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(List D refers to Richard’s List D
Vineeto’s Selected Correspondence Compassion
CHRONO: So I ended up reading this correspondence [re psychic web VINEETO: Hi Chrono, I am pleased to hear you were able to not only become aware of physic vibes but also to notice how most of the vibes are about “a “battle” or undercurrent in what they are saying versus what they are being”. And, as you say, the same battle is happing inside yourself. Particularly in a partnership it is easy to fall into a pattern of having to be ‘right’ rather than being sensible and interested in harmony and intimacy. CHRONO: At work I was speaking with someone casually (while I was feeling good) and noticed intuitively how I had an automatic “tuning in” to the other person. How I was being pulled to them in a way and I instinctually pulled back. Which instinctive tug-of-war is apparent now in every interaction. Just yesterday I also saw actively while speaking with my partner how it was ‘me’ that was in the way when I was offering my thoughts to her. The moment I dropped below feeling good while speaking with her, I noted what it was. And in every instance it was my expectation or desire of how I wanted her to receive my thoughts. And that seeing was enough for me to get back to feeling good. It didn’t matter how she received it as long as I was really feeling happy and harmless. And it’s strange as I write that as it seems like I’m being accused of being uncaring. But I also note how completely different this is from the application of morality as even an action imbued with love is also an exertion of power. So much interaction is actually a subliminal power battle and it makes me wonder what exactly is the need for it. VINEETO: Well observed. When you say “how I wanted her to receive my thoughts” you would understand that she instinctually wants the same thing – so when you, for instance, stand back a while and allow her to express her thoughts and her feelings, there is a good chance she will want to understand yours. Your fear of “being uncaring” is responsible for needing to convince her that you are not uncaring (via having your thoughts received, rather than acting in a caring way such as listening attentively, for instance). * VINEETO: Well, you not only identify with the ‘many’ who suffer but you also describe/ imagine a compassionate ideal how society should be organized instead, for yourself and others. As each and everyone can only change one person, themselves, the only way you can actually do something beneficial is to change yourself and become free from the human condition for everyone’s benefit. As a suggestion – instead of only looking at the negative feelings of “resentment, indignation, obedience, etc” only, check out which ‘good’ feelings keep this resentment in place. There could be compassion, which you alleviate with virtuous high morals/ ethics, and/or the feeling of belonging to the ‘many’ who suffer. Perhaps you find some other ‘brownie points’ which presently keep you trapped. I am reminded of the brilliant way Richard parsed compassion in two of the Audio-taped Dialogues – (snipped). CHRONO: I’ve never looked at it in the way of seeing it as compassion before but it does make sense. VINEETO: Before you hone into compassion as one option, did you notice that looking at the ‘good’ feelings, you might be invested in, gives a whole new perspective to your negative feelings of “resentment, indignation, obedience”? There are always two sides to one’s persistent negative feelings and mostly one’s personal investment into the hedonically pleasant side of them is overlooked. CHRONO: There are times I do imagine being a “Saviour” and how if I could just end the suffering of others I would. All the while in the back of my head, I know it to be very insincere as I would at root be the same as everyone else. Reading that audio-taped dialogue, what I realized is how any action taken by being the love or compassion is ultimately bound to fail (in effecting peace and harmony). I can see how this fits in with the psychic web as well. I am reminded of an instance where one of my friends had been sharing her emotional turmoil in regards her relationship. The entire time she was talking I was tuned into how she was feeling and as I was suggesting my advice to her, I was simultaneously and subliminally turning her ‘bad’ feeling into a ‘good’ feeling in myself and reflecting it back at her. But I found doing this kind of thing as rather exhausting. VINEETO: Yes, it sounds very exhausting what you were practicing, and in the long run it is ineffective because both sympathy and compassion literally means ‘suffering together’. Did you notice that both “being a ‘Saviour’” and releasing of the (imagined or real) charge of being uncaring are part of your actions? Empathetic caring is a different matter (empathy meaning ‘in-feeling’) –
