is marked by an absence of both affective vibes and psychic currents ... a pristine ambience made all the more marked, for many a person, upon returning from the ‘real-world’ environs after a previous visit.

(For instance, my second wife would say, upon her return after an outing on her own into town, that it was like coming back in to a sanctuary. Even a stranger, a real-estate agent (known as a realtor in some places), after showing some potential clients around the duplex I was at the time renting, took me aside and told me how fresh and clean the ambience was; I said it must be because of no children, no cats or dogs, no wild parties, etc., but she looked straight into my eyes and said, ‘no, it’s you; it’s you who makes the ambience clean and fresh’).

Now, this pristine ambience is conducive to a sincere actualist activating their potential – albeit temporarily – as in some form of an out-from-control/ different-way-of-being (to whatever degree of intimacy they be comfortable with at the time). Furthermore, experience has shown that these intimacy experiences can be contagious, so to speak, for other sincere actualists also present as the atmosphere generated affectively/ psychically by the first to be out-from-control/ in a different-way-of-being can propagate a flow-on effect, on occasion.

In short: a felicitous and innocuous atmosphere, begotten in an ever-fresh affectless/ selfless ambience, fosters a milieu where happiness and harmlessness can be the norm rather than the exception.

As I have already provided one of the reasons why I finally agreed to a personal-meeting request earlier on this year (in March 2009) and another one only a couple of months ago (for January 2010) – after declining each and every such request for twelve years – it is apropos to mention that the pivotal factor in my turnabout was the incontrovertible fact that a fellow human being had a 5-month PCE which was triggered solely by, and during, a personal conversation with me in a casual setting.

There was no way I could deny it/ ignore it/ dismiss it and/or brush it aside – even if I had wanted to – as she was quite clear to others that, were it not for this interaction, it would never have happened.

It thus became obvious that by continuing to keep myself locked away, so to speak, in an exclusive nuclear couple/ nuclear family type of living arrangement there would continue to be a denial of access, to my fellow human beings at large, for any such potentially potent interactions. (Please note that nothing is guaranteed, however, as anything of such a nature is entirely dependent upon where the other is currently at, where they are coming from, and what their overall intent is).

RESPONDENT No. 14: I ask this because you (or Peter, I don’t remember) also wrote about the mentorship in actualism practice.

RICHARD: Maybe you are referring to this:

• [Respondent]: ‘Do you think you’re the best guru ever?

• [Peter]: ‘No. If you had read anything of what I have written, you would have realised I regard Guru-ship as a demeaning profession, both for the disciple and He/She who swans around demanding trust, surrender and worship by others. The whole rotten set up has had its day. It was so good to get out of it and regain my will that I had surrendered.

P.S. What I found with Richard was a mentor, a guide, an expert on the Human Condition – and a fellow human being’. Peter, List C, No 12, 05.12.1998

I speak of acting as a mentor in Article 19, of ‘Richard’s Journal’, entitled ‘War is the inevitable outcome of being ‘human’ (The inhumanity of humankind is legendary)’ and a copy of the three relevant paragraphs can be found here (fourth section down): Richard, Selected Writing, Peace

Incidentally, for those who find the word mentor off-putting the following is worth a read: (Richard, The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list, No. 12k, 12Jul01). Basically, what I mean is a sharing of experience with my fellow human being – a comparing of notes as it were – and whatever understanding arising from that is open to discussion ... as in reports/ descriptions/ explanations and clarifications of any and all misunderstanding which may ensure.

Nothing at all formal ... just an easy chat about whatever.

RESPONDENT (as Sockpuppet E): Alright! seems like plans afoot to create an ashram.

RICHARD: Ha ... come in spinner.

Regards, Richard.

February 17 2012

RESPONDENT No. 37 (Sock Puppet ‘I’): Let’s see how Richard with alexithymia will see the world. His mind is not able to make a relation between affect and the sensations that go with it. He has all the usual physical reactions of affect but those do not get registered in his brain as affective in nature.

