Vineeto’s Correspondence on the Actual Freedom List Correspondent No 3
VINEETO: I followed with interest your conversation with Alan about thoughts and emotions. Your last comment to Richard or ‘about’ Richard has twigged me to join. RESPONDENT: Richard is on this big sell about the wonderful state of actualism ... VINEETO: Why do you call it a big sell? If I go to a shop and find a CD with the music that I looked for I am happy to buy it and to pay the prize. And I am glad that it is available. And Actual Freedom doesn’t even cost money. But of course it costs effort, one needs to want to change oneself ... Not that Richard or anybody else gains anything if you change your life, except the delight of a mid-wife or witness maybe, but you will definitely gain something. That’s how I see it for myself. RESPONDENT: ... and there is this part is me that wants to go for it and that doer force was a few days ago squeezing my head trying to force it to happen, quite dangerous. So what is he trying to sell to ‘me’, why is the question ‘How am I...’ not enough. VINEETO: When you say, ‘that doer force’ that was ‘squeezing my head’, it sounds like it it somebody other than you forcing you to do something you don’t really want to do? I have found it a general practice in spiritual circles – and have done it myself quite a lot too – to refer to emotions or ‘forces’ as if I had no input and no control over ‘it’. To my delight I found out that I have! All the control and all the responsibility is mine! When I don’t like something, like pushing myself into misery, I can see it and stop it, because there is nobody else that is creating the misery but me. Of course, to be able to sort out between the ‘forces’ inside my head – or heart – I have to be clear with my intent, where I am heading and what I want to achieve. With a peak-experience as landmark I can judge the different on goings – with me they were usually emotions – and sift the chaff from the wheat. I understand from your mail that you seem to make Richard responsible for your forcing yourself ‘dangerously’. But nobody is responsible but you, you choose what you do, that is the wonderful thing in actual freedom. There is no authority and nobody gets the credits when you reap the rewards. It is all in your hands. Nobody can stop you either. RESPONDENT: As for ‘heart’ at the moment I have ‘no heart’ no doubt that will change in due course. So how am I experiencing this moment, there is the usual things ‘wants’, that pop up and are at least noticed. The doer is noticed, the tension between the eyes and base of the head is noticed, ah, an occasional burning feeling is happening at the head base. I also notice the subtle wanting of approval of my achievements which seems to occur more with Richard with that is the fear of being challenged. VINEETO: Isn’t it amazing how many things pop up once one puts one’s attention to them! In the beginning it can be quite a madhouse up there in the head, even to the extent of physical discomfort. Specially fears would usually cause tightness in stomach, guts and back of the neck with me – and still do sometimes. But most of the time it is not enough to just notice. That’s the crux with all the meditation-techniques, they never eliminate the problem, the emotions and their underlying causes. Noticing only shifts them, and they will be back in due course. See, that’s why the question: ‘How am I experiencing this moment of being alive’ is essential and at the same time only the entry-ticket to your discovery-journey into yourself or your ‘self’. To get rid, permanently, of a certain fear, for instance, I had to investigate into the underlying reasons – why do I have this fear, what is the belief that holds it up? You mentioned ‘approval of your achievements’, so I use it as an example. I found that wanting approval – or pretending to reject it – was based on the belief in authority. I believed that I was not authority enough to judge my doings and leavings, to approve of me or judge certain behaviour silly. As a woman I had it especially with men and thus had spoiled all my relationships with men. It took quite a bit of digging into the causes of why I believed everybody else more competent to judge me, to judge right and wrong, than me. One thing is, it is a strong part of every upbringing. But underneath the conditioning I found an immense fear to stand on my own feet, alone, by myself – the survival instinct of belonging to a group or a person. I was continuously looking for an authority to protect me, guide me, love me, and for a gathering around those authority figures. Now it looks silly to me but at the time it produced immense fear-attacks, days of wanting to hide, to run away, a nightmare to decide between Richard/Peter as the supposed authority figures or Rajneesh and his disciples as the guiding principle. To dissolve the nightmare I decided to not stop until I had found the root cause. And the root cause was, strangely enough, a belief in God. I had thought I had dismissed God years ago, when I went to Poona and left Christianity behind. But the Christian God was just replaced by Rajneesh then. Questioning and understanding my fear as the fear of a judging, punishing and very powerful suddenly made it all very clear – finally I could step out of the circle of creating and then fighting human authorities (God’s representatives) and simply decide for myself, with my own intelligence and common sense, what I wanted to do with my life, in each particular moment, in each situation. It has been a fascinating and liberating discovery. To sort out and eliminate authority was essential for living with Peter in peace, harmony, equity and intimacy. And it was necessary for avoiding the trap of believing anybody – and that includes Richard – and now I am happy to find it out for myself, in my own autonomous experience. Of course, Richard is still the expert on actual freedom, but not an authority figure to be believed and followed. If you are interested, I have written more about it in ‘a bit of Vineeto’ on our website. (Just type ‘the next major issue’ into the find-function, if you don’t want to read the whole chapter.) So, maybe these paragraph are of use for you. Maybe you have a different agenda. Let me know. Great to have you on the list. I am looking forward to having a good discussion. RESPONDENT: Richard is on this big sell about the wonderful state of actualism ... VINEETO: Why do you call it a big sell? RESPONDENT: Actually I think I was wondering about the big sell in terms of an idea which would tend to make one a bit futuristic. Now this is of course only one aspect, there is the other aspect of there actually being the possibility of living in delight and another trying to communicate that. So what I seem to have a problem with is a futuristic goal which is forced on to the present. That is where this forcing comes from. To me immediate freedom comes from being aware of what activity is creating the struggle right now. VINEETO: So, what activity is creating the struggle right now? * VINEETO: When you say, ‘that doer force’ that was ‘squeezing my head’, it sounds like it is somebody other than you forcing you to do something you don’t really want to do? I have found it a general practice in spiritual circles – and have done it myself quite a lot too – to refer to emotions or ‘forces’ as if I had no input and no control over ‘it’. To my delight I found out that I have! All the control and all the responsibility is mine! When I don’t like something, like pushing myself into misery, I can see it and stop it, because there is nobody else that is creating the misery but me. Of course, to be able to sort out between the ‘forces’ inside my head – or heart – I have to be clear on my intent, where I am heading and what I want to achieve. With a peak-experience as landmark I can judge the different goings on – with me they were usually emotions – and sift the chaff from the wheat. RESPONDENT: Hmm what is this control you have, control to do what? Are you going to do something or are you already doing it which implies no control, not in the normal sense anyway. The force inside my head is ‘me’ trying to do freedom. VINEETO: Maybe ‘control’ is a word that can be misunderstood. What I meant is that I realised that I have a choice and with that option of choice I took control over my life for the first time. I didn’t let Existence decide, or some higher mysterious force, or some other authority, but I had a choice to go for freedom, freedom from everything. So I went for it. Choice happens out of an understanding that the prison I was living in is not all there is – from seeing the prison in its complexity from the outside – in a peak-experience. Then no ‘force’ is needed, it is simply obvious which choice to take. * VINEETO: But most of the time it is not enough to just notice. That’s the crux with all the meditation-techniques, they never eliminate the problem, the emotions and their underlying causes. Noticing only shifts them, and they will be back in due course. RESPONDENT: Yes agreed as I have had much trouble finishing with certain things. Although difficult at times that question has been of great help. VINEETO: What do you mean by ‘finishing with certain things’? * VINEETO: See, that’s why the question: ‘How am I experiencing this moment of being alive?’ is essential and at the same time only the entry-ticket to your discovery-journey into yourself or your ‘self’. To get rid, permanently, of a certain fear, for instance, I had to investigate the underlying reasons – why do I have this fear, what is the belief that holds it up? RESPONDENT: Yes, I have found an unexpected ease in freeing previously unnoticed activities. Which supported the emotional state of ‘me’. Some activities do at times seem like a brick wall then I sense the ‘me’ trying to do awareness of this activity. VINEETO: What exactly is this ‘freeing previously unnoticed activities’? How do you free them? What activities? Emotions? What emotions? And what underlying belief behind the particular emotion? RESPONDENT: Yes, authority has been one of my main blockages, this dependency on someone to tell you how it is, how it should be, what to do and so on. Being used to someone telling you what to do and then not having it can induce fear which helps to maintain that dependency. Of course a grownup has there own internal authority which when falters causes one to rush to find a better authority. VINEETO: Isn’t it incredibly complex how much this authority issues spoils the quality of relating to people? But simple mental understanding has not been able to eliminate the problem. I had to dig deep into the underlying emotions and dearly held beliefs and fears behind the apparent issue. But what a freedom to have no one as an authority over me now! It needed a lot of questions like ‘How am I experiencing this moment of being alive’ and ‘Why am I doing this, why am I upset now?’ to discover the roots of any emotion or feeling. RESPONDENT: Could you share your ‘how am I experiencing this moment...’ It seem more relevant than digging up memories. So ‘how am I ...’, Hmm having difficulty coming up with suitable descriptive words. I am not feeling great though... pain in the head front and back, stomach discomfort and through this there is a mild sense of clarity. There is also the sense of ‘me’ trying to hang on and keep control. VINEETO: You want to know how I am experiencing this moment of being alive? Or do you want to know how I am using the question to explore my emotions and instincts? As for the first question: I am having a perfect time, one perfect day after the other, right now clicking my fingers on the keyboard while the cicadas and birds chirp their song, the holiday traffic busily runs up and down the coast, the sound of running water while Peter is taking a shower and the fan is blowing softly on the skin of my back. In a few minutes I will have a steaming hot strong tasty cup of coffee with honey and a bit of cream, the beginning of another perfect day in paradise... That’s why I use the past tense when I am describing my experiences of how I investigate emotions. It is mainly out of memory, as it is hardly necessary anymore because the emotions have almost had their day. Nevertheless I think it can be of great use to anyone who starts to investigate into the Human Condition, since we all start off with more or less the same software. As for the second question: I have tried to convey in the last mail how I am using the question to discover whatever emotions were going on at the time, using the example of authority. I’ll post it again, this time broken into the different steps, in case you did not recognize the method. This is not just digging old memories, as you say, but a detailed description of ‘How am I experiencing this moment of being alive?’ * VINEETO: To get rid, permanently, of a certain emotion, what I did was –
I have done this process of tracing with every single irritation, emotion and belief that I found lurking inside ‘my soul’ and in this way have reduced ‘my soul’ to a very small percentage of its original size. With it my troubles, worries, fears and irritations have also been reduced to a very small percentage of their original appearance. It works, immediately – and that, for many, is the scary bit. One actually diminishes and eliminates one’s soul and one’s identity. But unless one investigates one’s emotions, one’s beliefs and at last one’s instincts at the root of a physical unpleasantness, tension or sensation, there is no way to get to the bottom of the matter. It will stay a sorry-go-round of ‘noticing’ and disappearing, reappearing and ‘noticing’ again ad nauseam. Richard has described the method in an earlier correspondence with you:
This 100%, boots and all-approach is my experience too. Until I had decided to give it a go, because I had to acknowledge that nothing else had worked in my life to my satisfaction, there was only miserable pondering, cerebral torture and emotional distress. Once I decided to dare to give it a try, things became easier, I became focused, clear and determined. It has been so ever since. Nothing can stop me becoming completely free in one of these moments. It is a great adventure! VINEETO: Today you get a short one, how about that? RESPONDENT: An added note: this question ‘how am I...’ causes me to examine the contents of consciousness moment to moment. I am not aware of a method or needing one because when it occurs it is an immediate and actual freedom. VINEETO: With the question ‘how am I experiencing this moment of being alive?’ I examine the contents of what is in the road of bare awareness, all the contents of the Human Condition, which are mainly emotions and underlying emotional backed up thought, meaning ‘beliefs’. When you are feeling good, it’s great. When you are not feeling good, that is when one needs to look at the reasons, why one is not feeling good in this moment. When you are feeling good most of the time, you raise the bar – feeling excellent. Did you ever try to trace down such an obstacle to bare awareness? What did you find? As Alan said so aptly: ‘I tell you, the sound of one hand clapping is a piece of cake compared to this.’ Alan to No 3, 9.1.1999 RESPONDENT: To me immediate freedom comes from being aware of what activity is creating the struggle right now. VINEETO: So, what activity is creating the struggle right now? RESPONDENT: --- VINEETO: I still would like to know. * VINEETO: Choice happens out of an understanding that the prison I was living in is not all there is – from seeing the prison in its complexity from the outside – in a peak-experience. Then no ‘force’ is needed, it is simply obvious which choice to take. RESPONDENT: Yes, choice as in the possibility of not struggling, firstly because it’s painful and secondly because, simply put, struggling is not freedom however you look at it. VINEETO: Do you mean that ‘not struggling’ is your priority, your landmark? So, whenever you have a choice you choose non-struggling? For me the ultimate goal to reach was and is freedom – and often it has been a struggle to free myself of the shackles of the Human Condition which were preventing that freedom. Struggling against the fear to do something so new and radical, struggling against habits of conditioning, struggling against doubt. With my eyes firmly oriented on the experience of the peak-experience (my intent) I struggled to reach my goal each time emotions, beliefs and instincts were pulling me back into being ‘normal’. * RESPONDENT: Yes agreed as I have had much trouble finishing with certain things. Although difficult at times that question has been of great help. VINEETO: What do you mean by ‘finishing with certain things’? RESPONDENT: ‘Finishing with certain modes of thoughts and feelings’ ie. the questioning has not followed through the moments of those thoughts and a new thought has been just added on. VINEETO: Ah, now I understand. It is not easy to keep asking, when all means of resistance or fear are activated to stop you from freeing yourself, from discovering a certain belief, from understanding the root of a certain behaviour. That’s what I meant by ‘struggling’, the persistence to keep investigating despite the fear, the bloody-mindedness to pursue freedom against all odds. And, it helps immensely to activate delight, as Richard has described it so well (see the last exchange between Alan and myself). * RESPONDENT: Yes, I have found an unexpected ease in freeing previously unnoticed activities. Which supported the emotional state of ‘me’. Some activities do at times seem like a brick wall then I sense the ‘me’ trying to do awareness of this activity. VINEETO: What exactly is this ‘freeing previously unnoticed activities’? How do you free them? RESPONDENT: No, I as ‘me’ do not free them, questioning in the present does that. It is a mechanism of waking up to it. VINEETO: Well, I would call it awareness, not a mechanism. Questioning the mechanism of instincts and conditioning creates awareness and gives the choice to move in the direction of freedom. * VINEETO: Isn’t it incredibly complex how much this authority issues spoils the quality of relating to people? But simple mental understanding has not been able to eliminate the problem. I had to dig deep into the underlying emotions and dearly held beliefs and fears behind the apparent issue. But what a freedom to have no one as an authority over me now! It needed a lot of questions like ‘How am I experiencing this moment of being alive’ and ‘Why am I doing this, why am I upset now?’ to discover the roots of any emotion or feeling. RESPONDENT: Yes an important point here, the ability to question rather than just create another conviction. VINEETO: Questioning every belief, emotion and finally investigating my instincts has enabled me to sensately experience the world-as-is, that what is left after every man-made interpretation and filter is taken away. It is magnificent. * VINEETO: As for the first question: I am having a perfect time, one perfect day after the other, right now clicking my fingers on the keyboard while the cicadas and birds chirp their song, the holiday traffic busily runs up and down the coast, the sound of running water while Peter is taking a shower and the fan is blowing softly on the skin of my back. In a few minutes I will have a steaming hot strong tasty cup of coffee with honey and a bit of cream, the beginning of another perfect day in paradise... RESPONDENT: Gee, even in cyber space it doesn’t sound half bad. VINEETO: Since we are still on the question of ‘how am I experiencing this moment of being alive?’ I will give you another description that Peter has sent today to someone on the mailing list C.