By the way, Richard was accused many times of not caring CHRONO: And I can’t seem to find the correspondence so I may be off in my recall but I remember reading something Richard wrote where how the help or caring being provided when one is compassionate or empathetic is the very compassion or empathy itself and not any actual help. That has stuck with me for some reason. VINEETO: There is a long correspondence with Srinath about compassion, empathy burn-out
and near-actual caring. You might also find this excerpt informative –
CHRONO: But back to identifying with the ‘many’ who
suffer. I tune into the suffering because I feel that by tuning in I could do something about it. But now I find that
the only action I can take is compassion and/or becoming a “Saviour” of some sort. Then also I must tune in
(which I note that the tuning in is also being the suffering) or otherwise I am accused of being selfish. I’ve
noted this before so I’m going in circles maybe. But seeing as how even the biggest action of Compassion (such as
that with Buddha) has not alleviated the suffering, what other action could there be aside from compassion? What is
it to be of an actual help? VINEETO: Now that you mentioned the “Saviour” twice, and having to avoid being accused of being selfish, uncaring, callous several times – isn’t it time to investigate the root of the problem – the worry about being selfish and uncaring – rather than activate compassion which you already know does nothing to alleviate the suffering? The traditional cure to being selfish is to put the other before oneself – in other words, only seeing the dichotomy of being ‘selfish’ and being compassionate/unselfish as a choice. Actualism is about becoming less ‘self’-centric (less ego-centric or soul-centric), with the implicit understanding that it is the ‘self’ which is the problem, both in its selfish or its unselfish expression. For instance – [Emphasis added]. And because this concern of yours is so persistent, there might be an additional sticking point – the issue of belonging, perhaps? I’ll stop here and answer the rest in a separate post. Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: … once you eliminate/ abandon the resentment of having to work, perhaps you
start enjoying what you do for earning a living, so that enjoying and appreciating being alive is not interrupted
every time you go to work. CHRONO: I must say I had to read this three times because I did not quite “get it” but I was able to apprehend something intuitively with the following two parts that stuck out to me:
VINEETO: This story is about an older feeling being giving practical advice to child how to deal with an unwanted workload, there is nothing more mysterious about it. However, a lot of adults keep dragging out unpleasant tasks instead of ‘getting to it’. Chrono: I will also comment that one of the reasons that I resent having to work is the unpleasantness of vibes. But previously I was “helpless” so now I do not have to be. VINEETO: This is an excellent discovery. Being aware of unpleasant vibes helps a lot not to be drawn in to the psychic battle and you keep on feeling good without having to respond in kind. When you inadvertently get drawn in, there is most like a ‘hook’ on your side and you can ferret out your own reason for any affective involvement. * VINEETO: Ah well, this comic-strip video is a very crude, and inaccurate, representation of what Richard is talking about. Richard is not talking about physical violence as presented in that video. He is referring to verbal affective (and psychic) insults, which are quite consequential in the real world to start a heavy brawl or a never-ending feud or the massive sexual molestation/ harassment (…) CHRONO: I was more likening Spongebob in that video to the figurative sponge that absorbs insults and the attacker as delivering the rudeness, insults, and slights with his punches. And further in the video, Spongebob goes about his day happily while the “punches” have no effect as he is a sponge and neither does he have to wringe it out. And in the final part, it was shown that his attacks fell flat (also found funny that this aggressor’s name was Flats). Although I am aware that it’s not saying the same thing as Richard. Or I could be off the mark even with that understanding. Either way it may be too much of a digression. VINEETO: It is unfortunate that it being a moving image and not just text, it had far more impact on you than such an improbably fantasy deserves. You better cast this image of how insults are absorbed out of your mind. Fact is that once you have the intent of not responding automatically to insults and slights, you actually root out the cause for feeling insulted from your own psyche, such as a certain self-image, pride, ideas what a man should do and similar concepts. CHRONO: But to come back to the topic, I do find it interesting that giving and taking offence relates directly to vibes and psychic currents. Now that I am casting more attention on this phenomenon, I am rather astonished at how much of a role it plays in the real world. Maybe respect and disrespect as it is talked about in the real world also relates to giving and taking offence. I liken this part to “keeping your hands in your pockets”:
