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Vineeto’s Correspondence on Mailing List D Correspondent No 3
VINEETO: Hi No 3, RESPONDENT No 5 to Richard: How can I be sure? You explain in a way that everyone can understand? RESPONDENT No 1: No 5, Richard uses an Oxford Dictionary for a pillow at night while he sleeps, and his PCE absorbs all the words and meanings which he altruistically uses to razzle-dazzle us into understanding his present state of mind (whatever that is). In other words, don’t worry about not understanding Richard, for he delights in being the only one of his kind in the world, of all time, and if you understood him, then he could not be the undisputed ruler and sole owner of all that he knows and understands. VINEETO: No 1, this is such a silly comment that I was tempted to send in a reply. I have been reading on the list since months, but never wrote. Personally, I can understand what Richard writes, and the longer I read the easier it is for me to understand his explanations about animal instincts, the human condition and a way to peace-on-earth. I am applying the method that he has described on the list many times since two years, with great success. Therefore your argument of him being ‘the undisputed ruler and sole owner of all that he knows and understands’ is simply a silly excuse – for if you actually understand what Richard talks about, peace-on-earth in this lifetime, then that understanding calls for unilateral action, for changing oneself. And who would want to give up their comfortable concepts and theories and start actually investigating themselves and changing their behaviour in order to become actually free of malice and sorrow? It is so much easier to find fault with the one who is talking about peace-on-earth than to get off one’s bum and investigate one’s own emotions, isn’t it? RESPONDENT No 2: Looks to me like you wanted to defend your guru, Vineeto. RESPONDENT: Yes Vineeto deeply understands Gurus and unilateral action. It got her off her bum to investigate my emotions and discuss my internet anonymity and try and change me, on Richards mailing list. So I shall take the same liberty. Vineeto ironically still retains the sannyas title bestowed on her during 17 years of devotion sitting at the feet of Rajneesh (Osho). Her silly excuse is that her original name is too difficult to pronounce, but secretly, I think a third alternative and changing oneself doesn’t apply when one is emotionally attached to a name. Apparently words and their precise meanings are important to actualists but not names. Vineeto and Peter (also a once staunch Rajneeshee for many years) help Richard run the Actual Freedom website from their networked computers in Byron Bay. Byron Bay is the funny farm town of Australia, famed for its crack pots and old hippy
nutters. So whenever I tell my Aussie friends about Richard in Byron Bay they promptly turn off ‘He’s crazy!’ they laugh
‘Byron Bay is the Mecca for weirdo’s and cult members, there’s hundreds of people like him living there’ and refuse to
discuss it further. Now one would think that if someone ‘Actually Cares’ about his fellow man – as much as Richard rubs in
that he does compared to our lousy love – and really has found a third alternative, offering freedom from malice and sorrow, he
need only move a few hours up the coast to Surfers Paradise or Brisbane to be free of Byron Bay’s stigma, and gain credibility.
But perhaps his war pension can only afford Byron Bay’s dole-bludger rents or he is emotionally attached to the hippy town. And
why has Richard been unable to garner even one, of his four children to appear on their father’s mailing list to support and
confirm his wide and wondrous Actual Freedom with it’s Peace-on-Earth, but none of them have. (Editors
note: see link here
He seems oblivious to the fact that nothing is spreading like a chain letter! Not even to Richards most un-tantalized children! Perhaps No 1 was on to something when she wrote:
VINEETO: Thank you for your extensive introduction of myself – it saves me a
lot of explaining. My life is an open book and anyone who wants to ascertain facts as opposed to your ‘get in quick and sling
some mud’ interpretation can read them on As for the rest of your cyber slash-and-burn speech – it clearly proves the point I was making –
RESPONDENT: Vineeto ironically still retains the sannyas title bestowed on her during 17 years of devotion sitting at the feet of Rajneesh (Osho). Her silly excuse is that her original name is too difficult to pronounce, but secretly, I think a third alternative and changing oneself doesn’t apply when one is emotionally attached to a name. Apparently words and their precise meanings are important to actualists but not names. Vineeto and Peter (also a once staunch Rajneeshee for many years) help Richard run the Actual Freedom website from their networked computers in Byron Bay. Byron Bay is the funny farm town of Australia, famed for its