It is a scary process, for these feelings and emotions are ‘who’ we ‘think’ and ‘feel’ we are – one is demolishing one’s very ‘self’. This is the reason that most people will firstly deny that it is possible to eliminate them, (much, much safer to merely watch one’s ‘self’ and cultivate a superior spiritual Self) or if they do allow the possibility that it might just work – they ‘head for the hills’. RESPONDENT: An added note: this question ‘how am I..’ causes me to examine the contents of consciousness moment to moment. I am not aware of a method or needing one because when it occurs it is an immediate and actual freedom. VINEETO: With the question ‘how am I ...’ I examine the contents of what is in the road of bare awareness, all the contents of the Human Condition, which are mainly emotions and underlying emotion-backed thoughts, meaning passionate ‘beliefs’. When you are feeling good, it’s great. When you are not feeling good, that is when one needs to look at the reasons, why one is not feeling good in this moment. When you are feeling good most of the time, you raise the bar – you aim to feeling excellent. Did you ever try to trace down such an obstacle to bare awareness? What did you find? As Alan said so aptly: ‘I tell you, the sound of one hand clapping is a piece of cake compared to this.’ RESPONDENT: I have found that there is usually something which you are carrying with you that goes unnoticed (sorry about the word), ie. a particular feeling/ conviction that you have been carrying with you for so long that it is taken to be part and parcel of reality. VINEETO: Yes, isn’t it fascinating, when one start peeling the layers of the convictions, find the feeling underneath and suddenly the outlook on ‘reality’ changes that one has taken for granted all along! Life becomes really thrilling, a bit of fear, a bit of adventurous excitement and the great joy of discovering of what it is to be a human being. RESPONDENT: At the moment I have the opportunity to look at pain and the objection to that. As the pain gets more extreme the objections become more pathetic like ‘Oh I’m dying’. Then there is a moment of stillness and no objection at all. I guess you could call it at peace with pain. VINEETO: Yes, I know that struggle. I had it particular strong with fear. First fear arises, whatever the trigger was. The first reaction is objecting to fear, trying to make it go away. Sometimes it took hours until I realised that this does not work. Now, it goes a lot quicker. Now I take on the challenge, ‘o.k. fear, show me your face, show me your name, what is the issue today!’ Fascinating how at least half of the terrifying emotion disappears by simply neither repressing nor expressing. But then the investigation starts, I want to get the bugger by the throat, examine the issue so it won’t be back tomorrow with the same emotion again. And this ‘peace’, as you call it, is the perfect inner condition for investigation, for I can coolly, with no objection, investigate into the background of this fear, root around in conditioning, collective fears, or unquestioned conviction. And then, when everything is pulled into the open, examined in the bright light of my awareness, it cannot uphold its existence – fear turns into thrill, the thrill of impending destiny, my extinction. And I know I am back on the track to freedom. Yippee! RESPONDENT: Hmm, as long as the questioning is running there is sensation but no struggle so I would have to say that absence of self-awareness in any particular moment is what creates the struggle. – No, I don’t have to choose non-struggling it is enough to be questioning struggling in itself. – Just had a thought. Surely if you are aware of emotions and struggling and goals of PCE, all must go for the actuality of PCE. VINEETO: From your comments it looks to me that you are using watching and the identity of the ‘watcher’ to get through the day without much struggle. For me, once I understood from the peak-experience that I wanted to go for Actual Freedom and not for any substitute like enlightenment, I went for it ‘boots and all’. That also meant abandoning everything that I had learned in my spiritual years – the terminology of the ‘inner’ world, the meditations, the mind-twisters. I understood – and strangely enough it happened after a small car-accident – that I cannot drive two cars at the same time – especially when one – actual freedom – goes 180 degrees in the opposite direction to the other – the spiritual. I went through a period of anguish and dis-orientation because all the tricks and disciplines of the spiritual and therapy world did not apply for the path to freedom. But once I had set my mind on the goal, there was no turning back. I already had understood too much about the act of believing itself – everything that I believe is not actual, because it is ‘me’ who is doing the believing. That gave me enough back-pressure to keep going despite the doubts and fears. VINEETO: I’ve been thinking about ‘struggle’ for a while. I can agree with you on the point that struggle in itself is not the ‘sound-proof’ criteria for going in the right direction. Further, I discovered actual freedom in a peak-experience and understood that no bit of ‘me’ is required to produce perfection or to keep it up, that on the contrary it was only ‘me’ that was in the road of perfection. It was a tremendous relief. I don’t need to produce it – it is already here. The actual world and living in the actual world is not a struggle at all. * VINEETO: From your comments it looks to me that you are using watching and the identity of the ‘watcher’ to get through the day without much struggle. RESPONDENT: Certainly this does occur at times but that does ultimately lead to struggle as it is a controlled freedom. You seem to believe that the road to freedom is one of struggle, struggling to be free. VINEETO: I don’t believe anything. I knew that I was not living my peak-experience all the time. ‘I’ came back and took over my life, the malicious and sorrowful entity returned to rule my life. ‘I’, by ‘my’ very nature, does not want to retire, to disappear, to die. The ‘self’ wants to stay in existence. That is where, in my experience, but also in Peter’s and Richard’s experience, effort comes in. You can also call it intent, sheer or grim determination, bloody-mindedness, relentless pursuing and ruthlessly honest investigation. It takes effort to overcome the fear and look into one’s own ‘self’. It requires sincere intent to ruthlessly find out the tricks of this very very cunning entity that we call ‘I’. And merely ‘watching’ one’s behaviour does nothing to eliminate feelings, emotions and instincts – the very substance of ‘me’. RESPONDENT: I feel that struggle is not about freedom at all, it is just the nature of ‘me’ to struggle. Of course, action of some sort is required to change the status quo. This is where the ongoing question comes in. Now what is beyond questioning? Or to put it another way, what is being withheld from the light of awareness? VINEETO: That ‘struggle is not about freedom at all’ is a feeling, or, to be more precise, an idea. The nature of ‘me’ is lost, lonely, frightened and very, very cunning – and, as such, resists the effort to be eliminated. But it is not just your idea. It is the core of Eastern teaching. ‘Just become aware that you are already ‘It’, and that’s all you need to do’. It is part of identifying with the ‘watcher’, the so-called aware identity, and ‘all will be well’. That method might make you enlightened but it will never get you an inch closer to Actual Freedom. To become free, one has to want freedom with all one’s might and passion. One has to put all one’s eggs in one basket. And in order to eliminate emotions one will first have to experience them, feel them. One has to play the drama on stage (experience one’s emotions with neither expressing nor repressing them) in order to know all the actors involved. One has to ‘get down and get dirty’. Peter described really well in one of his letters:
RESPONDENT: Could this PCE that is used as the goal be just a state brought on by delusion of some spiritual teachings including Richard’s? I.e. I want it so I’ll invent it. VINEETO: Once you have experienced a PCE you don’t have to ask that question. A PCE is characterized by the – temporary – complete absence of any ‘self’ whatsoever, including your faculty of feeling and imagination. You can’t invent the actual world – it is already here. A tree is a tree, I can’t invent it. I am this flesh and blood body, and it is obvious that I can perfectly live without a ‘self’. After feeling and imagining has ceased completely, the actual world becomes apparent. A bit like taking one’s grey and rose-coloured glasses off and seeing the world for the first time. One experiences perfection and purity, no separation from the things and people around, but neither love nor bliss are felt as in the feeling-induced spiritual experiences. Here is a joke that conveys very well the very, very cunning ‘entity’ that we are, when we refuse to take off the grey and rose-coloured glasses:
VINEETO: I don’t believe anything. I knew that I was not living my peak-experience all the time. ‘I’ came back and took over my life, the malicious and sorrowful entity returned to rule my life. ‘I’, by its very nature, does not want to retire, to disappear, to die. The ‘self’ wants to stay in existence. That is where, in my experience, but also in Peter’s and Richard’s experience, effort comes in. You can also call it intent, sheer or grim determination, bloody-mindedness, relentless pursuing and ruthlessly honest investigation. It takes effort to overcome the fear and look into one’s own ‘self’. It requires sincere intent to ruthlessly find out the tricks of this very very cunning entity that we call ‘I’. And merely ‘watching’ one’s behaviour does nothing to eliminate feelings, emotions and instincts – the very substance of ‘me’. RESPONDENT: Oh now I get it, you mean watch with the sense of a ‘me’ watching. No, true investigation sees the ‘me’ as well. As you suggest, with this type of inquiry nothing is sacred or beyond inquiry. Which reminds me last night I had the feeling of a sinister being, quite different from the usual selves the pop up. VINEETO: Just to make sure that we are talking about the same thing: With ‘true investigation’, do you mean your apperception functioning, the mind being aware of itself? You are probably aware of the definition of apperception –