VINEETO: Yes, it does relate. Both respect and disrespect, fear and authority is overwhelmingly established on the psychic level. As Richard says, that’s where the real power play takes place, especially via the stronger psychic currents which are instantaneously transmitted over long distances. But you can step out of this tug-of-war game altogether and keep your hands in your pocket, while eliminating the reason in you which may cause you to feel insulted. Then you will no longer be a target (most of the time). That is what I mean when I say one becomes more and more anonymous. CHRONO: My question now is, if as a ‘being’, I am always involuntarily transmitting and receiving vibes and psychic currents, how can I as a ‘being’ have this affective and psychic attacking/ defending fall flat? VINEETO: Simply by your intent to be happy and harmless and to keep feeling good. It’s a different value to the ‘battle’ of right and wrong, superior/ inferior others want to draw you into. In other words, you play a different game altogether. CHRONO: My current understanding is that the conceiving of being a sponge is maintaining the intent to be happy and harmless in every situation or circumstance. I would still experience those vibes and have a reaction accordingly, but I would neither repress or express them if they came up. To bring it back to more of an experiential understanding, I wrote earlier that how I was able to choose feeling good. This understanding came when I realized that there are no rules or anyone standing in my way in being happy and harmless and that it is my choice alone. I can feel good come what may and it is ‘me’ that is standing in the way. This section was very elucidating:
The part that I bolded sticks out to me the most and has been happening
more and more. VINEETO: You got it in one. It’s your experiential understanding you can “can feel good come what may and it is ‘me’ that is standing in the way”. Brilliant. Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: Given you raised the topic of “on the road to being insane and
abnormal” – I highly recommend Richard’s two Selected Correspondences on Sanity, Insanity
and the Third Alternative CHRONO: Hi Vineeto, I have been reading this correspondence and reflecting. It’s clear from the real-world perspective that anything other than sanity is insanity. But to remain sane is to leave things as they are. This being the case as nowhere and nowhen has there been genuine peace. The sane thing to do also seems to be to simply pay lip service to peace and harmony and leave it as an ideal to attain but never achieve. The insidious part of sanity is the denial of what being sane entails. What is dawning on me at the moment is that to evince peace and harmony would be to leave the felt “safety” of being sane (which is felt to be insanity) behind. But I am not entirely familiar with insanity as a way of being as in (bold emphasis added):
I think the closest I would say is being in love or when I took a psychedelic substance once. But I can see that insanity seems to be a difference in degree to sanity rather than kind. So perhaps just as “being in love” is sane so it is when it’s taken all the way to the extreme to enlightenment. But I do see how much sanity is the problem. VINEETO: It was similar for ‘Vineeto’ – to realise that being sane meant for ‘her’ accepting all the wars, murder, child abuse and general violence as being ‘normal’, i.e. sane, and therefore not safe at all. ‘She’ also had little experience of what insanity means – once a close friend had a longer lasting psychotic experience and it was quite terrifying for ‘her’. Throughout the whole time of actualism the fear of going inadvertently insane remained a prevalent threat, and ‘her’ out-from-control episode was testimony to that –