crack pots and old hippy nutters. So whenever I tell my Aussie friends about Richard in Byron Bay they promptly turn off ‘He’s
crazy!’ they laugh ‘Byron Bay is the Mecca for weirdoes and cult members, there’s hundreds of people like him living
there’ and refuse to discuss it further. Now one would think that if someone ‘Actually Cares’ about his fellow man – as
much as Richard rubs in that he does compared to our lousy love – and really has found a third alternative, offering freedom
from malice and sorrow, he need only move a few hours up the coast to Surfers Paradise or Brisbane to be free of Byron Bay’s
stigma, and gain credibility. But perhaps his war pension can only afford Byron Bay’s dole bludger rents or he is emotionally
attached to the hippy town. (Editorial note: see link here VINEETO: Thank you for your extensive introduction of myself – it saves me a
lot of explaining. My life is an open book and anyone who wants to ascertain facts as opposed to your ‘get in quick and sling
some mud’ interpretation can read them on RESPONDENT: And what a crocodile ‘Thank you’ that is! VINEETO: Oh, would you instead prefer one of No 4’s ‘deep bow, Good Friend’? RESPONDENT: We are all entitled to investigate doubts about the validity of His Impeccable Highness (Richard). But your pseudo-actualism is to charge in, in his defence, thereby diverting attention from the issue and pointing out the faults of others instead! All that does is make your own hypocritical cynicism and insincerity blatantly obvious. What you call your ‘mud’ (how telling) is, as you then offered, available at the click of a link! So how did I save you from ‘a lot of explaining’? How quickly you condemn others for not getting off their backsides whilst here you are fiercely defending and nurturing your own faults. VINEETO: The issue on hand was about No 5 and No 1 saying they did not understand what Richard is talking about and therefore I did not divert from the issue at all. Vis:
Quite the contrary, it is your charging in on my post to No. 1 with a diversion about the stigmatised town of Byron Bay that is obfuscating the issue on hand. Are you really saying that you doubt what Richard is saying because of where he lives? If this is the depth of using your entitlement ‘to investigate doubts about the validity of His Impeccable Highness (Richard)’ then your investigations do seem a touch shallow. Further, I am not condemning others in pointing out a typical trait of the Human Condition in action –
The alleged condemnation is your personal interpretation. Passing the buck is a typical trait, common to all, something that every child born soon develops as a defence mechanism. By the time I came across Richard I was tired of running this game and this awareness enabled me to see that I was exactly like every other human being, programmed with instinctual passions and instilled with a social identity and consequently ensnared in the Human Condition. In the Middle Age is was common royal practice to execute any messenger who came with unpleasant news. * VINEETO: As for the rest of your cyber slash-and-burn speech – it clearly proves the point I was making –
RESPONDENT: Hokey dokey ... so the facts about Byron Bay ‘feel’ like a cyber slash-and-burn threat to ‘you’, do they? To me they are just the facts. Is this what you call successfully living the third alternative – freedom from the human condition – laying your beliefs over actual facts? If your neo cortex is getting anywhere near freedom from the limbic system (emotional brain) then your new found mental clarity or Richards would have discerned by now, that living in stigmatised Byron Bay is what is slashing-and-burning any credibility for Actual Freedom. VINEETO: What you call ‘actual facts about Byron Bay’ is fashionable put-down, mistaking the largely tourist town of Byron Bay for Nimbin, the famous Australian hippie-town. As for the ‘Mecca for weirdoes and cult-members’ – holidaymakers from all over Australia and the rest of the world are as much taken by the charm of this seaside village as are spiritual teachers of all shapes and sizes that come to visit. Their disciples then gather from their secluded hideouts in the nearby hills to bathe in their sacred presence. Personally I don’t have any ‘stigma’ at all living in this town. RESPONDENT: Surely you have more pressing priorities than writing petty posts to mailing lists. VINEETO: Oh no, I don’t have any ‘more pressing priorities’. I have cleaned up my act, discovered the intrinsic meaning of life and therefore have nothing pressing left to do (and my clothes need no ironing). However, writing to a self-proclaimed God and a self-avowed devil’s advocate about peace-on-earth is not quite what I would call ‘writing petty posts’. * VINEETO: It is so much easier to find fault with the one who is talking