VINEETO: You are just kidding, are you? You wrote to Peter:

RESPONDENT to Peter: So, here we go again. Btw, It just occurred to me that you and Vineeto might be the same person. No difference in writing styles. Anyone else notice this? Any photos of the ‘two’ of you?

VINEETO: Your intuition must have changed. Just lately you wrote to me:

RESPONDENT: I have perceived your care, which with pure love is compassion by the way, in most of your posts. So my next question is How did you get stuck with a head-fucker like Peter? ;-)

VINEETO: Should you care to investigate the facts you will find that Peter and I have very different writing styles, as we had different experiences on the path to freedom. What you perceive as similarity is that we both write about our discoveries based on facts, about the actual world. While you write about ‘knowing’ and ‘vision’ based on imagined feelings or intuition – a common practise in the ‘higher levels’ of the spiritual world.

Furthermore, I have sent you a photograph, don’t you remember – you had even asked me which of the girls was me.

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RESPONDENT to Peter: Do you get that everyone must leave this body?

PETER: No, when I die, I die, for I am this body. There is nothing to ‘leave this body’.

RESPONDENT to Peter: You’re in for a very rude awakening I’m afraid.

VINEETO: Are you maybe referring to the Ancient Wisdom of Christianity, Islam, Shinto or Buddhism? This is what I found in their Scriptures and it looks very similar to your warning of the ‘very rude awakening’ –

[quote]: ‘My Pure Land is not destroyed, though all view it as being burned up, and grief and horror and distress thus fill them to the full. Those creatures, full of sin by reason of their evil karma, throughout kalpas numberless hear not the name of the most Precious Three.’ Buddha, Lotus Sutra 16

[quote]: ‘The victorious World-renovator and his helpers... shall make the existence renovated – ageless, deathless, unputrifying, uncorruptible, ever-living, ever benefiting, ruling at will. The dead shall rise up, life shall prevail indestructible, and existence shall be renovated at the will of God! The worlds shall be deathless, by the will of Right, benefiting all! Evil will stand against, but will flee away, here and there causing death to the holy and his progeny and creatures, but running to its death and destruction at the will of the Judge!’ Zarathustra, Avesta, Zamyad Yast 19.11-12

[quote]: ‘Those who believe in God and repent will witness the coming of the new world, and they will be able to start on the road to salvation. But those still heavily burdened with sin and unable to overcome their malicious ways will end this life in absolute misery and may find no salvation in the next.’ Sekai-Kyusei-Kyo. Johrei’

[quote]: The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.’ Jesus, Matthew 13.47-50

[quote]: ‘On the day when the earth will be changed to other than the earth, and the heavens likewise, and they will come forth unto God, the One, the Almighty. You will see the guilty on that day linked together in chains, their raiment of pitch, and the Fire covering their faces – that God may repay each soul what it has earned. Lo! God is swift at reckoning.’ Mohamed, Qur’an 14.42-51

RESPONDENT to Peter: And war is not a waste, it is only suffering that awakens anybody, so from this heightened perspective, it serves. And it’s not like they aren’t going to die anyway ;-)

VINEETO: Sounds like Ancient Eastern Wisdom or dis-associated cruelty again, this time from the Bhagavad Gita –

[quote]: ‘For a warrior, nothing is higher than a war against evil. The warrior confronted with such a war should be pleased, Arjuna, for it comes as an open gate to heaven. But if you do not participate in this battle against evil, you will incur sin, violating your dharma and your honour... Death means the attainment of heaven; victory means the enjoyment of the earth. Therefore rise up, Arjuna, resolved to fight! Having made yourself alike in pain and pleasure, profit and loss, victory and defeat, engage in this great battle and you will be freed from sin.’ Bhagavad Gita 2.31-38

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RESPONDENT to Peter: Anyway, I do understand what causes people to kill each other. It is called identification or ego, and I’m afraid Gurdjieff said it way before you Peter. Sorry to tell you this, old boy.

PETER: I take it that you deleted the post on the Zen Wars where the dis-identification of the spiritual path is discussed.at reasonable length. A reading of history will reveal that many wars have been fought at the selfish whim of political, religious and tribal leaders, often against any handy enemy, as a means of enhancing the leaders’ own power, authority and greatness. Those who follow these leaders do so as a means of enhancing their own power, authority and greatness as a member of a stronger group. And on, and on, and on it goes. One group against another group.

RESPONDENT to Peter: Of course. Power crazed leaders create the wars. And their asleep followers follow.