RESPONDENT No. 4: Yep. Hence the the ‘magical prodigies’. What would once have been experienced as his own psyche / his own affective phenomena has been split off from his conscious mind (which is very common in a variety of neurological and psychiatric disorders) and has to be experienced as ‘other’. And because Richard is so prone to magical thinking, delusions of grandeur and ideas of reference, they’re experienced as ‘magical prodigies’ bestowed upon him by the actual universe for being the genitor of a whole new consciousness, with epoch making implications.

Sad. Funny. Ridiculous. Scary.

RESPONDENT (Sock Puppet ‘H’): Like bring it ON! the hatchet job that is, so No. 4 can GTF outta here ;-)

RICHARD: G’day No. 5, I am not in the business of doing a ‘hatchet job’ on anyone.

The person identifying as ‘Respondent No. 4’ on this forum, and ‘John Wilde’ on another forum, has a whole lot of explaining to do in regards to his actions.

The laws regarding libel, slander, defamation of character – especially with malice aforethought – are quite explicit and far-reaching.

Properly dated/ time-stamped screen-shots have been meticulously taken of every instance where ‘Richard & his associates’ have been maligned, libelled and defamed.

I have warned you all on several occasions but it seems that nothing but the full weight of the law will stop you.

So be it ... proceed at your peril (especially you, No. 4 <real name deleted>).

Regards, Richard.

February 21 2012

Re: Actual Freedom or actual imitation?

RESPONDENT No. 37 (Sock Puppet ‘I’): ‘When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other’ Eric Hoffer

RESPONDENT (Sock Puppet ‘H’): So true! I was thinking of replying to Claudiu’s post (most/but not all of which I could not agree with more) yes: if Richard is so free why is he still as confrontational as me?

RICHARD: Richard is not confrontational – let alone as confrontational as you – and just because Claudiu says Richard is confrontational does not change that fact one iota. (Golly, he even explained, at the time, how ‘he’ was projecting (as in automorphism).

RESPONDENT (Sock Puppet ‘H’): I only become that way when I’ve lost patience, what’s ‘his’ excuse?

RICHARD: See? You are projecting how you ‘become that way’ (as in having ‘lost patience’ as an excuse for being confrontational) onto Claudiu’s projection (that ‘Richard is confrontational’) and then demand to know what excuse that phantom ‘Richard’ of his (Claudiu’s) has for being like you are when you lose patience ... you even put the word his in smart quotes when referring to that phantom.

(This is such a basic psychological ploy it features in ‘Psychology 101’ and discussing the ins and outs of such basic psychology, such as what these very sentences are about, holds no interest for me and is not likely to happen again).

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Look, there is no way or manner possible of conveying how ‘everyone has it 180 degrees wrong’ without it (what is being conveyed) being confronting.

Instead of finding fault in the way or manner it (what is being conveyed) is being conveyed look instead at what is being conveyed and try to find fault in that.

And here is a clue: it is because no fault can be found in what is being conveyed that the focus shifts onto the way or manner it (what is being conveyed) is being conveyed instead.

(Again, this is such a basic psychological ploy it features in ‘Psychology 101’ and discussing the ins and outs of such basic psychology, such as what these very sentences are about, holds no interest for me and is not likely to happen again).

December 31 2012

Re: it is impossible to marry Actualism and Buddhism

RICHARD to No. 37 (Sock Puppet ‘I’): I will again ask: does the fact you keep on typing this kind of stuff out, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, not give you pause to ask yourself, at least on occasion, just what it is you are doing with your life?

RESPONDENT No. 5 (Sock Puppet ‘H’): WTF? you arrogant bastard! what business is it of yours what ...

RICHARD: I am interjecting mid-sentence so as to better have your own words illustrate the cause-effect nature – action/ behaviour/ deed –>result/ outcome/ consequence – of it being *you* who makes it my business via typing this kind of stuff out, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.

And when I say ‘year after year’ I am not exaggerating as you have admitted to that very fact yourself (in June this year).

[... snipped quotes ...]

Lastly, this stuff you make-up and type out, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, will have grave consequences if you persist in telling lies which malign libel and defame.

