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Vineeto’s Selected Correspondence Guilt
JESUSCARLOS: Yesterday I had a fundamentally bad time. At times neutral. But very rarely good.
Let’s not say very good. This is in stark contrast to my experience on Tuesday night, where I deeply contacted my naivety and experienced a lot of
pleasure in simply being alive. Today I woke up again with physical (I think I have a flu) and emotional discomfort. But within these few hours of the
morning, I was able to feel good again. And I remember again how it is essential to make the decision to feel good, to choose to feel good and not
follow old inclinations. It is a habit that I must overcome and now that I feel better I can observe it more carefully: I have resentment for the
simple fact of being alive and that things are not always the way “I” want them. It may help to analyze why I want what I want, but if I look
closer, I recognize that what I want is recognition. I long for recognition. I won’t say more because I will be observing that need throughout the
day and finding a way to free myself from it. VINEETO: Hi JesusCarlos, This reaction seems quite natural. I see that in your previous post you said –
Isn’t it amazing that you were be able to so quickly “feel good again”, due to having made “the decision to feel good”. Longing “for recognition” is not something superficial, it is an inbuilt feature of the human condition. You not only “long for recognition”, ‘you’ need it for ‘your’ very existence. ‘You’, the identity’, being a contingent ‘being’, cannot exist on ‘your’ own – ‘you’ require constant confirmation to justify and confirm ‘your’ existence, else ‘your’ non-substantial nature will become apparent. With this comes a desire to hide and a fear of being exposed as a fraud, an impostor. I remember feeling being ‘Vineeto’s’ reaction to this alarming discovery quite well.
So you see, you discovered straight away what the solution to longing “for recognition” will ultimately be. Cheers Vineeto
ANDREW: Thanks Vineeto. Indeed, I had never considered that I was/am looking for “incoming attacks” constantly. Again, I am left puzzled at how I was ever going to get anywhere with this! It reminds me of a comedian who recently talked about general anxiety, where he had thought it was perfectly normal to a certain way around people. (Video-clip) VINEETO: Hi Andrew, This is the basic instinctual programming of ‘what can I eat, what can eat me’ at its most basic. It expresses itself emotionally and in varying strength. You can observe it in animals, from the jellyfish to the most developed mammal, and of course in humans. I was quite surprised about its complete absence when I first became actually free, even though I knew it would happen. I was even wondering how I would get along without this constant instinctual compass, how to deal with other human beings. It turned out to be utterly fine and deliciously intimate to only meet flesh-and-blood bodies. Intelligence is indeed sufficient to assess each and every situation sensibly and act accordingly. Now, Richard discovered and described a process where one can not only subdue/ suppress/ repress those instinctual passions via the age-old laws of conduct, dating back millennia to some god/goddess or bodiless entity, but that one can, with pure intent, whittle away both the social identity and passions and feelings and eventually manumit the physical body from the entire instinctual-emotional identity as well. ANDREW: It’s less of a warrior, and more of a worrier. I know this because although I do remember saying what you remembered, it was I believe borrowed from someone else saying it, and when I heard them say it, I identified with it heavily. I was in my mid-twenties, in a large corporate setting talking to the drafting manager. At the same time I had been going through extreme psych/ spiritual events whilst leaving Christianity only a few years prior. The process went on for around 5 years. In that time I had even given myself a new private name, which was coupled with (in hindsight) sub-clinical hallucinations both visual and auditory. (All this is self diagnosing here) One of the things I had been contemplating in the last few weeks was the amount of terror I suppress. Specifically related to Christianity and the otherwise ghoulish nature of the doctrines of hell and sin. The medieval invention of hell, with its Dante and others horror was more real to me than I had previously thought. Wired into me, and intertwined with everyday anxiety which might be considered more “everyday” and normal. VINEETO: I appreciate your detailed feedback. You must have been particularly sensitive and impressible in that the doctrines and descriptions of hell and horror left such a lasting and persistent mark of terror on you. ANDREW: It may all well be something very normal, as there was always this sense that I was craving notoriety, that I had “no excuse” and craved something to explain my ineptitude. However, even typing that out I can see the “sin nature” doctrine speaking, That I am forever doomed except by the grace of god. VINEETO: It looks as if you haven’t left Christianity completely behind yet, at least there is still the belief of the
devilish and divine interference of some supernatural being operating. Are you perhaps able to remember an early PCE where you experienced that
everything is already perfect? (Check out FAQ 64a, How to Induce a PCE? It was an insight from a PCE which enabled feeling being ‘Vineeto’ to finally be done with any belief in God whatsoever. But she had already loosened up the belief in the Christianity via Eastern spirituality where a human being is ‘God’ on earth and then questioned the validity of that claim via sensible contemplation. Viz.:
ANDREW: It would seem that I have only one MO that has results, disappear then cause (in my mind) a “stir” and by someone else’s “grace” get saved. If only for a few weeks. VINEETO: Ha, that is not very a satisfying way to live, is it? ANDREW: It’s always been a huge source of guilt, that I would desire there to be something “wrong” with me. Whilst these entire time, there was indeed always something that was “off” but it was not directly those things at all. VINEETO: Guilt is a terrible weapon of dominance, and Christianity is as responsible of wielding it as any other religion. What allowed ‘Vineeto’ to reduce and whittle down ‘her’ guilt of being alive – such as having to be useful to be allowed to take up space, apart from the guilt of being ‘bad’, sinful, disobedient, unenlightened and all the rest – was the factual understanding (confirmed by the PCE, but also via the sensible explanations from Richard who had first made sense of it) how the human condition operates. It also made it clear that ‘she’, like every other human being, is in this situation by no fault of her own.