So both your assessments that “insanity seems to be a difference in degree to sanity rather than kind” and that “how much sanity is the problem” are to the point and will stand you in good stead when encountering any altered states of consciousness or atavistic fears regarding sanity and insanity such as you detailed below. * VINEETO: Well observed. When you say “how I wanted her to receive my thoughts” you would understand that she instinctually wants the same thing – so when you, for instance, stand back a while and allow her to express her thoughts and her feelings, there is a good chance she will want to understand yours. Your fear of “being uncaring” is responsible for needing to convince her that you are not uncaring (via having your thoughts received, rather than acting in a caring way such as listening attentively, for instance). CHRONO: Ah actually your pointing this out helped me to notice it. My fear of being uncaring is what causes a lot of the suffering for me. What I realize now as I am typing this is that underlying the thought of abandoning compassion is the feeling that I will go insane. As in become a sociopath. But I am now swinging to the opposite. So what would it mean to abandon both? I cannot imagine it. VINEETO: You have no need to “imagine it” – from the experience you described when “not being ‘me’” there were no concerns of being a “sociopath”, were there? As such you know as an experiential fact that minimising both ‘good’ and bad feelings, i.e. minimising ‘me’, is outside the range of sane and insane, it is being salubrious. This fact answers your question directly – “to abandon both” you become more and more salubrious. (…) CHRONO: I did connect the dots after you pointed it out. The good feelings of “being a Saviour” are created to counter the bad feelings of “the charge of being uncaring”. VINEETO: Empathetic caring is a different matter (empathy meaning ‘in-feeling’) –
By the way, Richard was accused many times of not caring CHRONO: To some extent, I had been lumping all feeling caring such as sympathetic caring, compassionate caring, empathetic caring, etc as the same thing, but it makes sense to note the differences and seeing how empathetic caring plays a part until the end. VINEETO: For a feeling being all caring is accompanied by feelings, so a useful discernment would be to be less guided by what others expect you to do, or you yourself feel obligated to do, according to traditional beliefs and concepts, but instead be harmless, considerate and benevolent. CHRONO: Also interesting seeing that correspondence of people accusing Richard of not being caring when everything he’s done has been an actual caring in action. What it highlights for me is how actual caring is not guided by what others feel. In contrast to feeling caring, which seems to be all about affirming and endorsing ‘me’ (self-centred). Which further highlights that there’s really only one action that ‘I’ can do which would be the closest to actual caring. VINEETO: Well said. * VINEETO: Now that you mentioned the “Saviour” twice, and having to avoid being accused of being selfish, uncaring, callous several times – isn’t it time to investigate the root of the problem – the worry about being selfish and uncaring – rather than activate compassion which you already know does nothing to alleviate the suffering? The traditional cure to being selfish is to put the other before oneself – in other words, only seeing the
dichotomy of being ‘selfish’ and being compassionate/unselfish as a choice. Actualism is about becoming less ‘self’-centric
(less ego-centric or soul-centric), with the implicit understanding that it is the ‘self’ which is the problem,
both in its selfish or its unselfish expression. For instance – (snip quote
And because this concern of yours is so persistent, there might be an additional sticking point – the issue of belonging, perhaps? CHRONO: I can see that if I look at the root of the problem – worry about being selfish and uncaring – then the underlying feelings are I will go insane and simultaneously lose all connection to Humanity. And the thought goes something like, “if I lose the connection to Humanity, then how can I care for them (while also receiving the reward of good feelings for that caring)?”. I am reminded of something my dad often said to me if I were to talk of these types of matters with him. It goes something like, ‘oh you think you know better than the billions of people that are alive right now?’. Which lesson I presume he wanted to impress on me was to humble myself. And which lesson seems to have worked because in being humbled, I am staying in line and being obedient. As opposed to going out of line and lashing out in some way. VINEETO: This underlying atavistic fear of “I will go insane and simultaneously lose all connection to Humanity” is universal, only varying in strength and expression. Those cast out from the tribe could not survive on their own. I remember ‘Vineeto’ once had strong fears of being condemned/ burnt as a witch if anyone found out what a traitor to the human condition ‘she’ was.
