Actual Freedom – Selected Correspondence by Topic

RESPONDENT: [quote] ‘Pure consciousness experience ....’. [endquote]. Read Nisargadatta ... better description.

RICHARD: I read what he has to report – very carefully – quite a few years ago and nowhere is a description of a pure consciousness experience to be found anywhere (let alone a better one than on The Actual Freedom Trust web site).

RESPONDENT: Richard, I am pleasing you to contradict the following statements. It will be highly appreciate. [snip 200 quotes from Mr. Nisargadatta Maharaj that (purportedly) explain what the spiritual aspirant should do and the importance of practice and earnest application].

RICHARD: I can do more than just that: as an actual freedom from the human condition lies beyond spiritual enlightenment all the trillions upon trillions of words such self-realised beings have uttered over the centuries have no application whatsoever in this day and age ... none whatsoever.

Thus they can be safely consigned to the trash-bin of history where they belong.

RESPONDENT: ‘In my world, nothing ever goes wrong’. – Nisargadatta Maharaj, when asked by an interviewer to speak about the problems in his life.

RICHARD: May I ask? Is this quote somehow supposed to show me that Mr. Nisargadatta Maharaj was talking about the total absence of ‘good’ and ‘evil’ in this actual world ... the world of this body and that body; the world of the mountains and the streams; the world of the trees and the flowers; the world of the clouds in the sky by day and the stars in the firmament by night and so on ad infinitum? That is, is this quote somehow supposed to show me that Mr. Nisargadatta Maharaj had neither ‘good’ nor ‘evil’ in his life (and had not merely transcended via the ‘Tried and True’ sublimation practice)? If so ... it shows nothing of the sort. And I have already read enough of your tautological words over the last couple of years, in regards to ‘good’ and ‘evil’ in your own solipsistic world, to know where you are at.

I am, of course, referring to the world which you take ‘Infinite Responsibility’ for.

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RESPONDENT: The same life flows through all that is, love is natural and spontaneous. ‘Smoking, diet, and exercise affect a wide variety of illnesses, but no one has shown that quitting smoking, exercising, or changing diet can double the length of survival in women with metastasis breast cancer, where as the enhanced love and intimacy provided by weekly group support sessions has been shown to do just that’. – Pg. 3, Lover and Survival, the Scientific Basis For the Healing Power of Intimacy. Dean Ornish Harper Collins.

RICHARD: If I may point out? This has nothing whatsoever to do with what is being discussed. Viz.:

• [Richard]: ‘All is carefree in this actual world ... there is no ‘good’ or ‘evil’ here.
• [Respondent No. 52]: ‘Out beyond ideas of wrong doing and right doing there is a field. I’ll meet you there.’ – Rumi.
• [Richard]: ‘Save those who return to truth and do righteous deeds. God will change their evil into good’. – Mr. Jalal Rumi
• [Respondent]: ‘When their is the realization that the same life flows through all that is and you are that life, you will love naturally and spontaneously.
• [Richard]: ‘In a pure consciousness experience (PCE) it is stunningly obvious that there is no ‘good’ or ‘evil’ here in this actual world ... and it is obvious as a direct experiencing • [Respondent]: ‘In my world, nothing ever goes wrong’. – Nisargadatta Maharaj.
• [Richard]: ‘Is this quote somehow supposed to show me that Mr. Nisargadatta Maharaj had neither ‘good’ nor ‘evil’ in his life (and had not merely transcended via the ‘Tried and True’ sublimation practice)? If so ... it shows nothing of the sort.
• [Respondent]: ‘Smoking, diet, and exercise affect a wide variety of illnesses, but no one has shown that quitting smoking, exercising, or changing diet can double the length of survival in women with metastasis breast cancer, where as the enhanced love and intimacy provided by weekly group support sessions has been shown to do just that’

Whether someone or some people live longer or not – and whether this is because of whatever – it means nothing at all in regards to enabling peace-on-earth, in this life-time, when they live that longer life nursing malice and sorrow to their bosom.

The discussion is about ‘good’ and ‘evil’ ... and not your red-herrings seeking to maintain the status-quo.