There is more as that correspondence continues but this part already explains that being normal means being possessed by “‘me’, a psychological/ psychic entity”, who, because ‘I’ am not actual, naturally feels guilty and afraid to be exposed as a fake. No god of any description is even necessary to instil this guilt for being a contingent ‘being’ [non-factual, dependant on the existence of the instinctual-passional identity], it comes with the genetically endowed package at birth. Gods/ Goddesses are invented to justify feeling the guilt in the first place. It is my guess that those fictitious deities and supernatural beings wouldn’t have the convincing power they have over human feelings if the guilt of being a ‘being’ wasn’t there in each person to begin with. When ‘Vineeto’ increasingly understood this, ‘her’ guilt of ‘being’ was gradually dislodged by recognizing that ‘she’ could do something about ‘her’ situation – ‘she’ could reduce the power of the ‘self’ by becoming more and more happy and harmless and enjoying and appreciating being here. To explain in short – ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings enhance the identity while felicitous and innocuous feelings diminish the identity and thus sincerity is able to reduce/ even dissipate the guilt or unease being an impostor. Being ruthlessly honest and sincere is an essential ingredient to stop hiding and become naïve, enjoying the adventure of unravelling the mysteries of the way we tick and the conditions we are born into. So, Andrew, you can safely abandon the terror and guilt of the god of the Bible or the god of Spinoza or any other Supernatural deity now that you know where the guilt originates, coupled with the good news that you can do something about the source of your unease of being a ‘being’. I suggest you read it slowly, it is at first mind-boggling but will make sense if you allow common sense (rather than defence and terror) to operate. Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: It is my guess that those fictitious deities and supernatural beings wouldn’t have the convincing power they have over human feelings if the guilt of being a ‘being’ wasn’t there in each person to begin with. ANDREW: Thank you Vineeto! I appreciate your time on this topic, as it has been so central to me, even when I didn’t know it was! This quote above, supports something that has been in my thinking lately, at least it’s a similar insight. That ‘being’ uses ‘morality’ and indeed any ‘value’ system at all, as a tool. the ‘self’ is surviving through the very tools which are “supposedly” keeping it in check! VINEETO: Yes. Now when you instead of the subtle detachment by calling it ‘being’ or ‘self’ you boldly acknowledge that ‘you’ are this very ‘being’ or ‘self’, the sentences would read like this –
What this does, it puts the choice right back where it belongs – ‘you’ can now choose to do something about it. You can
decide to reduce the dominance of ‘me’ by diminishing malice and sorrow, by becoming more felicitous and innocuous via the actualism method as
described. ANDREW: It “seems” that it is keeping us in check, but I suspect that’s only part of it, that it’s intrinsically linked to the ‘self’.
As such the social identity is as much an aspect of ‘you’ as the instinctual passions which the social mores are attempting to curb.