VINEETO: Yeah, those ‘power crazed leaders’ were spurned by their gods and gurus to come forth and defend the truth and the master – just as sannyasins were called forth to protect their master who endangered himself by his own aggressive strategies against the American Christians. And, as you say, ‘their asleep followers follow’ . This is nothing new under the sun. Already Buddha told his disciples to ‘aggressively defeat the evil opponents of Buddhism’ –

[quote]: ‘Good Men! In order to uphold the true dharma, you must arm yourselves with swords and bows and arrows even if you cannot observe the Five Commandments and maintain your dignity. No matter how hard a man preaches, unless he aggressively defeats the evil opponents of Buddhism, he would not be able to save himself and others. You should know that such a person is an idle man. Even if he observes commandments and practices pure conduct, you should know, he will not attain Buddhahood. Should a monk upholding the true dharma aggressively defeat violators of the Buddhist commandments, probably they all would become angry and try to harm him. Even if he were killed, he is worth being called an observer of the commandments and a saviour of himself and others.’ Buddha, Mahaparinirvana Sutra

Your recurring theme on each mail – [Respondent]: Meditation is to be of one mind. [endquote].

I was always wondering how one can be of ‘one mind’ – since people have so many different minds. And meditation, as far as I have understood, is to ‘put your mind aside’. Now I found where the expression of ‘to be of one mind’ could have originated –

[quote]: ‘And the Lord called his people Zion, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.’ Moses 7.18

RESPONDENT: Where do you get that I am attached to your idea of what spirituality is? If you read what I said above without reading into it to find something spiritual (read wrong), you might actually understand that we’re probably saying the same thing.

VINEETO: Where I get that your are talking about spirituality? From every single word you write:

[Respondent]: We usually use the word mind to mean the ego conditioned mind, the reactive programming. When we observe or witness this mind in meditation, we see that it is never one. It is dualistic, at least! All the voices are there. When we have sufficiently awakened, we can put this mind in its proper place. Then we can effectively use it. So, coming from an evolved consciousness, one can be in meditation (the word used as an awakened state) and being of one mind. It is from this space that communication happens. [endquote].

Spirituality talks of ego and mind as the problem and leaves the soul, being, watcher, Consciousness intact. It never questions the identity that one ‘feels’ one is. Spirituality believes in the ‘spirit’, in an inner world of feelings, love, compassion, with an inner identity, ‘the watcher’.

As I wrote to you before:

[Vineeto]: ‘What is usually completely overlooked is that there is not only an ‘ego’ controlling our thoughts, but also a ‘soul’ producing our emotions and that both are running on the fuel of our innate animal survival instincts. Both, ego and soul, have to be eliminated in order to experience an actual freedom from the Human Condition. Only without the intricate system of instincts, emotions and beliefs can the magnificent perfection of actuality be experienced, which is then it self-evident and obvious. Actual Freedom is neither a devastating truth nor a mystery to be lost in – but the continuous experience of this abundant life in this pure and infinite universe, experienced through the physical senses.’

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VINEETO: To realise that we ‘have a mind rather than it having us’, as you so aptly say, I also realised that we need to get rid of ‘us’, not get rid of the ‘mind’. The moment ‘mind’ is cleaned from ‘me’, the beliefs, feelings, emotions and instinctual passions, mind can function perfectly and sensibly, not interfered by fear, aggression, nurture or desire.

That, in short, is the difference between spirituality and actual freedom.

Eradicating ‘I’ and ‘me’ from body and brain lets one function smoothly, sensately and sensibly as a flesh-and-blood-body only.

RESPONDENT: ... you might actually understand that we’re probably saying the same thing. Is not your eradicating, dropping? or seeing the conditioned mind to go past it?, or as I said... put it in its right place?

VINEETO: Why do you think we got banned from the Sannyas list? You seem to be the only one who still insists that you and I are talking about the same thing. And why do you want to think that it should be the same thing anyway? Would it be less disconcerting what discoveries Peter and I are reporting? Is it to confirm that you are already on the right path, just a few ‘semantic differences’?

When I say, I eradicate an emotion I mean that I go to the root of that particular emotion. What I find, if I dig deep enough, is fear as part of the survival instinct, the ‘self’. To question that ‘self’, including its big brother, the ‘higher Self’, is to eventually chip away at the emotion-producing agent of this psychological and psychic entity inside of me. Once that particular emotion is investigated, traced to its root and then eradicated, it has no place at all, no right place and no wrong place – it does not exist – its passionate but imaginary nature has been exposed.