about peace-on-earth than to get off one’s bum and investigate one’s own emotions, isn’t it? Cheers Vineeto RESPONDENT: Spare me the phoney ‘cheers’ Vineeto, and the repetitive childish sentences like the above. You don’t live it, so you sound hypocritical preaching it. Actualists advocate altruism, but you can’t even give up your own messy backyard let alone ‘I’ as ego or ‘me’ as soul. VINEETO: As your assumption that I ‘don’t live it’ is purely based on what I write and you continuously reject what I am saying, then you have obviously, yet again, come to the end of your investigations, or should I say, condemnations. Do you seriously consider it to be a matter of altruism to live in the Blue Mountains, on the Gold Coast or in Alice Springs instead of Byron Bay? Methinks you are desperately clutching at straws. * VINEETO: From the actual world where I live I have experienced increasing success ever since I started to apply the method – I am living with a man in perfect equity, peace and harmony for 24 hrs a day and I am having a perfect day 99% of my time. RESPONDENT: Well what you imagine you are experiencing and the facts are two different things. VINEETO: I consider living in perfect peace and harmony with at least one other human being a great and factual success. Nowhere do I see man and woman living together without the inevitable continuing of the overt and covert power battle between the genders or a sort of a mutually-agreed ceasefire or compromise by both parties that passes for a ‘good’ relationship. If everyone on earth were capable of living with one other person in perfect equity, peace and harmony, there would be no domestic violence, no child abuse, no murder out of jealousy, no brow-beaten husbands, no homes for beaten wives and no rape and no prostitution. RESPONDENT: Here you are co-responding contemptuously with your fellow man, thereby inciting same, and calling it having a successful and perfect day. VINEETO: I’m not co-responding at all – it is you who are writing to me telling me where I am wrong, that I am hypocritical, that I don’t live whatever you imagine I should be living, that I am not living where you think I should be living, so that I can live how you imagine I should be living. My response is certainly dismissive, if that’s what you mean, because if the objections you raise in this post are an example of you using your ‘entitlement to investigate doubts about the validity of His Impeccable Highness (Richard)’ then you don’t have much to show for months and months of consistent investigation. And I consider having a perfect day 99% of my time actual success – for instance, I don’t feel contempt when I read other people’s mail or write to them and I also don’t have to revert to imagination, love, compassion or fantasy to ‘make my day better’ as people in the real world and spiritual world continuously do. If my replies to your posts incite contempt, why do you keep reading and why do you keep writing to me? RESPONDENT: And why on earth would someone who considers themselves 99% free of the human condition still gauge their ‘freedom from the instinctual passions’ by their ability to sustain a clingy monogamous self indulgent, ‘special’ relationship? Don’t you think it’s about time you graduated, and started living with ‘all of mankind’ in perfect equity, peace and harmony 24 hrs a day, regardless of where and who one does or does not, live with? Perhaps if the success of Actual Freedom was evident in the co-respondence of self proclaimed actualists, so many here wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss it as a farce. VINEETO: Again it is your idea of freedom from the Human Condition how one should live one’s life. And when you say – ‘regardless of where and who one does or does not, live with’ – why not Byron Bay and why not one man? It is you who are telling me where I should live, how I should live and who I should not live with. It is you who is imposing conditions on me and then accusing me of not living up to your ideal. Again your objections prove the very point I was making. You may find the repetition childish but you don’t seem to understand the content –
Pom poms
RESPONDENT: (your master’s cloned symbol noted) # ... VINEETO: # # *** *** *** # # Oh dear, oops, # another one, oops, # I can’t stop myself, they seem # to come out all # by themselves ... I think #, oops, I am taken over # by some entity, # oops, maybe I am channelling!?!? Let’s see. Speak, Master – # *deep bow* Good Friend, Much Love # Oh, no, wrong channel, this is some other master ... # You may rest now, Rupert ... Wrong channel again, this is yet another master ... Such confusion in these spheres, they all want to come through ... Oh well, never mind, I think I switch off the channels now, maybe another time ... But as my channelling has shown, these masters all use the same symbol (#). Have a good day.