Then, ‘true investigation’ is indeed able to become slowly, slowly aware of the whole complex psychic and psychological entity, sometimes disguised as ‘the watcher’, ‘the true being’, ‘the experiencer’, ‘the seeker’. When you talk about that you had ‘the feeling of a sinister being’ – does that mean you felt sinister or had sinister feelings? If yes, don’t you then need effort or intent to keep investigating against the eerie-ness and fear? Or do you keep the ‘feeling’ at a distance with the so-called awareness, which is only another word for control? What is it in you, that keeps you going when dark sides of the Human Condition come to the surface, when malice and fear and sorrow rage in their full force? For ‘true investigation’ one needs effort, intent and courage as well as a determination not to be fooled by the cunning of this ‘self’ – the feelings, emotions, beliefs and instincts – that want to stay in existence by all means. * RESPONDENT: Could this PCE that is used as the goal be just a state brought on by delusion of some spiritual teachings including Richard’s? I.e. I want it so I’ll invent it. VINEETO: Once you have experienced a PCE you don’t have to ask that question. RESPONDENT: I don’t agree here, a vague memory of a distant PCE is nothing compared to the conditioning of ‘me’ with emotions and imagination. A PCE does point out though, the possibility of living a better quality of life, a standard to strive for. VINEETO: In a PCE you experience the actual world of ease and perfection which might tempt you too, not to stop at second best. See, No 3, for me it was the stunning, shocking and eye-opening experience of the PCE that kept me going when the investigation brought up sinister, fierce, embarrassing or otherwise uncomfortable feelings. When the floor rocked under my feet, when I had yet again lost the ground of beliefs I thought I was standing on – the memory of peak-experience reassured me that I was on the right track. I knew the direction that I was heading for, I knew the purity I was aiming for and I knew that nothing could go wrong. In a peak-experience you know that the only thing that is ‘wrong’ is ‘you’, the alien ‘self’ – nibble away the ‘self’ and nothing can go wrong – you inevitable end up in the actual world – the only danger is you can ground on the Rock Enlightenment... Even a vague memory of a PCE can give you the first flavour to dig deeper and to act as a landmark. It is a perfect landmark for freedom and there is nothing better. VINEETO: Just to make sure that we are talking about the same thing: With ‘true investigation’, do you mean your apperception functioning, the mind being aware of itself? You are probably aware of the definition of apperception –
Then, ‘true investigation’ is indeed able to become slowly, slowly aware of the whole complex psychic and psychological entity, sometimes disguised as ‘the watcher’, ‘the true being’, ‘the experiencer’, ‘the seeker’. RESPONDENT: Yes, I experience this as the sense of everything fitting in its place, like a wonderful sense of order and balance. At times when there is a sense of stuckness or forcing I realize there is ‘I’ attempting to ‘do’ and the question running in my mind has taken a break. VINEETO: In my investigation into the Human Condition, I didn’t bother much about the differences between the various ‘I’s’ that were trying to take charge, I preferred to focus my attention on my feelings and emotions. I had understood that feelings and emotions are definitely part of the Human Condition, and being conditioned as a woman to express emotions made that even more obvious to me. From there I could proceed to examine the different feelings and emotions and un-cover the underlying beliefs. Whenever I attempted to cerebrally sort out which ‘I’ was telling me what to do, or which is the real aware ‘I’ and which the watcher, or perhaps the actual I, there was only hopeless confusion. The spiritual training of creating a distant ‘I’ had made me a confusing ‘I’ behind the ‘I’ behind the ‘I’. So identifying which feeling I am experiencing, be they sadness, distance, listlessness or boredom, is a much better landmark from where to unravel the Human Condition than finding which ‘I’ is attempting’ to do what. Peter wrote about it:
* VINEETO: When you talk about that you had ‘the feeling of a sinister being’ – does that mean you felt sinister or had sinister feelings? RESPONDENT: The sense of ‘me’ took on a sinister presence. VINEETO: And then, what happened then to the sinister presence in you? * VINEETO: If yes, don’t you then need effort or intent to keep investigating against the eerie-ness and fear? Or do you keep the ‘feeling’ at a distance with the so-called awareness, which is only another word for control? RESPONDENT: Yes that’s the trick isn’t it, awareness becomes an idea, a feeling, which then becomes a secondary reaction as in, the idea pops up at appropriate times of inquiry. Then there is the ‘now ‘I’ am aware’ response. In my inquiry I have realised that I may well have objection to the intensity of the content of awareness. Some things that appear in the mind are indeed intense and one is not used to that. VINEETO: At the same time that’s when it gets really fascinating. The ‘intensity’ for me was usually coming close to discover a dearly held belief that I was afraid to look straight in the face – because then I could not keep it as ‘truth’. And yet, those feelings are the door to discover yet another one of the shackles of the Human Condition and become free from it. * VINEETO: What is it in you, that keeps you going when dark sides of the Human Condition come to the surface, when malice and fear and sorrow rage in their full force? For ‘true investigation’ one needs effort, intent and courage as well as a determination not to be fooled by the cunning of this ‘self’ – the feelings, emotions, beliefs and instincts – that want to stay in existence by all means. RESPONDENT: I challenge myself to be aware of it all, good or bad, intense or barren, there can be no obstacle to freedom here and now. VINEETO: I found that the challenge to be aware of it all was not enough to carry me through the periods of doubt and fear. On my way to freedom I had to muster my intent again and again, link it to the peak-experiences and gather all the daring and bloody-mindedness I could find. Richard has written about intent:
RESPONDENT: Could this PCE that is used as the goal be just a state brought on by delusion of some spiritual teachings including Richard’s? I.e. I want it so I’ll invent it. VINEETO: Once you have experienced a PCE you don’t have to ask that question. RESPONDENT: I don’t agree here, a vague memory of a distant PCE is nothing compared to the conditioning of ‘me’ with emotions and imagination. A PCE does point out though, the possibility of living a better quality of life, a standard to strive for. VINEETO: In a PCE you experience the actual world of ease and perfection, and maybe this experience might tempt you too – as it has convinced me – not to stop at second best. See, for me it was the stunning, shocking and eye-opening experience of the PCE that kept me going when the investigation brought up sinister, fierce, embarrassing or otherwise uncomfortable feelings. When the floor shook under my feet, when I had yet again lost the ground of the passionate beliefs I thought I was standing on – the memory of peak-experience reassured me that I was on the right track. I knew the direction that I was heading for, I knew the purity I was aiming for and I knew that nothing could go wrong. In a peak-experience you know that the only thing that is ‘wrong’ is ‘you’, the alien ‘self’ – nibble away the ‘self’ and nothing can go wrong – you inevitable end up in the actual world – the only danger is you can ground on the Rock Enlightenment... RESPONDENT: This sounds a bit idealistic. Say I am facing fear but am holding on to the memory of a PCE. The memory of a PCE can be a suitable distraction for a self-response that doesn’t want to face those emotions. Those emotion are, after all, the bread and butter of ‘me’. Years of being imprisoned as a self plus the experience of freedom is enough to want to be free. VINEETO: What is this experience of freedom, if it is not a PCE? How do you know that you are looking for an actual freedom if you have never experienced it? How do you distinguish between a possible mental construct, maybe called ‘absolute permanent freedom’, and the experience of living here, at this moment, fresh, sparkling, alive and free from the Human Condition? A PCE is not ‘a suitable distraction’, it is your landmark, your goal, your burning desire, when fear and confusion threaten to overwhelm you and hold you back. A PCE is what gives you the daring to call a belief a belief, even if the whole world insists on it being a truth. Unless you know what you are aiming for, you will get lost in the labyrinth of the very cunning entity of the ‘self’. I give you the references in Peter’s journal, where we described such peak-experiences. I’m sure Richard has lots of descriptions of the actual world in his journal... RESPONDENT: Ah, a thought just popped up ‘permanent freedom’. Do I really want it and not just the holidays from ‘self’? VINEETO: Verily, a valid question. But once you had several holidays from the self such as described in the above references, the urge and obsession for permanent freedom for 24 h a day, every day, all year round becomes more and more inevitable. An infectious ease... VINEETO: Struggle or no-struggle, that is your question? For me, I pursue with relentless stubbornness the permanent freedom from ‘me’, and with that, struggle will then disappears of its own accord. Until it goes by itself, becoming free of the Human Condition is a struggle the like of which is not happening anywhere on the planet. It is the very newness of the enterprise that creates most of the struggle – to be a pioneer, to leave suffering and fighting Humanity behind, it requires nerves of steel and a burning dissatisfaction with life as it is. RESPONDENT: That’s just the point, if it is only a memory, how can one know what one is aiming for? Actually I feel it is ok not to ‘actually know’ what one is aiming for as long as one knows from experience that there is ample reward be it whatever for facing the stuff of ‘self’. ... Cheers, now where’s that wine glass.. VINEETO: Do you mean, much better than aiming for a memory to aim for the wineglass? Just kidding... And in the second post:
And then, what happened then to the sinister presence in you? RESPONDENT: Unfortunately it wasn’t around long enough to investigate in any depth. It departed as quickly as it came. Sometimes when something like that happens there is a jump back into the old familiar sense of self. VINEETO: ‘Worth looking at’ is a term you can only define for yourself if you know what you are aiming for. What are those ‘releases’ that you are you aiming for? RESPONDENT: This would seem to mean that pure intent is based on fact. For me this would be the fact of the release that occurs when a major hurdle is realized. The point that dullness masks emotion and emotion masks belief has also been of assistance. I have a bit of trouble summoning up delight (as Richard suggests), as it seems imaginary, as opposed to the release that comes with facing issues. That is still under consideration though. VINEETO: Pure intent is derived from the purity of a peak-experience. If the intent is based only on the release from the tensions of hurdles one will be content with temporary and second rate solutions. Richard explains it simply and clearly in his journal:
The alternative is to start from the other end:
I can say from my own experience – it is a wide and wondrous path, but it needs a commitment to digging into one’s sinister presences, one’s dullness, one’s fear and one’s pride and all the tricks that the very cunning entity of ‘self’ comes up with. Without the memory of a peak-experience there won’t be enough intent to instigate one’s own self-immolation. VINEETO: In the communication with you I often have the sense of completely groping in the dark. Maybe it has to do with the fact that you are using different words for feelings or emotions that are happening for you, maybe there is another reason. I am curious as to what you think the cause could be. Usually when I answer your mail I sit there and read them three times before I start guessing what you might mean by what you are saying. Maybe you are one of those ‘strong and silent’ men of the movies. It is just that on the internet it is necessary to use more explicit words. Words are all we have for communication – if you want communication, that is. * VINEETO: ‘Worth looking at’ is a term you can only define for yourself if you know what you are aiming for. What are those ‘releases’ that you are you aiming for? RESPONDENT: Those ‘releases’ is a dissolving of the divisiveness normally associated with an emotion. No, I was not talking about what is worth looking at, I was talking about the usual human response of not wanting to face the stuff of ‘self’ by saying ‘its not worth looking at’. VINEETO: Yes, I understand the ‘not worth looking at’. In me, I have identified it as fear. In the beginning it was possible to put issues aside when I did not want to deal with them, but the more I understood experientially that I have only this very moment of being alive, it more and more was like an awful waste of time to avoid the surfacing issue. The real kick came when I ‘realised’ that there cannot be a God to help and therefore no afterlife to wait for. Afterlife has been an option that I will discover when I die, but then I realized with certainty that I had been sold a dummy. I wrote about it at the time:
And not only free of authority but free of postponement too. Knowing as a certainty that this life is all I have then every minute not lived in perfection is a waste of time. The best I can do with such time is to turn it into the inquiry to make this moment perfect. And then, everything that hinders my happiness is worth looking at. RESPONDENT: This would seem to mean that pure intent is based on fact. For me this would be the fact of the release that occurs when a major hurdle is realized. The point that dullness masks emotion and emotion masks belief has also been of assistance. I have a bit of trouble summoning up delight (as Richard suggests), as it seems imaginary, as opposed to the release that comes with facing issues. That is still under consideration though. VINEETO: Pure intent is derived from the purity of a peak-experience. If the intent is based only on the release from the tensions of hurdles one will be contented with temporary and second rate solutions. RESPONDENT: Yes, I have considered this. It is always a hurdle getting out of struggling and the agitated state of objection to an emotion. So when that state of struggling ends it does feel like a reward of sorts. My solution is a permanent ‘no objection at all’. That at the present is not a one off and requires continual effort of inquiry. VINEETO: When an emotion is happening, for instance anger, it is harmful in two ways. Firstly I am not happy because I am angry and second I am angry at someone else and may cause harm to that person, be it by snide remarks, withdrawal or any other action. Of course I don’t want to be angry. If the aim is to be happy and harmless then I no longer tolerate anger in my life. One does everything possible to eliminate it and not merely watches its rising and falling in the mind or heart. But the only way to successfully get rid of anger is to examine the root cause of me getting angry in that particular situation, find the expectation, the frustration, the ‘self’ in operation. Once I found the root cause and ‘got it’ – as Alan says – it is immensely rewarding, a great relief and a joy to have dismantled yet another obstacle to being free. And with every success there was more eagerness to find the next hurdle. The obsession for freedom takes a life of its own, wearing down the original objections. And then it is like Mark was writing on the list a few days ago:
And:
Your ‘permanent solution’ of ‘no objection at all’ sounds a pretty dry experience to me. Freedom from the churning emotions, feelings, beliefs and instincts, which is freedom from ‘me’, results in a delicious, sensuous continuous enjoyment moment after moment, fresh each time, rich and magnificent, crisp and perfect. An ongoing delight to be alive. RESPONDENT: Hi cyber Vineeto: Yes, what exactly are we trying to communicate here. Is it that you are trying to coach me and I am saying I know already. VINEETO: So, you think there may be a coaching contract with cyber-Vineeto. I don’t remember signing such a contract and I certainly wouldn’t want to, nor does my alter ego of cyber-Vineeto. I don’t even know what you want to achieve, how could I possibly coach you? Freedom is something everyone has to do for themselves. But you are welcome to pick my brain if you want to know about living in virtual freedom. Peter and I are certainly experts on the ongoing experience of it and the way to reach it. We have both followed the path to actual freedom for two years with overwhelming and obvious success and enjoy a continuous virtual freedom from sorrow and malice. I am certainly interested in giving information if anyone wants to be as happy and harmless as I am. As Peter has stated in his letter to Alan, and it is my experience as well, Virtual Freedom is an essential prerequisite for Actual Freedom. Actual Freedom does not happen over night. It is the result of whittling away all the layers of emotions, feelings, beliefs and instincts that one comes across in daily life until there is hardly any disturbance happening and hardly anything left of what used to be the ‘self’. Virtual Freedom can be described as perfect days, day-in, day-out, and heightened senses delivering ongoing pleasure and delight – be it a cup of coffee, the saxophone playing next door, the whistle of a chain-saw, the twitter of the birds, the soft breeze of the fan in may back. Virtual freedom is when the ‘feeling’ of time has disappeared, when the days have no names and the hours have no numbers – I am simply here living in this perfect moment each moment again. It does not matter if I go to work or stay at home, if it is day or night, rainy or hot, if I am meeting people, on my own or with Peter at home, I simply have a perfect time. If you are saying you ‘know already’, then that is just marvellous. RESPONDENT: Or is it that I am still trying to nut something out and I am trying to verify what you are saying by playing it back in different words? VINEETO: Is it? Are you? And is the verification successful? Or are you playing poker with the cards close to your chest? * VINEETO: When an emotion is happening, for instance anger, it is harmful in two ways. Firstly I am not happy because I am angry and second I am angry at someone else and may cause harm to that person, be it by snide remarks, withdrawal or any other action. Of course I don’t want to be angry. If the aim is to be happy and harmless then I no longer tolerate anger in my life. One does everything possible to eliminate it and not merely watches its rising and falling in the mind or heart. But the only way to successfully get rid of anger is to examine the root cause of me getting angry in that particular situation, find the expectation, the frustration, the ‘self’ in operation. Once I found the root cause and ‘got it’ – as Alan says – it is immensely rewarding, a great relief and a joy to have dismantled yet another obstacle to being free. RESPONDENT: Yes, the ‘I got it’ though does not always mean the emotion is finished within its entirety, but that in that particular circumstance it is finished with. The fact that one has released that it must go is what assures its eventual end. The realization for me is not that ‘it must go’. Actual freedom has been an understanding, evidenced by various peak experiences, that ‘I’, the psychological and psychic entity within this body, inhibit the experience of the already existent perfection and purity of the physical universe. So ‘I’ decide to self-immolate, ‘self’-sacrifice for the perfection to become apparent in this life, on this planet. The growing comprehensive realization of what this ‘I’ consists of, all my emotions, feelings, beliefs and instincts has been an ongoing discovery and understanding. Elimination happens when I fully comprehend the passionate imaginative nature of an emotion as opposed to the delight of direct intimacy. The same applies when I understand the collective imagination of a belief as opposed to the actuality of facts. Then there is only the obvious to do, then there is no choice at all.