RESPONDENT: P.S.: A friend of mine it’s very interested in your comments about Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. Have you something written about it, or could you send me some comments? Thank you.

RICHARD: I found the following quote on the internet:

• ‘Give up all questions except one: ‘Who am I?’ After all, the only fact you are sure of is that you are. The ‘I am’ is certain. The ‘I am this’ is not. Struggle to find out what you are in reality. To know what you are, you must first investigate and know what you are not. Discover all that you are not – body, feelings, thoughts, time, space, this or that – nothing, concrete or abstract, which you perceive can be you. The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you perceive. The clearer you understand that on the level of mind you can be described in negative terms only, the quicker will you come to the end of your search and realize that you are the limitless being’. (www.nisargadatta.net/IamThat.html).

Amongst other things he is saying that he is not the body ... that he is the limitless being.

RESPONDENT: Do you Know Jim Leonard? He has promoted a method to enjoying all in life, he called it Vivation. It’s developed from the Rebirthing technique, but it’s completely opposite in essence. I insist you in exploring what Jim and Vivation proposes, because I think he is very near in his approach to yours. He emphasizes emotional dealing, as associated with spontaneous and mobile breathing. He promotes experiencing actually how ‘negative’ emotions can be ‘integrated’, in his terms, what means a transformation in ‘positive’ ones, for instance, anger integrates in determination, fear in alert, sorrow in gratefulness. I think you can study more carefully his writings, maybe in the web.

RICHARD: I found the following quote on the internet which speaks for itself:

• ‘Everyone needs spiritual renewal. Vivation enables you to experience your own divine spirit directly, without belief systems. Every Vivation session gives you clarity. This is because your feeling awareness is more connected to your spirit than your thinking mind is. Your spirit reliably knows what’s best for you. Vivation resolves your emotions and enables you to feel the will of your spirit’. (www.vivation.com/UsesforVivation.htm).

RESPONDENT: Another approach you could maybe explore, for its possible similitude with actualism in a practice called Katsugen-undo, that means in Japanese regenerative movement. It consists in letting the involuntary system of the body operate freely. In this practice, there is a main insistence in the primitive brain, that control involuntary reflects and movements. By the practice, all the conditioning about the more primitive responses of the body dissolves, and the body recovers innocent spontaneity, and sensitivity. In this process also breathing arises spontaneously, and emotions, that also normalises. Both Katsugen-undo and Vivation process, can and should also be applied in daily life. The main introductor of Katsugen was Ichio Tsuda.

RICHARD: I found the following quote on the internet which also speaks for itself:

• ‘There are many benefits of Katsugen, and they are not all physical. Because the body, mind and spirit are interlinked and cannot really be separated, what interacts with one influences the other. And so it is with Katsugen. Katsugen is not limited to being only a physical movement but is a philosophy of living that encompasses the totality of body, mind and soul. Therefore, the benefits will correspondingly be to the sum of the physical, mental and spiritual aspects of the human entity’. (www.katsugen.com/page4.html).

RESPONDENT: By the end, do you know about Douglas Harding? Explore also about him, he explains a path he calls the headless way. He, as you, states the inexistence of a perceptor, only the world is perceived in all its magnificence and extreme brightness. If you have the time to investigate on him, you will see by your own.

RICHARD: I found the following quote on the internet which clearly indicates, amongst other names, that it is the enlightened state he is talking about:

• ‘He wanted to find out who he really was before he died. In a sense, any other question became secondary to this one: Who am I really? Harding finally discovered what and who was at centre not by thinking but simply by looking. This moment is described in his book ‘On Having No Head’ (Arkana). Basically, he realised he could see his legs, arms, trunk, but not his head. From where he was looking, he was headless. Instead of his head there was nothing – clear space, emptiness. And in this space was the world. He had ‘lost a head and gained a world’. This experience corresponds to what in other traditions might be called Liberation, Enlightenment, seeing God, seeing the Void, being centred’. (www.headless.org/English/main.html).

RESPONDENT: It’s very possible that you have yet explored about these people, in this case, please say me what do you think about them, if it is convenient. Thanks.

RICHARD: They are all spiritual people.