VINEETO to No 1: I find it really cute that before Richard introduced the term ‘pure consciousness experience’ (PCE) to describe a non-affective experience where one is this flesh-and-blood-body only with the ‘self’, both ego and soul, being temporarily absent – the expression did not exist before. But his reports must have left a lasting impression because now on this list the PCE has magically been transformed into a body-less spiritual experience, such as an ‘unseparated, uncorrupted consciousness that is the universal consciousness itself moving as human consciousness’ (No 8), and now you call it a state where one cannot ‘stay in that pure consciousness state and physically exist’. To merely call an affective spiritual experience a pure consciousness experience does not change the fact that what is being talked about on this list are affective spiritual/ psychic experiences. Such is the cunning of the alien entity inside the human flesh-and-blood-body with its unconscious ‘self’-defensive and ‘self’-sustaining capacity... RESPONDENT No 1: Why do I get the feeling that Richard has been reincarnated as ‘Vineeto’ (just an aside). RESPONDENT: LOL :-) I had the exact same impression, but for me it was when I saw that affectatious expression ‘I find it cute’ that Richard is so ‘fond’ of sarcastically using and therefore with ridiculous inappropriation. Peter also parrots it ad-nauseam and I bet using it in such a silly manner never existed in their vocabulary either before Richard introduced it to ‘them’. VINEETO: I find it really cute that whenever you run out of factual arguments you pull me up on using Richard’s words or symbols. As I didn’t learn English in the schoolyard but only picked it up 25 years later, I have picked up a lot of phrases that I like from all over the place. You just happen to know about this one. RESPONDENT No 1: I used the term ‘pure consciousness experience’ deliberately to see how it felt to try it on – sort of like trying on a pair of blue jeans to see if they fit. It doesn’t, and they don’t. RESPONDENT: Actually Richard didn’t coin the term ‘Pure Consciousness’; it has been used in esoteric writing for 100’s of years! Go prove it yourself Richard. As for the words ‘experience’ or ‘event’ well those additions are no brainers, so I wonder, what’s all the silly possessiveness and pontificating about? Perhaps Vineeto is out to garner some more of that – what was it Richard called it – ‘experientially deserved self-congratulatory back-slapping’ LOL. VINEETO: I never said that Richard coined the term ‘pure consciousness’, if you bothered to read my post carefully before jumping in with another objection of your own creation. This is called ‘straw man argument’. What I said was –
Here is his own statement. Vis:
I just pointed out that using the phrase ‘pure consciousness experience’ was introduced to this list by Richard to describe a sensate body-only experience here in space and now in time as contrasted to the bodiless, timeless and spaceless affective experience.
VINEETO: I see that you have come to No. 8’s rescue although I get the impression that No. 8 can fend for himself very well. * VINEETO to No 8: ... you have made no attempt at all to understand how your mind works, to what extent your intelligence is clouded by feelings and emotions, nor have you observed how all human beings are affected and driven by the genetically-encoded instinctual passions and to what extremes they will go to in order to deny this simple fact. RESPONDENT: These outrageous assumptions about those you hardly know defy description Vineeto! Please be cautious and take your own advice ‘It is common knowledge that followers are blind when it comes to questioning and investigating the teachings of their own teacher’. You seem to be detrimentally infected by Richard’s petty malicious attitude and like a virus, it now seems to be propagating itself uncontrollably in ‘your’ psyche. Please take care. VINEETO: No worries, I take care. Malice is not a virus, every human being is genetically encoded with aggression, fear, nurture and desire and the whole point of my correspondence is to tell of my experience as to how one can erase that programming, if one is so inclined. If malice were merely a virus, there would have been a remedy for it long ago. My writing to No 8 is not an ‘outrageous assumption’ it is merely a representation of what he has said himself. Vis:
It is exactly because I don’t know No 8 that I am careful to only go by what he writes. RESPONDENT: In a rare moment of giving credit where credit is due, I recall Richard acknowledging his regard for No. 8 because, as he said No 8 has in his own way gotten off his backside long ago and dared to experientially explore – rather than mere book-learn – into his own psyche. Which is the human psyche. That he has the nerve to have done so and continues to do so – plus put his experience and expertise forward for peer-group review – is why I enjoy corresponding with him. VINEETO: This is in fact what Richard wrote to No 50 [List B] –
Isn’t it Richard who you consider to be malicious, who you berate because he lives in the wrong town, who you call arrogant, weird, socially autistic, not having a life, narrow minded, emotionally ill, full of egocentric parochial pride and deceit, etc. etc? And yet when it suits you, this same Richard becomes a valid authority to give No 8 credit by proxy. It is also interesting that you clipped the last piece off Richard’s post – ‘so rigorously, and at times, vigorously’. Are you objecting to my rigorous and vigorous discussions that I am having with No 8? Vineeto’s & Richard’s Text ©The Actual Freedom Trust: 1997-. All Rights Reserved. Disclaimer |