For instance, the following lies of yours in regards to attempted murder – of which properly dated and time-stamped screenshots have been taken and safely stored – constitute, without any doubt whatsoever, an actionable case. Vis.:

#11xxx
From: humanbeingafellow
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:29 am
Subject: Re: Richard: stepping aside
[...].
i don’t see how horrifying your visitors by dragging a terrified woman across the floor from one room to another then sitting one’s large male frame on her small chest and threatening to strangle her by squeezing her throat till shes breathless is NOT out right primal violence ??? THAT is not freedom from any condition.
its been done by male apes for millions of years. it is NOT the behaviour of an intelligent ‘kind’ 100% harmless, free-from-aggression, human being ...and thats just one of the many contradictory examples of Richard’s violating behaviour.
[...].

How you managed to become a middle-aged codger without comprehending that there are consequences, to such actions/ behaviours/ deeds as you perform online, has got me beat.

Also, the fact you have been thus engaged for 13 years (on your own cognisance for 15 years) it clearly amounts to a case of persecution as well.

So be it ... proceed at your own peril.

RESPONDENT No. 5 (Sock Puppet ‘H’): cut the crap and address those reports NOW! to wit: ‘that youre a perverted woman bashing ...

RICHARD: I am stopping you right there solely for the sake of demonstrating something you have quite evidentially overlooked ... namely: there are no [quote] ‘reports’ [endquote] to the effect of me being a woman-basher (let alone a ‘perverted’ one).

So, here is your opportunity before you go on and make it even worse for yourself than you already have: if you can produce those so-called reports of [quote] ‘woman bashing’ [endquote] then I will indeed address them, as demanded so emphatically by you, and ... um ... then ‘get tapping NOW!’.

Note well, this is a one-off opportunity because, as I enunciated unambiguously in Message No. 11315, there is no way I am going to rebut/ refute each and every one of all that made-up stuff about a phantom ‘Richard’ who has no existence outside of passionate imagination. Vis.:

#11315
From: richard.actualfreedom
Date: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:22 am
Subject: Re: IF
[...].
Also, for those wanting me to rebut/ refute all that made-up stuff about a phantom ‘Richard’ who has no existence outside of passionate imagination, do you realise I would have a full-time job monitoring the entire world-wide-web, on a daily basis, seeking out all the stuff peoples are making up and then typing out rebuttals – searching through all my writings, in the process of doing so, for applicable quotes complete with references – and then uploading onto a special ‘Rebuttals Page’ section on The Actual Freedom Trust website?

Do you further realise that this would invite even more stuff being made up about me (once the perpetrators cotton on to the fact that all they have to do is tap out anything they like on whatever forum they choose) as experience has shown that rebuttals – setting the record straight – beget evermore made-up stuff to be rebutted? [...]. Richard to Rick, 21 February 2012

I would suggest accessing that URL as there is both a demonstration and further explanation regarding the entire matter.

Lastly, if you do not produce those so-called reports of [quote] ‘woman bashing’ [endquote] then by not doing so you are tacitly admitting, to all and sundry, they do not exist.

So, here is your one-off opportunity ... and you would be well-advised to not waste it.

Regards, Richard.

December 31 2012

Re: it is impossible to marry Actualism and Buddhism

RICHARD to No. 37 (Sock Puppet ‘I’): I will again ask: does the fact you keep on typing this kind of stuff out, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, not give you pause to ask yourself, at least on occasion, just what it is you are doing with your life?

RESPONDENT No. 5 (Sock Puppet ‘H’): WTF? you arrogant bastard! what business is it of yours what ...

RICHARD: I am interjecting mid-sentence so as to better have your own words illustrate the cause-effect nature – action/ behaviour/ deed –>result/ outcome/ consequence – of it being *you* who makes it my business via typing this kind of stuff out, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.

And when I say ‘year after year’ I am not exaggerating as you have admitted to that very fact yourself (in June this year). Vis.:

#11669
From: humanbeingafellow
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:07 am
Subject: Re: a place to discuss freedom without the abuse...
[...].
i write what i do and how i do, to make it plain as day that i’m not interested in discussing Richard’s delusional AF, PCEs, EEs or onion slices. i merely pop in every now and then – having followed Richard’s discussions and shenanigans closely over the past 15 years – with key words for those as uninformed as yourself to do their research with, if (and that’s a big IF) they really wish to find out just what’s been going down here.
[...].