However, this suggestion comes with a warning –
I gave you the whole picture regarding guilt in the last message and this one in order that you can comprehend the origin of your
guilt and therefore your beliefs in deities and demons may be understood as a hopeful/ terrifying diversion from the very reason why you experience an
unease about being a contingent [non-factual, dependant] ‘being’. Recognizing these facts allow you take
remedial action. I can also recommend ANDREW: Like you said the gods had an easy time as all the aspects of the ‘self’ where already in place, the highly social, yet immensely ‘selfish’ entity uses all of these inventions, primarily to survive as a ‘self’. It’s been highlighted recently as certain events which could be called “immoral” (in my upbringings set of rules), and whilst factually harmless, gave me a lot to think about my own “morality”. As I witnessed others live their “morality” and be fine! I will reread your posts as it is very refreshing to have these feelings linked back to the broader context of “eat or be eaten” fears and aggressions. VINEETO: It can certainly help you in being more kind to yourself. Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: Yes, the real-world rules, morals and dogmas operate in opposites and have only two alternatives. There is a third alternative. CHRONO: Weirdly has taken me a longer time to figure that out experientially. I just had this realization about sexual desire and why I have “trouble” with it. It occurs in every human being to some extent, so why am I making a big deal out of its occurrence? And I finally realized it, it’s because of repression. There’s a guilt surrounding it as I mentioned previously. But what if there was no guilt? Then I am somehow morally reprehensible. As I previously saw that ‘I’ cannot end ‘me’ and ‘I’ am already born this way, then there’s no taking blame for my feeling this desire. I understand better now where you say:
VINEETO: To ease the pressure of what was originally repressed may take some persistence because repression happened not only because of the “feeling of guilt” but also because it is something unfamiliar to be explored/ experienced as to what happens when you lift the lid, so to speak. It helps to be a friend to yourself and be gentle and consciously enjoy the adventure, without back-pressure from yourself. Richard’s second part of the quote explains why it has never really been allowed to be explored naïvely. CHRONO: And also this section from Article 2 in Richard’s Journal I am able to see in operation:
I am understanding now that the shift to intimacy is a different game altogether from the one that gives sexual desire a central role. That is, my focus on getting rid of it won’t work. VINEETO: Indeed, half the job is to sort out what doesn’t work. The process of getting accustomed/ familiar with naïvely and gently shifting to intimacy in practice, might sometimes appear a balancing act between “holy” and “vulgar”. Don’t fall for either, keep looking for the fun and benevolent way (to yourself and your partner) – the third alternative. * VINEETO: Indeed, being in control is the sole function of this contingent ‘being’, ‘me’, the entity which does not exist in its own right and needs to control to prevent being exposed as such. ‘You’ need to keep working hard to justify ‘your’ existence, whereas “it’s actually enjoyable when I don’t”, when you can allow yourself to be what you are. You lessen control by progressively allowing the obstacles to enjoyment and appreciation to disappear via attentiveness and (if necessary) investigation – and thus by imitating the actual. CHRONO: Yes I recently noticed as it was happening how much that insults and compliments make up this being a someone. If ‘my’ whole point is to survive, then I’m only taking these on personally to survive. And now I have some more cues to look out for. VINEETO: Ha, it is indeed so, when you look at the content of what your “belonging” really consists of – “insults and compliments” – punishment and reward – made valid by the feeling of power or loss thereof. Another confirmation that you were right when you said “being a “someone” is a serious business” … and ”it’s actually enjoyable when I don’t”. Cheers Vineeto
ANDREW: So… Haha, I always love to open with “So”. How is it, that such innocence can be the carrier of such destruction? VINEETO: Hi Andrew, What innocence? Do you genuinely believe that babies are born innocent – especially after your previous insight on guilt?
More information at Richard’s Selected Correspondence on Innocence Perhaps some taking advantage of the vast amount of information, freely available on the Actual Freedom Trust website, would be beneficial before you squander your time and energy on having feelings about theories and beliefs that are far from factual? ANDREW: For context, and to avoid my historical habit of being cryptic and mysterious; my otherwise cheerful, adventurous, and caring mother, has carried and passed on all the horrors of the human condition. Just as every mother and father in all of history has done. Wow. What a betrayal! Each of us, grown in the innocence of ignorance and being completely new to being alive at all, carry on this utter insanity! VINEETO: Again, as ignorance is not innocence, there was no “betrayal” to be outraged or indignant about – “every mother and father in all of history” have been genetically endowed with instinctual passions and furnished with social conditioning and passed this on to the next generation, just as you have done with your own children. It’s worth contemplating from this angle –
Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: … the more you allow your hidden-away-since-puberty naiveté to come to the fore … ANDREW: That naïveté was buried long before puberty. Which has been the issue. I dare say, the issue for many. I have vivid memories of the sexual confusion that abuse creates even at 4 and 5 years old. Some of my earliest memories are twisted sexual dreams. Let’s say naïveté was already on the ropes a long time before hormones got a hold of me. VINEETO: Hi Andrew, Having read your various subsequent posts and reports I realise that your childhood naiveté was indeed very early crushed in a brutal manner long before puberty. It fully explains why you said in a previous post –