Such feelings are all part and parcel of being a pioneer. However, for actualism to work you don’t have to openly rebel, or act inappropriately – you progressively cease believing in the various rules and concepts whilst paying lip service, when necessary, with the sincere intent to be more felicitous and innocuous. It’s only when there is still a belief, or doubt, on a particular subject, that the person feels compelled to publicly act out either the belief or demonstratively act out the opposite. * VINEETO: It is unfortunate that it being a moving image and not just text, it had far more impact on you than such an improbably fantasy deserves. You better cast this image of how insults are absorbed out of your mind. Fact is that once you have the intent of not responding automatically to insults and slights, you actually root out the cause for feeling insulted from your own psyche, such as a certain self-image, pride, ideas what a man should do and similar concepts. CHRONO: Your comment made me think about how much imagination plays a part in sustaining ‘me’. Imagining and ‘me’ seem to go hand in hand. It seems to be the very substance of ‘me’. VINEETO: Yes, when you observe your feelings closely you will see that a lot of the feeling-created scenario in your mind is interwoven with imagined thoughts or action, and the more emotional you feel, the wilder the imagination progresses. They belong together –
* CHRONO: My question now is, if as a ‘being’, I am always involuntarily transmitting and receiving vibes and psychic currents, how can I as a ‘being’ have this affective and psychic attacking/ defending fall flat? VINEETO: Simply by your intent to be happy and harmless and to keep feeling good. It’s a different value to the ‘battle’ of right and wrong, superior/ inferior others want to draw you into. In other words, you play a different game altogether. CHRONO: Yes I am noticing that it is an entirely different
value. Completely different from ‘me’. I cannot keep one part of ‘me’ while trying to eliminate the other
part. It’s the entirety of ‘me’. All of ‘reality’ VINEETO: Specifically, you cannot keep the ‘good’ feelings, or what you value highly, such as pride, honour, virtue, belonging, whilst discarding the bad feelings. This does not work without suppression or hypocrisy. And isn’t it a wonderful relief and joy when one portion of the inner push-and-pull battle has disappeared completely? Cheers Vineeto
CHRONO: All of this [benefits of contagiousness of felicitous feelings and quote re being ‘selfish’] started to make me think again how peace on earth is already always existing. It made me pause and think how ‘I’ could never create peace on earth. Thus peace on earth is also not for ‘me’. ‘I’ am the corruption preventing it. What ‘I’ had been doing is to try to bring it about through Good feelings. This is hard for ‘me’ to face viscerally as it means ‘I’ am not needed in any way at all. The experience is like getting very close to the center of the whirlpool of ‘being’. Everything is pulled to revolve around ‘me’. It’s incredible just how deep self-centricity runs. The instinct is that ‘I’ will do anything as long as ‘I’ survive. I was also again thinking on what being harmless means. And the arrows of ‘being selfish’ fall flat when I realize that to be empathetically and compassionately helping any ‘other’ is only to be helping ‘me’. This feeling caring is for ‘me’ only. So that ‘I’ am affirmed and survive. VINEETO: This last paragraph really puts it well. Rather than suppressing the feeling of
empathy for the plight of the other/ for humanity you start becoming aware where your feelings and consequent actions
are “for ‘me’ only”. You will notice that when you are feeling good/ feeling excellent, your
caring consideration will be less ‘self’-centric and can segue into a near-actual-caring, which is still an
affective caring as long as you are a feeling being. Again, Richard’s correspondence with Srinath * VINEETO: (…) This caring (becoming as harmless as possible and moving towards a near-actual caring) is of course not to be confused with the feeling caring that is taught as part of the (religious) morals and ethics of society. One is taught to be un-selfish, to put the other before oneself (which never ever happens in practice), in order to reap a feeling-better-than-thou superiority and/or a reward in a mythical life after physical death. Provided you understand that the moral/ feeling caring is only keeping you locked within the human condition and that
near-actual caring includes you as much as everyone else, then you can indeed use it as the driving force for the