* VINEETO: Your ‘permanent solution’ of ‘no objection at all’ sounds a pretty dry experience to me. Freedom from the churning emotions, feelings, beliefs and instincts, which is freedom from ‘me’, results in a delicious, sensuous continuous enjoyment moment after moment, fresh each time, rich and magnificent, crisp and perfect. An ongoing delight to be alive. RESPONDENT: My ‘permanent solution’ is not a final statement as such it is just that I realised that any revealing investigation will not proceed when there is an objecting ‘I’. So that is a prerequisite. VINEETO: It has been one of the spiritual and new-age therapy devices to split up the ‘I’ into various parts – the male and female side, the child, the angry ‘me’, the vulnerable ‘me’, the indifferent ‘me’, observer, the judge, the loving ‘me’ etc. ad nauseam. The outcome is utter confusion and merely rearranging the furniture on the Titanic in endless variations. Whereas the path to actual freedom is characterized by determination and pure intent born out of one’s peak-experience which drives one to simply get on with the business of eliminating malice and sorrow because one wants to get rid of malice and sorrow. No psychologising needed. Once it became clear that ‘I’ am in the road of experiencing the already existent perfection and purity of the physical universe it became also obvious that it is the whole of ‘me’ that would have to disappear, the objecting, the feeling, the believing and the instinctually driven ‘me’, the whole bucket. It is all so devastatingly simply, obvious and apparent.
VINEETO: It has been one of the spiritual and new-age therapy devices to split up the ‘I’ into various parts – the male and female side, the child, the angry ‘me’, the vulnerable ‘me’, the indifferent ‘me’, observer, the judge, the loving ‘me’ etc. ad nauseam. The outcome is utter confusion and merely rearranging the furniture on the Titanic in endless variations. Whereas the path to actual freedom is characterised by determination and pure intent born out of one’s peak-experience which drives one to simply get on with the business of eliminating malice and sorrow because one wants to get rid of malice and sorrow. No psychologising needed. Once it became clear that ‘I’ am in the road of experiencing the already existent perfection and purity of the physical universe it became also obvious that it is the whole of ‘me’ that would have to disappear, the objecting, the feeling, the believing and the instinctually driven ‘me’, the whole bucket. It is all so devastatingly simply, obvious and apparent. RESPONDENT: Hmm, if there is objection there is denial which amounts to omission from awareness in the ongoing moment. There is obviously a supporting argument to the objection which is always without actual up to the moment factual basis. If objection is allowed to act unchecked then that is the wall which is the obstacle to awareness of present content of reality. VINEETO: Would you mind to translate the above for me into maybe a practical example of how this understanding happens in daily life or how it plays out in emotions and feelings. Honestly, I have no idea what you are trying to say, although I am really interested to follow your description. I guess the above is an intellectual interpretation of feelings and belief – for me it would be easier to understand them as such, feelings and beliefs. Looking forward to your response. VINEETO: What a pleasure and what a surprise to get your response. So I am not writing on a ghost-list after all. Firstly, just for the fun of it, I want to let you in on the latest joke, that took me a full day to comprehend – so don’t give up too quickly ... You may have noticed Richard’s latest correspondence with someone on mailing list C that I found highly entertaining, informative and hilarious. The joke that cracked me tonight was this bit:
If you look up the word ‘anosognosia’ and compare it what psychologists have accredited Richard for, you will understand. It is such a mind-boggling business to toss around the ‘real’ world’s definition for ‘sane’ and ‘insane’ when one is stepping out of exactly this same, ‘sane’ world of malice and sorrow. * VINEETO: The fascinating question is how to facilitate this shift of attention? It doesn’t happen through thinking but it can be stimulated by contemplation. But most of all it is a memory job, experientially, sensately remembering to not believe the emotion and to step out. I had found another piece in the puzzle of how to move from ‘to be or not to be’. It just occurred to me that immolation, the final ‘stepping out’, will happen out of a situation of a distinctly felt emotion when the ‘self’ in action is clearly experienced. It won’t be a soft glide from happy to more happy but a deliberate tearing away from the grip of the instinctual entity. I will have to be experiencing at the time exactly what it is that I am stepping out of. Bloody excellent. RESPONDENT: What a nice trinket. I have been wondering myself about whether my rejection of emotional behaviour was lacking rational analysis. At times I have found it difficult to displace my emotional state by working through it rationally, i.e. couldn’t find any more information and found that the direct approach of discarding is more effective. VINEETO: I am fascinated by your expression of ‘rejection of emotional behaviour’. Do you literally mean ‘rejection’ as in repressing it and not letting it come to the surface, or ‘rejection’ as in not giving it any attention, or ‘rejection’ as in sitting it out without much ado about it? Does ‘rational analysis’ mean you ‘reject’ the emotion or does ‘rational analysis’ include investigating the upcoming emotion? I am curious to learn what works best for you. And then, how does ‘the direct approach of discarding’ actually work? Again, I am not sure if ‘discard’ means throwing it away – and does it stay away? Or is it more a ‘disregard’ because you already know everything about this particular emotion and it just keeps coming back as a bad habit? For instance, I have found my ‘sticky self-doubt’ coming back again and again despite extensive investigation until I realised that is consisted of nothing more than a bad habit. * VINEETO: It just occurred to me that immolation, the final ‘stepping out’, will happen out of a situation of a distinctly felt emotion when the ‘self’ in action is clearly experienced. It won’t be a soft glide from happy to more happy but a deliberate tearing away from the grip of the instinctual entity. I will have to be experiencing at the time exactly what it is that I am stepping out of. RESPONDENT: Your last two sentences are of particular interest. This does indeed seems to be the case as I feel I have achieved less when just being happy than when I can pull myself out of a dramatic state, to be confronted by immediate sensate perception. VINEETO: In this particular post I was talking about my deduction of what would be needed to do the final step to extinction, the last ‘stepping out’. I don’t know if it is going to happen this way or any other way, but I am sure obsessed with ‘my’ extinction – which is one of the prerequisites for it to happen – so that’s taken care of. Vis:
But I can relate when you say ‘I feel I have achieved less when just being happy’. The self-doubt I had described arose mainly out of the situation that I was happy almost all of the time and it seemed as ordinary and normal as anything. The nagging feeling that there is something more to Actual Freedom than ‘just’ being happy – and there is, of course – sent me diving into worry and doubt to see if I had missed the track. But no, this apparent feeling of ‘non-achievement’ is par for the course, it is the very experiencing of becoming less of a ‘who I am’ and more of a ‘what I am’. The doubt just served to introduce ‘who I am’ back into the picture. So, I am still busy shifting the meaning of the term ‘achievement’ into meaning ‘becoming less’, less of a drama queen and less of an identity. Besides, a little look at the ‘land of lament’ or the ‘land of denial’ will quickly show what we have already achieved. Being happy and harmless is sure neither ‘normal’ nor ‘sane’ according to the real world’s definitions. And yes, I know the feeling of achievement when I have been completely in the grip of the ‘self’ engulfing me with a particular mood – usual fear for fear’s sake – and then ‘immediate sensate perception’ enabled me to step out of the ‘self’ into the actual world of people, things and events. More thrilling than solving a murder mystery! RESPONDENT: What a nice trinket. I have been wondering myself about whether my rejection of emotional behaviour was lacking rational analysis. At times I have found it difficult to displace my emotional state by working through it rationally i.e. couldn’t find any more information and found that the direct approach of discarding it more effective. VINEETO: I am fascinated by your expression of ‘rejection of emotional behaviour’. Do you literally mean ‘rejection’ as in repressing it and not letting it come to the surface, or ‘rejection’ as in not giving it any attention, or ‘rejection’ as in sitting it out without much ado about it? Does ‘rational analysis’ mean you ‘reject’ the emotion or does ‘rational analysis’ include investigating the upcoming emotion? I am curious to learn what works best for you. RESPONDENT: You mean I get to choose A, B or C. C sounds pretty good. Rational analysis means working through any supporting arguments for keeping an emotion and evaluating the supposedly factual content which usually turns out to be based on more emotions. VINEETO: No, I didn’t mean that you ‘get to choose A, B or C’. I was asking what you meant by the phrase ‘rejection of emotional behaviour’ and suggested three possibilities. Are you saying that your method is ‘sitting it out without much ado about it’? Of course you can choose any method, the question is which one works. Does method ‘C’ work for you in that the emotion does not come back or are you sometimes faced with the same emotion (over the same cause) again and again? After rational analysis of the situation, the next step for me was to investigate further into the cause and deeper into the nature of the particular emotion happening at the time. In order to determine the underlying cause of the emotion I would search to uncover the next layer, the ‘deeper’ reason for my upset, the belief and passion underneath the apparent first disturbance. Often I would detect a fear much more far-reaching than the first apparent reason, for example, a general feeling of insecurity or an atavistic feeling of fear that seems to have no obvious or rational cause. To discover a deeper layer underneath the first apparent reason is a more daring exercise but immensely rewarding because it helps to uncover the basic passions that constitute the Human Condition. By experiencing the emotion on a deeper layer I could then begin to understand the intricate web of human behaviour in general and my repeated feelings and behaviour in particular and this very experiential understanding was another nail in the coffin of ‘me’, the lost, lonely, frightened and very cunning entity inside. Bringing the emotion at its core out in the open, seeing it for what it is, invariably diminishes and successively eliminates its influence on my life and thus reduces the oh so convincing power of the passionate ‘self’. * VINEETO: And then, how does ‘the direct approach of discarding it’ actually work? Again, I am not sure if ‘discard’ means throwing it away – and