… and appreciable success that you “got that part” now. ANDREW: What my walk really started to solidify is just how subtle shame is. I always had this deep guilt that my life wasn’t bad enough to feel bad about. Even after everything, burying my daughter, losing my first brother, my father, I was always in my own estimation pathetic and not worthy of anyone’s consideration. However, there was always that other side of human nature which would lash out for attention. Back to the topic, shame is so very subtle. All the ways I consider people slipping into self-condemnation, even at subtle
levels. The whole “sorry for taking up space”. VINEETO: In a way your detailed affective exploration into shame is a follow-up and (possibly) deepening of your earlier understanding of guilt, for instance when you said –
Vineeto: Guilt is a terrible weapon of dominance, and Christianity is as responsible of wielding it as any
other religion. What allowed ‘Vineeto’ to reduce and whittle down ‘her’ guilt of being alive – such as having to be useful to be allowed to
take up space, apart from the guilt of being ‘bad’, sinful, disobedient, unenlightened and all the rest – was the factual understanding
(confirmed by the PCE, but also via the sensible explanations from Richard who had first made sense of it) how the human condition operates. It also
made it clear that ‘she’, like every other human being, is in this situation by no fault of her own. Your deeper explorations into the various levels of shame may or may not be necessary/ beneficent to grasp the fundamental fact that ‘you’ are not to blame, that it is not ‘your’ fault. Here is an example of what Richard says about shame and guilt –
In other words, once you had enough of affectively remembering why you feel/ felt ashamed and guilty (in a negative nostalgia if you will) then you can get “back to the topic”, which is feeling good and enjoying and appreciating being alive right here, right now, and in this manner doing something beneficial for yourself and others regarding the mess which is the human condition. Cheers Vineeto
KUBA: So I came across guilt recently, initially I got a bit railroaded by it, so to begin with I have been allowing myself to experience it fully without (psychically) moving in either direction. The guilt in question is this deep and fundamental feeling of culpability. (…) This demonstrates the situation well, that ‘I’ am guilty by virtue of ‘being’ and this feeling can easily be latched onto with various narratives. But the feeling of guilt comes first, because ‘I’ know just what ‘I’ am deep down. And then in terms of what to do with guilt… I think the first step which I have been focusing on is correct, in that ‘I’ need to be open to experiencing this guilt, even if this is initially unsettling. Because only by daring to experience it fully can it go from this monster ‘over there’ to the recognition that it is ‘me’. I do see the point which Richard made, that although ‘I’ am guilty at conception – as ‘I’ am the passions – that ‘I’ am not to be blamed for this situation existing in the first place. ‘I’ had no choice in being born as an instinctual ‘being’. Enjoyment and appreciation is the means to rectify the situation, and guilt is an obstacle to doing exactly that. ‘I’ am indeed culpable by virtue of ‘being’ and yet to do something, to eradicate the predicament that human beings are born into, ‘I’ need to give way for this guilt to be dissolved. Otherwise (as Richard wrote) ‘I’ am stuck going round via mea culpa, and the human condition continues on. I can see why in the past ‘I’ took to the task of becoming the ‘perfect actualist’, it was an attempt to step around this guilt and receive some kind of absolution. But of course this is to miss the very point that ‘I’ am the human condition. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I found something in feeling being ‘Vineeto’s’ correspondence ‘she’ wrote in 2002 which you might relate to –
I remember that for ‘Vineeto’ this guilt of ‘being’ was particularly prevalent at times when ‘she’ was aware of procrastination, and it only fully disappeared when ‘she’ went out-from-under-control because then it was obvious that ‘she’ had stepped on the one-way runway towards actual freedom. Not shoving guilt into the background is certainly a good idea, and then make it your ally ‘to keep you honest’, as they say, about proceeding to your ultimate goal. As Geoffrey says, “Daring, and audacity”. Cheers Vineeto
KUBA: Hi Vineeto, I was thinking about your question intently today as to not reply with a furphy. It looks that ‘I’ don’t want to be seen/ exposed/ revealed. Remaining some semblance of control ‘I’ can cover up ‘my’ tracks so to speak. It’s like ‘I’ am holding in a very dirty secret, and that secret is to do with ‘my’ very ‘being’. And to proceed into the new territory is to allow for that ‘dirty secret’ to be freely revealed/ penetrated into. And to allow that to happen is to begin the process where ‘I’ unravel. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Yes, that is exactly it – “that secret is to do with ‘my’ very ‘being’”. It is not an easy secret to accept
and embrace, and yet it is the very cause for human beings’ suffering, which all the religions and spiritual traditions have exploited to assert
their authority and power over millennia via this guilt. Of no fault of one’s own everyone is ‘born in sin’ or ‘guilty at conception’ via
the instinctual survival passions and the identity formed thereof. Richard has a catalogue collection
It is for the sake of peace-on-earth that one embraces one’s “own culpability” as a fact to allow “that ‘dirty secret’ to be freely revealed/ penetrated into” and to embrace it fully as being ‘me’. Doing so, feeling being ‘Vineeto’ experienced a gradually increasing awareness and intensity regarding ‘her’ yearning for oblivion. This way the full awareness of the ramifications of being ‘guilty at conception’ becomes the most powerful ally for your destiny – to foster ‘my’ abdication so that innocence can prevail. Cheers Vineeto
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