whole process of becoming free. CHRONO: In empathy, the benchmark for my feeling good (which is ultimately a Good feeling) has been if I’ve successfully pulled the other out of their misery (by going thru it myself). ‘I’ will only feel good if the ‘other’ feels good. Maybe compassion is the better word. Richard says here: … the whole point of activating the third alternative to either feeling powerless or feeling powerful – i.e., feeling harmless/ innocuous (as distinct from turn-the-other-cheek pacifistic behaviour) – is to dynamically defuse that entire power-structure/ power-battle way of life, which is so endemic in the animal realm, and thereby actively enable intimacy. (After all, as ‘I’ am the ‘other’ – for each and every ‘me’ who is ‘other’ to ‘me’ – ‘I’ thus intimately know what it feels like, for those who are ‘other’ to ‘me’, to be such an ‘other’ upon each and every interaction). [Emphasis by Chrono].This scales all the way up to ‘I’ will only be free when Humanity is free. With this feeling logic, it would only ever be up to a Someone or Something for anyone to be free. The daunting aspect of it is that to unilaterally be happy and harmless means to leave Humanity itself behind. VINEETO: Yes, when you are no longer waiting for some god to redeem you, then ‘I’ transfer the problem-solving to ‘Humanity’ at large – unilaterally setting myself free is a deeply felt taboo because it endangers ‘me’. CHRONO: It also occurs to me how much “power” plays a role in all interactions. There is a constant push and pull. It’s impossible to escape as long as I remain a feeling being. I am influencing and being influenced. I can see how being happy and harmless would be the better way of being but nonetheless it is this power (of being) which is the problem. What is the need for power? It’s like I’m always attacking and defending. VINEETO: Richard put it in a nutshell in the quote you provided above –
CHRONO: Just a week ago my partner was telling me about how she was not feeling good in regards work and having to work plus also feeling tired. First there was the feeling upset that she is feeling upset. Then there was the antidotal compassion because that is the ‘Good’ action. Then catching this in action and returning to feeling good. I spoke with her and shared my thoughts on the matter and tried to get her to rememorate feeling good but she seemed stuck on feeling bad with a simultaneous resistance against my suggestion. I do have an understanding of how she feels (feeling of being trapped) but also know where those feelings lead over and over again. So I realized what she wanted at the time was to be affirmed in her feeling bad. Commiseration is venerated as wisdom. Even as I write this I cannot help but feel that it is taboo that I do not feel bad along with her. But it is not as strong as before. VINEETO: I remember it dawned on feeling being ‘Vineeto’ at an early stage in exploring actualism that what ‘she’ wanted when sharing her (bad) feeling was emotional understanding and confirmation of ‘me’. When in distress, ‘she’ was not interested in any solution which would diminish ‘her’ being. Hence the demand for compassion rather than fixing the problem (very common in a man-woman relationship). CHRONO: But within all that there was the seeing of where that paradigm leads. That compassionate action also would not have helped her (Good keeps the Bad in place), it would have inevitably brought her back to the same place. The compassion is the very “help” that ‘I’ can ever provide. Yes, it is even more clear that any action within the Human Condition is bound to fail. It is ‘me’ caring for ‘me’. To be harmless (and happy) is an entirely new paradigm. An entirely new way of living. There’s still some contemplation going on here. I am further reminded of this bit from Richard’s Journal:
Anyways she has since returned to feeling better and in fact I now notice that she can return quicker if I myself am feeling good. Felicitous feelings also can influence the other. VINEETO: Indeed, when you manage to not be taken in, she can recognize in her own time how silly it is to be miserable over what is often a trivial issue, without fear that you might say “I told you so”. And the contagion of felicity can bring this about sooner rather than later. CHRONO: Aside from that I also noticed that there had been some resentments that I had held on with my partner. It seemed to be the nature of relationships. How could I not fall into the “forgive and forget” cycle? It’s clearly on my end anyway. And I had my answer this past weekend. While I was with her I noticed a stand out “togetherness” that I experienced that put all of these resentments out as if they never existed. It was rather unexpected as I had been reflecting on these resentments. There was no past or future. Again there was nothing to solve. Only in the normal way of relationships is there something to work on. This is simply an allowing of that which is already always existing. I meet her ever fresh. Enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive includes myself and the other. I notice now how it is a stark contrast to love. VINEETO: Isn’t it fascinating how “a stand out ‘togetherness’” could wipe out old resentments as if they never existed – from the perspective of felicity and appreciation of this moment of being alive they had no substance whatsoever. CHRONO: Also more often I wake up even on a work day that it does
not feel like a work day. On a work day the same places can feel different. As if it is a chore and a drag. I feel out
the entire day and all the things that I must do. But it doesn’t feel like that at all. The “periphery” was
as if I was going out to play. VINEETO: This is great to read, you seem to have the knack now of being confidently and comfortably in a good mood. Cheers Vineeto
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