does it stay away? Or is it more a ‘disregard’ because you already know everything about this particular emotion and it just keeps coming back as a bad habit? For instance, I have found my ‘sticky self-doubt’ coming back again and again despite extensive investigation until I realised that is consisted of nothing more than a bad habit. RESPONDENT: It seems that the support for the keeping of emotions in general has diminished to the point that I have no argument for keeping them. Even Love and Compassion have a sweet but painful attachment to bad emotions about them. When one arises an automatic check is made to see if there is any reason for keeping it, if no but it persists then it is regarded as a bad habit. It just occurs to me that I have not looked into what exactly constitutes a bad habit as opposed to a belief habit. Is it only a bad habit when it is found to have no supporting belief or are there other identifiable qualities? VINEETO: It is a great start when investigating affective feelings and emotions to know that there is no practical reason or sensible argument for keeping them. This understanding surely helps to explore the emotions on a deeper level in order to become permanently happy and harmless. However, having emotions is not just a ‘bad habit’ that one could reject like an unwanted behaviour pattern. Emotions have their roots in the instinctual passions that constitute our very being, the one ‘who we feel we are’, the core of our identity by whatever name. Therefore a mere ‘rejection’ on the basis of ‘rational analysis’ is helpful in reducing and removing the top-layer of emotional disturbances and irritations as well as the unwanted habitual behaviour patterns that one has accumulated since earliest childhood. Yet a deeper exploration is needed in order to uncover and experientially understand the underlying instinctual passions. I had a simple rule of thumb – those emotions and feelings that didn’t go away by rational reasoning and sensible practicality surely had their root in social conditioning, atavistic fears, the need to belong or other basic survival instincts. Those emotions needed repeated exploration, talking, reading, inner search-and-destroy missions and clarifying insights. I found such exploration beyond my former surface snorkelling of spiritual practice and therapy such a fascinating and exhilarating enterprise! * RESPONDENT: For example in my repair work I have this fear of jobs being returned; the feeling is one of personal failure and even after carefully looking at this I realized I could not control what people thought and that much of the time what they thought was grossly misinformed. This was helping with understanding but not the fear. You see, the fear was about their actual response the expression on their faces etc, the put down at that moment. What I really objected to was their deliberate put down, but my conditioning, based on punishment, disallowed any defence of my position. Hmm, I don’t know if I have come any closer to determining what a bad habit is. Lets see... if someone uses punishment to condition you, it does not constitute on your behalf a belief. It is just that you have learned, ‘Do this or else’. VINEETO: A good example. One can never change or control what people think, so one might as well stop trying and tackle one’s own feelings about their thoughts. The practical situation is that when I sell my time, I am dependant that people like what I sell in order to make money. The other, usually bigger, part of the situation is the fear that I won’t be liked, that I will be rejected by the group, that I won’t belong – and this fear is a totally different ballgame. When I started on the path to Actual Freedom I noticed that my own value standards as to what I wanted to achieve became vastly superior to the general accepted version of ‘good’ and ‘right’ – because my standards are derived from the pure consciousness experience when the perfection and purity of the universe becomes overwhelmingly apparent. Now I don’t want to be ‘good’ or do it ‘right’ in other people’s eyes, I want to remove the obstacle, my very ‘self’, that stands in the way of the purity and perfection of the actual world. Out of this intent, I do the best I can in everything I do, I actively care about my fellow human beings and thus I become more happy and harmless. This change has given me a confidence that made it then comparatively easy to leave the world of morals and ethics behind and to regard other people’s opinions as what they are – opinions of people who are unavoidably, and through no fault of theirs, afflicted with the common disease of the Human Condition. The only difference between me and the people I meet and interact with is that I serendipitously came across someone who had managed to free himself of malice and sorrow ... and I took up the challenge. Since I know that I investigate my own malice and sorrow in order to eliminate it, other people’s put-down reveals simply their affliction by the Human Condition and is therefore not my problem. So I only take care of my own malice and sorrow and investigate why I insist on wanting other’s approval. It is a fascinating journey to explore the need to please, the need for approval, the need to belong to a group – however lose or undefined that group may be. In short, I get rid of the ‘me’ who feels offended and who needs to belong. Being in the world as it is with people as they are gives ample opportunity to examine my very instincts until the complete understanding causes them to wither away – and with it one’s very identity. What remains is superb confidence, overweening optimism, genuine caring and ever-increasing delight. It’s good fun writing to you, I like to swap notes about the sense we make of life. VINEETO: Did you enjoy your Easter holidays with some time of leisure and pleasure? The last two days I have been ‘under the bonnet’ of my computer, as I had a new, bigger hard drive installed – 13 gig, really big, really quick – and so I was busy re-installing all the various programs and idly tiddly bits that make the computer my own, like icons, shortcuts personal colours and general set-up. It is amazing how variable the software programs are and how much computer-knowledge I have picked up in the last two years. Still there is always some information missing, something more to learn, mistakes to make and a few things for the too hard basket... But now it is up and running again and my favourite toy is brimming in its sparkling newness. * VINEETO: I was asking what you meant by the phrase ‘rejection of emotional behaviour’ and suggested three possibilities. Are you saying that your method is ‘sitting it out without much ado about it’? Of course you can choose any method, the question is which one works. Does method ‘C’ work for you in that the emotion does not come back or are you sometimes faced with the same emotion (over the same cause) again and again? RESPONDENT: In some cases bad habits etc, yes. My rejection of emotional behaviour means that I do not get drawn into the drama of it all. I recognize the spell that emotions have, so I do not treat them as essential to my operating. There is though still the occasional reluctance to explore so I am sometimes unwittingly caught in their spell. VINEETO: I found that to effectively explore emotions to the point of (virtually) eliminating them I had to experience them fully. Only by neither repressing, nor expressing, nor in any way rationally twisting the emotional experience could I meticulously observe, become fully aware of and sensibly contemplate on what is happening in my head, heart and guts and thus investigate the root cause of that particular emotion. Knowing that every emotion is part of the Human Condition relieved me from blaming myself or being resentful for having an emotion in the first place. In order to eliminate the particular emotion such that it would not return again and again, it was essential to explore it deeply at its core and to understand experientially how each emotion originated in my social identity and/or in my very sense of ‘being’. Once having seen the emotion in operation and understood its ramifications to their full extent there was no way I could feel the same way about a particular issue or situation – by having understood this specific piece of my identity it had been extinguished. Needless to say, this method has not the slightest thing to do with plain rationalization or spiritual dis-identification – proven by the very fact that it works, that it gets rid of the emotion permanently while increasingly allowing the sensual sensuousness and the pure delight of being alive. I know well the ‘occasional reluctance to explore’, yet the frustration of obviously going round in silly circles has always given me courage to stop wasting my time, to face the fear and ‘reluctance’ and do whatever was necessary to return to being happy and harmless. * VINEETO: After rational analysis of the situation, the next step for me was to investigate further into the cause and deeper into the nature of the particular emotion happening at the time. In order to determine the underlying cause of the emotion I would search to uncover the next layer, the ‘deeper’ reason for my upset, the belief and passion underneath the apparent first disturbance. Often I would detect a fear much more far-reaching than the first apparent reason, for example, a general feeling of insecurity or an atavistic feeling of fear that seems to have no obvious or rational cause. To discover a deeper layer underneath the first apparent reason is a more daring exercise but immensely rewarding because it helps to uncover the basic passions that constitute the Human Condition. By experiencing the emotion on a deeper layer I could then begin to understand the intricate web of human behaviour in general and my repeated feelings and behaviour in particular and this very experiential understanding was another nail in the coffin of ‘me’, the lost, lonely, frightened and very cunning entity inside. Bringing the emotion at its core out in the open, seeing it for what it is, invariably diminishes and successively eliminates its influence on my life and thus reduces the oh so convincing power of the passionate ‘self’. RESPONDENT: This brings up a dilemma in my mind. One of influence and existence. Sometimes I seem happy just to have removed an emotion’s substantial influence without trying to get to the core of it. I find it difficult going into emotions when I’m working so I guess that is why I only attempt to draw on what I have discovered about them to stay out of the spell of any arising emotions. I’m sure there is more to it than that though. For example I think self-doubt needs more investigating as I find sometimes that considering another’s point of view, the basis of some confusion. VINEETO: Fair enough, you only go as far as you want as fast as you want. As long as you ‘seem happy’ then that seems to work. I simply suggested a way to explore further in case the option to ‘stay out of the spell of any arising emotion’ is not enough for you. As for ‘self-doubt’ and ‘considering another’s point of view’ being ‘the basis of some confusion’ – that issue may be enough of a back pressure to investigate further, whenever the issue re-occurs. Just as some food of thought – although it might not have any relevance for your situation – I am posting you something I wrote at the time when I discovered the root cause for my continuous problems with authority and my fear to stand up for myself...