When you say you are ‘dropping’ an emotion, that simply means letting the idea go in favour of ‘going past it’ to the bigger idea of ‘becoming one’, of ‘evolving consciousness’, of enlightenment where you then become one with everything. This identity of the big ‘Self’ has never been questioned before. Dropping is not the same thing as eradicating at all. It is 180 degrees in the opposite direction to spirituality. (see diagram ‘180-degrees’)

Actual freedom is about being here in this physical universe only, as this physical body only, perceiving as the physical senses only. There is neither god, nor soul, nor compassion, nor witnessing, nor feeling, nor intuition in actual freedom. There is only this abundant, magical, perfect, infinite and pure universe, experienced through the physical senses of this flesh-and-blood-body.

Can you see the difference?

For your further clarification I post a nine point description of Richard about actual freedom:

Richard: 1. There are three ways of experiencing the world of people, things and events: 1. sensate (senses); 2. cerebral (thoughts); 3. affective (feelings). The feelings include both the affectionate and desirable emotions/ passions (those that are loving and trusting) and hostile and invidious emotions/ passions (those that are hateful and fearful).

2. All sentient beings are born with instinctual passions like fear and aggression and nurture and desire genetically bestowed by blind nature which give rise to a rudimentary animal ‘self’ – which is ‘being’ itself – that human beings with their ability to think and reflect upon their mortality have transformed into a ‘me’ as soul (a ‘feeler’ in the heart) and an ‘I’ as ego (a ‘thinker’ in the head).

3. Thus there are three I’s altogether but only one is actual (sensate) and not an identity; I am this flesh and blood body being apperceptively aware. The primary cause of all the wars and murders and rapes and tortures and domestic violence and child abuse and suicides and so on is the instinctual passions which give rise to malice and sorrow and the antidotally generated pacifiers of love and compassion which, if sublimated and transcended, give rise to Love Agapé and Divine Compassion. This ‘Tried and True’ solution to all the ills of humankind lies within the ‘Human Condition’ and, as it has had 3,000 to 5,000 years to demonstrate its efficacy, can be discarded as being the ‘Tried and Failed’.

4. I am mortal in that I was born, I live for a period of years, then I die and death is the end, finish. The material universe is infinite and eternal and was here before I was born and will be here after I die.

5. There are three worlds altogether but only one is actual; there is nothing other than this actual, physical universe (the normal ‘reality’ as experienced by 6.0 billion human beings is an illusion and the abnormal ‘Reality’ as experienced by 0.0000001 of the population is a delusion born out of the illusion because of the self-aggrandising tendency of the narcissism born of the survival instincts).

6. Peace-on-earth can become apparent to anyone at all irregardless of gender, age or race because the perfection of the infinitude of this spatial and temporal universe is already always here at this place in infinite space ... now at this moment in eternal time.

7. When ‘I’ as ego and ‘me’ as soul psychologically and psychically self-immolate – which is the end of ‘being’ itself – then the answer to the ‘Mystery Of Life’ becomes evident as an on-going existential experiencing; I am this physical universe experiencing itself as a reflective, sensate human being; as me, the universe is intelligent (there is no anthropomorphic ‘Intelligence’ that is creating or running existence).

8. There is a wide and wondrous path to actual freedom: One asks oneself, each moment again, ‘how am I experiencing this moment of being alive’? This gives rise to apperception. Apperception is the outcome of the exclusive attention paid to being alive right here and now. Apperception is to be the senses as a bare awareness, a pure consciousness experience (PCE) of the world as-it-is, which happens when the mind becomes aware of itself. Apperception is an awareness of consciousness. It is not ‘I’ being aware of ‘me’ being conscious; it is the mind’s awareness of itself.

9. The day finally dawns where the definitive moment of being here, right now, conclusively arrives; something irrevocable takes place and every thing and every body and every event is different, somehow, although the same physically; something immutable occurs and every thing and every body and every event is all-of-a-sudden undeniably actual, in and of itself, as a fact; something irreversible happens and an immaculate perfection and a pristine purity permeates every thing and every body and every event; something has changed forever, although it is as if nothing has happened, except that the entire world is a magical fairytale-like playground full of incredible gladness and a delight which is never-ending.