And again only recently (in December this year) you reaffirmed what you admitted in your above post. Vis.:

#12105
From: humanbeingafellow
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:58 am
Subject: Re: wow !
[...].
its nothing new. way back in ‘97 i saw what [Respondent No. 4] eventually reported after meeting him in 2010 (and wonder whether he may have feigned gullibility to witness that for us).
[...].

Although, your 15 years/1997 dating is incorrect – you are out by two years – as it was 13 years ago (on Tuesday, the 18th of May 1999 to be precise) that you first subscribed to an online forum I had already been writing to for five months or so. Vis.:

Message #01124 of Archive 99/05:
Subject: Hello All
From: Skye Chambers <skyechambers@...>
To: Listening-l <Listening-l@...>
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:53:53 +1000
Sender: listening-l-owner@...
Hello everyone, I’ve just joined the list today after trying for weeks to subscribe, but at last with [List-owner’s] help finally I made it, whew.
I first came across the Krishnamurti’s books as an occasional member of the Sydney branch of the TS, about 20 years ago. I found them difficult to understand at that young age, but now his mental clarity is a delight to me.
[...].

And, while I am at it, you also acknowledged, a little over a year later, that [quote] ‘Richard knows my family name’ [endquote]. Vis.:

Message No. 00147 of Archive 00/07:
Subject: Re: Instincts
From: Skye Chambers <skyechambers@...>
To: listening-l@...
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000.
Dear K-list, you only know me as Skye so I will stick to that to avoid confusion, but Richard knows my family name on his Actual Freedom list.
[...].

And the reason why you said that [quote] ‘Richard knows my family name’ [endquote] is because of what you had written on The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list a few days earlier. Vis.:

From: Charlie Bragg <mailto:chazbragg@...>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 2:09 AM
To: Actual Freedom <actualfreedom@...>
Subject: Re: Imagination
[...].
my brothers call this flesh and blood sister Chas.
:-) and yes Richard, Chaz is fine a chas sis too ;-)
[...].
~~~Okay, thank you very much Richard, i shall now look into this and the AF website further.
Regards, Skye (see )

In your follow-up ‘whoops’ email you admitted to having at least four internet email aliases. Vis.:

From: Charlie Bragg <mailto:chazbragg@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 7:59 AM
To: Actual Freedom <actualfreedom@...>
Subject: Internet Aliases
Damn :))) now its my turn for the ‘Whoops! Well, well, well . ten demerits for not paying attention’,
Chaz.
P.S By the time I’ve accidentally signed all four we really will know ‘what’ I am and not who i am, yes?
Hohoho ;)))))

And, fast-forwarding to May 12, 2009, you admitted to using at least nine (9) internet email aliases. Vis.:

#5494
From: Skye
Date: Tue May 12, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: Re: c’est la vie
[...].
And there you have it. What did I tell you all? He was only here to play his sandbox games with me.
To slander my *immaculate* reputation here sob sob LOL :-)))
And this obsession with all my me’s has gone on for over 10 years now.
S+C+T+B+R+N+K+M+V ... etc.etc.etc. :-)))))) (see more here)

As for my query about ‘just what it is you are doing with your life’ your very own words, in the following post (when you unsubscribed from this forum in May 2009), should surely be self-explanatory. Vis.:

#5594
From: Skye
Date: Fri May 15, 2009 7:40 am
Subject: Re: Bye yee :-) skyebellau
[...].
Other than that there’s only two reasons I’m outta here.
The first I had already explained in a post before Richard came along. I am deathly tired of cyberspace. Every word I write (like now) has become a chore. I just want my actual life back now, 24/7 plain and simple [...].
This is an exciting time for me, like getting out of prison :-)))
Have a wonderful life everyone.
AtoZ

Lastly, this stuff you make-up and type out, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, will have grave consequences if you persist in telling lies which malign, libel and defame.

For instance, the following lies of yours in regards to attempted murder – of which properly dated and time-stamped screenshots have been taken and safely stored – constitute, without any doubt whatsoever, an actionable case. Vis.:

#11682
From: humanbeingafellow
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:29 am
Subject: Re: Richard: stepping aside
[...].
i don’t see how horrifying your visitors by dragging a terrified woman across the floor from one room to another then sitting one’s large male frame on her small chest and threatening to strangle her by squeezing her throat till shes breathless is NOT out right primal violence ??? THAT is not freedom from any condition.
its been done by male apes for millions of years. it is NOT the behaviour of an intelligent ‘kind’ 100% harmless, free-from-aggression, human being ...and thats just one of the many contradictory examples of Richard’s violating behaviour.
[...].

How you managed to become a middle-aged codger without comprehending that there are consequences, to such actions/ behaviours/ deeds as you perform online, has got me beat.

Also, the fact you have been thus engaged for 13 years (on your own cognisance for 15 years) it clearly amounts to a case of persecution as well.

So be it ... proceed at your own peril.

Regards, Richard.

January 9 2013

Re: the lack of censorship

#12xxx
From: [Respondent No. 5 (Sock Puppet ‘H’)]
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:18 am
Subject: New direction for the list: aye yet again…:) .. What Say Ye.

• [Respondent No. 24]: What I propose is discussion about what is proposed by Richard but with no presumptions made about the validity about AF. In other words this list would be for discussion about the principles/ approach proposed, practice and what is discovered plus what the personal accounts suggests but not the individuals. The list would be moderated to ensure helpful atmosphere. [...] To those who are just against AF or Richard, I think you have been given fare chance to voice your concerns/ opinions without any interference from me and can be assured that they will remain on record… Of course the other option for those interested is to start afresh on a new list...
• [Respondent No. 5 (Sock Puppet ‘H’)]: and for the folks who do decide to stay (of which i will NOT be one) remember that [...]

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#12xxx
From: [Respondent No. 5 (Sock Puppet ‘H’)]
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:24 am
Subject: Re: the lack of censorship

• [Respondent No. 00]: [...]
• [Respondent No. 5 (Sock Puppet ‘H’)]: you asking me? to answer your crap? not a fucking chance ---

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#12xxx
From: [Respondent No. 5 (Sock Puppet ‘H’)]
Date: Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:46 am
Subject: Re: Common Sense and Facts

• [Respondent No. 37 (Sock Puppet ‘I’)]: No. 4, Vineeto has mentioned everyone but Tom (maybe he is the one whose name has been withheld, if so, then why?) has not been mentioned and wasn’t it him who you went to walk with and who told you what is going on and you reported accordingly?

If the above is true, then it doesn’t matter how much common sense and facts Vineeto brings until Tom himself writes here as to what happened and what he thinks about all this now. It will be more factual as well as have more common sense if Peter can say something about all this, not just Tom.

• [Respondent No. 5 (Sock Puppet ‘H’)]: draw the line [No. 37 (Sock Puppet ‘I’)]. [...]. unless youre a cripple with nothing better to do than sit in front of a pc hounding AFers and giving Richard the kind of attention mentally handicapped juveniles thrive then Peters head trip is no concern of ours ...

RICHARD: Wow, that is such belittling language, [No. 5], it makes me wonder whether you talk to your bro like that in real life.

RESPONDENT (Sock Puppet ‘H’): ... or any other AF claimant. Vineeto only dragged others into this to support his phony AF and to HELP RICHARD AVOID ANSWERING the critical questions. once he does that, all these *hardcore* actualists psyching themselves up – as the human mind has done since history began – into ASC PCEs, EEs, VFs and AFs etc etc ad-nauseum can get back to their own ACTUAL lives and do whatever they want with whether Richard’s ‘pure intent’ was EVER any purer than normal human corrupt behaviour.

so Richard, start tapping, because the sooner as you answer that to that article, the sooner i’ll be outta here.

RICHARD: As I did ‘start tapping’ (Message No. 12674) and totally answered not only ‘that to that article’ but to each and all any such text then there is nowt left to stop you from being [quote] ‘outta here’ [end quote] right now, this very instant.

There is no need to reply ... it is all over, finished, kaput.

Regards, Richard.


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