VINEETO: Did you enjoy your Easter holidays with some time of leisure and pleasure? RESPONDENT: No, not much time for leisure which is usually when I do my best digging into ‘me’. I can’t complain though, my life style is probably far better than most, considering that I work from home and all. And what about you, does your routine change in the holidays? VINEETO: My ‘routine’ changes – if I have any, apart from getting up some time in the day and going to bed at some time in the night, having a meal and paying my rent. But change of routine has not much to do with public holidays as I only work occasionally. I am working from home as well as going out to assist people sorting their financial business, and thus I can work sometimes at weekends or do nothing in the week, whatever seems best and whatever happens next. Having set out to do nothing really well I decided to keep my expenses as low as is sensible and only work as much as I need to meet those basic needs. This gives me free time to explore and enjoy, laze around and investigate the Human Condition or write and play on the ever-growing website. But going out for work is always a great opportunity to see if I am without malice and sorrow in every situation as much as at home. And increasingly I hardly find any qualitative difference between spending my time working for people or playing at home. * VINEETO: I found that to effectively explore emotions to the point of (virtually) eliminating them I had to experience them fully. Only by neither repressing, nor expressing, nor in any way rationally twisting the emotional experience could I meticulously observe, become fully aware of and sensibly contemplate on what is happening in my head, heart and guts and thus investigate the root cause of that particular emotion. Knowing that every emotion is part of the Human Condition relieved me from blaming myself or being resentful for having an emotion in the first place. In order to eliminate the particular emotion such that it would not return again and again, it was essential to explore it deeply at its core and to understand experientially how each emotion originated in my social identity and/or in my very sense of ‘being’. Once having seen the emotion in operation and understood its ramifications to their full extent there was no way I could feel the same way about a particular issue or situation – by having understood this specific piece of my identity it had been extinguished. Needless to say, this method has not the slightest thing to do with plain rationalization or spiritual dis-identification – proven by the very fact that it works, that it gets rid of the emotion permanently while increasingly allowing the sensual sensuousness and the pure delight of being alive. I know well the ‘occasional reluctance to explore’, yet the frustration of obviously going round in silly circles has always given me courage to stop wasting my time, to face the fear and ‘reluctance’ and do whatever was necessary to return to being happy and harmless. RESPONDENT: This brings up a dilemma in my mind. One of influence and existence. Sometimes I seem happy just to have removed an emotion’s substantial influence without trying to get to the core of it. I find it difficult going into emotions when I’m working so I guess that is why I only attempt to draw on what I have discovered about them to stay out of the spell of any arising emotions. I’m sure there is more to it than that though. For example I think self-doubt needs more investigating as I find sometimes that considering another’s point of view, the basis of some confusion. VINEETO: Fair enough, you only go as far as you want as fast as you want. As long as you ‘seem happy’ then that seems to work. I simply suggested a way to explore further in case the option to ‘stay out of the spell of any arising emotion’ is not enough for you. RESPONDENT: Actually it is not really good enough and I keep persisting even after many failed attempts to get at the root of an emotion. Being free to use bare awareness and not be caught by the emotions is I feel an important step and one which I seem to be gradually, getting the knack of. VINEETO: Yes, ‘to use bare awareness and not be caught by the emotions’ is absolutely essential for becoming actually free from the Human Condition. Emotions, feelings and beliefs (passionate convictions) are how one sees one’s instinctual passions in operation. They form the layer of our social conditioning which needs to be explored and removed – both for a happy and harmless life in Virtual Freedom and for an experiential understanding of the raw instinctual passions at our very core. And you probably have experienced the instant gratifications when a belief disappears, an emotion doesn’t turn up anymore, a snide remark from someone else falls flat and as being alive becomes gradually a play and a pleasure. RESPONDENT: Although, the suggested method of trying to recall a PCE to get out of stuckness only helped in that it brought the obstacle into focus. VINEETO: This is great success, don’t you think? To have ‘brought the obstacle into focus’ and to know what the obstacle is about which keeps you in ‘stuckness’ is an excellent starting position for investigation. Now this obstacle can be identified, labelled and experientially explored, using apperceptiveness to detect its reasons, connections, source and implications. This has nothing to do with the Buddhist method (Vipassana) of labelling a feeling and then dis-identifying from it. 180 degrees opposite again. An actualist labels the feeling to get the bugger by the throat, to explore it as a scientist, to check out its silliness or sensibility, to determine how it is part of the Human Condition and then, when all is said and done, to permanently step out of having that emotion. This final stepping out often results in a pure consciousness experience. Last night I was contemplating about Alan’s description of his ‘reflective contemplations’, ‘practising the actual’ and arriving here in the actual world and how this records with my experience. Further Alan says:
Recalling step by step my own process into a PCE last night I found that contemplation serves to focus on the direction – being happy, dismantling the self, comprehending enough of the real world in order to see the self in operation and to step out of it. Contemplation always helps to focus on and remove obstacles and then, with no feeling or belief interfering I can build up the sensuous awareness of this moment of being alive. The wind on the skin, the sounds around, the wiggling of my toe, visual delights, tastes and smells ... Increasing sensuousness tips over into gay abandon, the self as both the controller and the feeler are abandoned and bingo ... I am experiencing what I had previously only reflectively contemplated about – this moment of being alive as a flesh and blood body only. The gay abandon can, of course, also happen without the reflective part, as a nature experience, in sex or any time when sensual pleasure is sensuous enough to tip over into the self-less experience of being alive as a flesh and blood body only. RESPONDENT: Many times I find that an emotion withers away before I get a good look at it. It’s almost as if it is avoiding a detailed look. Up to now I’ve been unable to find a reason for this and guess that all that is required is more attempts and that it will eventually become clear. VINEETO: Emotions are a slippery lot. They build the basis for our identity, which is as cunning as all get out. Yet the actualism method can be applied to discover every trick – whatever the feeling or emotion that keeps me from being happy here, now, needs to be examined and understood and then, presto, I go back to being happy again. I find that emotions can wither for different reasons. Either I understand that it is silly to be emotional and make a deliberate choice to move on and ‘smell the coffee’ instead. Or the emotion has been investigated in detail and is just a leftover bad habit to be thrown out and then I can go back to enjoying the moment. If I have avoided an emotion it will for sure come back in a similar situation and thus give me another opportunity to notice it, feel it, face it, label it, explore it, understand it and step out of it. RESPONDENT: Sometimes I experience a quick deep understanding which is gone in a flash and I don’t even remember what I understood. What I do notice is that certain reactions don’t occur any more. VINEETO: These moments of a ‘quick deep understanding which is gone in a flash’ might well be the flash of a pure consciousness experience and are as such worth extending or recalling. The fact that ‘certain reactions don’t occur any more’ points to that possibility. What do you think? Vineeto’s & Richard’s Text ©The Actual Freedom Trust: 1997-. All Rights Reserved. Disclaimer and Use Restrictions and Guarantee of Authenticity |