Put succinctly: ‘my’ demise was as fictitious as ‘my’ apparent presence; I have always been here, in this actual world of sensorial delight, one realises, for it was that ‘I’ only imagined ‘I’ existed; ‘my’ presence had been but an emotional/ passional play in a fertile imagination; an emotional/ passional play which fuelled actual hormonal substances, however, triggered off from within the brain-stem by the instinctual emotions/ passions bestowed per favour blind nature. Thus the psyche – the entire affective faculty born of the survival instincts themselves – is wiped out forever and one is finally what one has actually been all along: a sensitive and reflective flesh-and-blood body simply brimming with sense organs revelling in this sensuous world of immediate experience. As this flesh-and-blood body only one is this infinite, eternal, and perdurable universe experiencing itself as an apperceptive human being ... as such it is stunningly aware of its own infinitude. And this is truly wonderful.

Thus the search for meaning amidst the debris of the much-vaunted human hopes and dreams and schemes has come to its timely end. With the end of both ‘I’ and ‘me’, the distance or separation between both ‘I’ and ‘me’ and these sense organs – and thus the external world – disappears. To be living as the senses is to live a clear and clean awareness – apperception – a pure consciousness experience of the world as-it-is. Because there is no ‘I’ as a thinker (a little person inside one’s head) or a ‘me’ as a feeler (a little person in one’s heart) – to have sensations happen to them, I am the sensations. The entire affective faculty vanishes ... blind nature’s software package of instinctual passions is deleted. There is nothing except the series of sensations which happen ... not happening to an ‘I’ or a ‘me’ but just happening ... moment by moment ... one after another. To live life as these sensations, as distinct from having them, engenders the most astonishing sense of freedom and magic. Consequently, I am living in peace and tranquillity; a meaningful peace and tranquillity. Life is intrinsically purposeful, the reason for existence lies openly all around. Being this very air I live in, I am constantly aware of it as I breathe it in and out; I see it, I hear it, I taste it, I smell it, I touch it, all of the time. It never goes away – nor has it ever been away – it was just that ‘I’ and/or ‘me’ was standing in the way of the meaning of life being apparent.

Life is not a vale of tears. Richard, Actual Freedom Mailing List, No 4

19.2.1999

RESPONDENT: ... you might actually understand that we’re probably saying the same thing. Is not your eradicating, dropping? or seeing the conditioned mind to go past it?, or as I said... put it in its right place?

VINEETO: Why do you think we got banned from the Sannyas list?

RESPONDENT: Probably for proselytizing. And being against Osho.

VINEETO: You seem to be the only one who still insists that you and I are talking about the same thing. And why do you want to think that it should be the same thing anyway? Would it be less disconcerting what discoveries Peter and I are reporting? Is it to confirm that you are already on the right path, just a few ‘semantic differences’?

RESPONDENT: I think I know where you guys are. I’ve been there. I learned to transform emotionality into sensation a long time ago. When I came to Osho, I found my heart.

VINEETO: When I say, I eradicate an emotion I mean that I go to the root of that particular emotion. What I find, if I dig deep enough, is fear as part of the survival instinct, the ‘self’. To question that ‘self’, including its big brother, the ‘higher Self’, is to eventually chip away at the emotion-producing agent of this psychological and psychic entity inside of me. Once that particular emotion is investigated, traced to its root and then eradicated, it has no place at all, no right place and no wrong place – it does not exist – its passionate but imaginary nature has been exposed.

RESPONDENT: So what? So now you have no feelings, no heart.

I have lived long enough in the spiritual world to know all its options, seductions and failures. There is nothing there that would pull me back into the world of spirits, gods and demons, dharma and karma, bliss and dread, compassion and sorrow. I know, that where I am, in the actual world, life is far superior to any of the time that I have lived in the spiritual realms of emotions, feelings, beliefs and their underlying instinctual passions. So I will not budge an inch from my aim to completely and irrevocably extinguish the remainder of my self, the psychological and psychic entity in me.

You have stated clearly that becoming happy and harmless is not an interest you take into account, and that particularly becoming harmless is not on your agenda. For me, that is where our conversation ends. I am not out to convince you that you should want to become happy and harmless if you don’t want to. I have tried to convey the magnificence of living in the actual world without the colouring, distorting, interpreting and fettering of the ‘self’. It obviously did not appeal to you.

Nevertheless, should you become interested at some point in time you are welcome to cruise our website and Richard’s website or join the Actual Freedom mailing list. There is always a possibility that one’s life is at some point in time not as satisfactory as it may appear now. I have been ‘bothering to write’ to you because, who knows, you, or somebody reading our correspondence, might understand that Actual Freedom is something completely new and different to the spiritual beliefs – and that it offers a genuine alternative to the failure of the spiritual practice in bringing peace to the world.

So, it’s bye from me for now. It has been great pleasure for me but I don’t see any point in continuing the silly battle of ‘tis-‘tisn’t sort of discussion that we had for the last several times. I leave you with a description of happy and harmless from Richard:

Richard: ‘There is an unimaginable purity that is born out of the stillness of the infinitude as manifest at this moment in time and this place in space ... but one will not come upon it by thinking about or feeling out its character. It is most definitely not a matter to be pursued in the rarefied atmosphere of the most refined mind or the evocative milieu of the most impassioned heart. To proceed thus is to become involved in a fruitless endeavour to make life fit into one’s own petty demands and desires.

Life is not like that ... one has only to look into the marvels of nature to see that life-forms have arranged themselves in a myriad of exquisitely delicate shapes, colours, textures, qualities and character. So too has the universe gracefully arranged itself in regards to providing intrinsic meaning. The universe is innately perfect and pure. It is already always immaculate and consummate. Nothing ‘dirty’ can breach the blameless bastions of this unimpeachable purity and perfection ... even the most profound thoughts and the most sublime feelings are self-centred. The self – ‘I’ – is not only defiled, it is corrupt through and through. ‘I’ am perversity itself. No matter how sincerely and earnestly one tries to purify oneself, one can never succeed completely. The last little bit always eludes perfecting. ‘I’ am rotten at the very core.

There is one thing that ‘I’ can do, however, to remedy the situation. ‘I’ can disappear. Psychological and psychic self-immolation is the only sensible sacrifice that ‘I’ can make in order to reveal perfection. Life is bursting with meaning when ‘I’ am no longer present to mess things up. ‘I’ stand in the way of that purity being apparent. ‘My’ presence prohibits perfection being evident. ‘I’ prevent the very meaning to life, which ‘I’ am searching for, from coming into plain view. The main trouble is that ‘I’ wish to remain in existence to savour the meaning; ‘I’ mistakenly think that meaning is the product of the mind and the heart. Nothing could be further from the truth. Richard’s Journal, Article 17

24.2.1999

VINEETO: So that’s what it has been all along – your compassion has been wasted on me safe for the fact that you had fun and I had fun writing about Actual Freedom.

Look, I have no idea where you are heading to in this conversation. Are you trying to convince me that what you say and what I say are not so far apart. Are you trying to pull me back into the spiritual camp? Or are you just contradicting as some kind of ‘sport’?

RESPONDENT: All of the above.

I was (compassionately) attempting to show you how stuck you are, and here you go in the next paragraph admitting it. I really do know: there is no teaching anyone anything unless they are totally open and totally ready to learn it; yet I do enjoy the play of trying. I have also enjoyed our rantings.

VINEETO: I have lived long enough in the spiritual world to know all its options, seductions and failures. There is nothing there that would pull me back into the world of spirits, gods and demons, dharma and karma, bliss and dread, compassion and sorrow. I know, that where I am, in the actual world, life is far superior to any of the time that I have lived in the spiritual realms of emotions, feelings, beliefs and their underlying instinctual passions. So I will not budge an inch from my aim to completely and irrevocably extinguish the remainder of my self, the psychological and psychic entity in me.

Did it ever occur to you that all of the words you so generously and compassionately have used describing my state of mind are applicable to yourself? New Dark Age people call it projection – blaming someone for the attributes one doesn’t like to see in human beings including oneself. I will give you a few examples of your extensive compassionate analysis:

[Respondent]:

• Nice try, but when you use words like eliminated, instead of awareness, you are revealing your repressing control trip.
• I don’t wish to comment on each of your comments. I don’t feel you hear me. What I get back from you are the same tired projections ... your words about gurus, superiority etc. And ironically, you don’t seem to understand that people are at different levels of consciousness.
• But, given that you are stuck in some belief trip, this is understandable, because humans can’t see up very much.
• Probably this is how you misunderstand what masters are up to. You just don’t get it and to cover your hurt ego you pretend you know something. And to convince yourselves, you must desperately try to convert others. Once one has awakened, on any level, it is crystal clear to see down.
• On a subconscious level, you probably continue to write to this list ... so someone will get thru to you sleepy heads.
• Vineeto, you remained in the duality of good/bad emotions. And right/wrong beliefs. All, throughout 17 years of Sannyas!!!
• As I said before, I don’t get that you hear me ... so since I am not addicted to endlessly arguing, as apparently you both are...
• Now if your bent is to believe, for example your belief that you have no ego, then you can make a belief out of anything.
• What makes it impossible to talk together is the total lack of flexibility exposed by you to understand the meaning implied in other’s words. It seems to me you are only able to understand your own terminology.
• ... but more to do with people stuck believing that where they are is the only truth.
• You couldn’t begin to appreciate anything I would say, because first you will judge it by your filters that you so conveniently listed below. You will either block the meaning or choose to misunderstand whatever is said that you don’t immediately agree with. This is called being close minded btw.
• It is apparent to many on this list that you don’t dialogue, only preach. And you don’t let this in. This is why you are boring us. You are incapable of really communicating. Your typing, on the other hand, is superb.
• I was (compassionately) attempting to show you how stuck you are, ... [endquotes].

Projection is made up of attack and defence, firmly locked into the morals of good and bad, right and wrong. I have learned to see all our human ‘heritage’ simply as the Human Condition ... the Human Condition, which is made of the genetically inherited animal instincts we are equipped with, overlaid by the social identity we learn and, in later years, refine into the much tooted identity, be it secular or spiritual. And unless you have discovered and eliminated this Human Condition in yourself, clear thinking and straight seeing of the facts without projection, the distorting interpretation of the ‘self’ is not possible. And with clarity, common sense, benevolence and consideration operating, who needs compassion?

When I compare my life now to my life as a spiritual seeker, I could say I am now driving a Rolls Royce compared to the old bicycle of spiritual methods. Who would want to swap back to the old bike, even if it is offered with compassion? You will have to book me as a failure. And, seeing that you are in the ‘old bicycle’ business I can give you the information that ‘old bicycles’ are pretty out of date by now. The Ancient Wisdom of ‘trust and surrender’ has been superseded by an actual freedom where everyone can experience the purity, perfection and magnificence of the actual world for themselves in a pure consciousness experience, where everyone can explore and discover for themselves their beliefs, feelings, emotions and instinctual passions, and where everyone can become free for themselves. Neither gurus nor counsellors are needed and they are of no use at all. They are now exposed for what they are – power-hungry and Self-centred narcissists who use their compassion to trap as many followers into their net as possible. As you have stated yourself:

RESPONDENT: And as for the term harmless, I don’t care for the implications of powerlessness that I hear in this word. Reminds me of an image of an impotent over-the-hill codger. I prefer compassionate.

VINEETO: I have found the genuine article, I have found the ‘Rolls Royce’ of Actual Freedom. When you not only examine your ego but give particular attention and scrutiny to your soul, i.e. your feelings, your ‘truths’ and particularly the so-called ‘good’ emotions of Divine Love and Compassion, then you will find lurking underneath the instinctual passions all humans are programmed with. Divine Love is nothing but the cultivation of the ‘good emotions’ instead of the ‘bad emotions’, and with the ‘ego’ of the ‘lower’ emotions gone – whoops, there the ‘self’ appears again, this time as ‘I AM THAT’, ‘I AM THE UNIVERSE’, ‘I AM IN ALL OF YOU’ – I think you will recognize the terms.

Taking the third alternative to normal and spiritual you can now eliminate both ego and soul and come into this actual world of purity, magnificence, infinitude and perfection. But then you will end up a happy and harmless old codger, a delight to yourself and everyone else, but without control, magnetism, secret power or any other mystical twaddle produced by collective imagination. You will end up like Alan described it in a letter to our list:

[Alan]: ‘My senses are increased a hundredfold, a thousand fold, the whole of my body is ‘jangling’ with nerve endings experiencing a constant influx of sensations. Everything sounds so loud. The obviousness of perfection lies all around. It is just such a delight to be here as this body, with the enormous array of sensory input, which is almost overpowering, yet so simple. There is nothing complicated here, in this moment. There is an overwhelming sense of ‘rightness’ – an ease of just being here – this is how life was meant to be, everything is perfect and nothing can possibly go ‘wrong’. I actually am the universe experiencing itself and what else can I be – wow!!’ Alan, Actual Freedom Mailing List, 18.2.1999

So, it’s goodbye from me now. We have come to the end of a sensible conversation. Should you ever be discontented with the restriction of the spiritual blinkers of loyalty and pride and want to explore beyond the boundaries of the spiritual world, you know where to find the description of a way out. I wish you the very best.

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