4.3.2009

RESPONDENT: Hi Vineeto I normally wouldn’t ask you or anyone from the Actual Freedom trust about this but since you guys are the only ones that I have located on the internet (or anywhere else) who have consistently had solid answers for what lies beyond the human condition I could not find anyone better to ask.

VINEETO: Hi No. 21, you say you ‘normally wouldn’t ask’ me but this is already the second time that you have asked me despite clear communication from all directors of the Actual Freedom Trust that they consider to be sufficient information presented on The Actual Freedom website for anyone motivated to become free from the human condition.

If you want to become more free from the human condition, you gotta be honest with yourself.

RESPONDENT: I am not sure if you are aware of the economic reverberations that have now affected almost everyone to some degree in every country in these times but my concern is in regards to the de-industrialization that is likely to result.

VINEETO: What de-industrialization? You are taking a fact – the economic downturn in many developed countries – to justify a belief, a fear, a presumption and are most likely repeating something you heard others say, based on their feelings and beliefs.

RESPONDENT: I do not consider this a problem emotionally or psychologically loosing many of the niceties, the extras that come from our abundant society, we live in a paradise and I can live a perfectly happy life if I dissolve ‘me’, who I believe myself to be at my very core …

VINEETO: If I may interrupt here – how do you know that you can live a perfectly happy life if you dissolve ‘you’?

Have you experienced it? Have you temporarily been without ‘you’? Have you done anything towards making ‘you’ less dominant in your life? Have you applied the actualism method with some tangible success?

RESPONDENT: … but as of right now the only thing hampering my plan is that I don’t have a way, a strategy, a method or plan of how to live sustainably in a world where everything like food, clothing, transportation, fuel, medicine, water, sanitation, and shelter is no longer abundant.

VINEETO: Why do you say this as if it was a fact? There may be a temporary shortage of supplies or of employment and the economy has cycles of expansion and contraction and is presently in a stage of contraction. But this is by no means a static situation.

There is no physical reason why human beings should suddenly be unable to provide for themselves as they have done in the past.

As for yourself, you live in Miami, a thriving city that has plenty of opportunities to make a living if you apply yourself to the task. And if Miami cannot employ you then some other place in America can.

I am well aware that at present there is more scare-mongering going on than ever, combining several fashionable doom predictions such as the scare of global warming, the scare of peak oil, the scare of as yet unknown diseases, the scare of the wrath of the mother goddess Gaia, with the real disruption that the credit crunch and economic downturn inevitable bring about.

For an actualist committed to becoming as happy and harmless as humanly possible that means that he/she needs to apply themselves to finding out the facts of all these fashionable scares rather than believing what the mainstream media and the mainstream audience of the media present them with.

RESPONDENT: At any given time between now and 2 to 3 years the societal infrastructure that offers these necessities might dissolve globally …

VINEETO: Again you are presenting an idea that you heard from someone else as if it was a fact. No wonder the world looks scary and unsustainable to you. Why should the societal infrastructure dissolve, and globally at that?! As your choice of ‘might’ indicates, even you are not so sure if what you present is factual.

Fact is that human beings are a gregarious species and have a vested interest to live in groups and tribal /national situations so as to make life easier for themselves and for their offspring.

RESPONDENT: …and then I will have to focus on acquiring these necessities myself and perhaps with a smaller community. I wonder if you have any plans for dealing with this.

VINEETO: Of course I have no plans of dealing with this – this is your belief, not mine.

RESPONDENT: On the actual freedom website I remember reading the words ‘Life was meant to be easy’ and I know this to be the case, as my life has not been hard by any means and only my feelings, desires, physical ailments and beliefs have made my experience a bumpy one but after studying and asking people who are knowledgeable about living sustainably I can only conclude that under the current way of doing things it is either extremely hard to do (to live without depending on some similar form of societal infrastructure) or perhaps impossible.

VINEETO: When you gather your information you need to take into account that everybody is afflicted with the same ‘feelings, desires, … and beliefs’ as you are and that their knowledgeability is tainted by and rooted in those fears, desires and beliefs. It seems you have only studied and asked people with similar fears as yourself and thus reinforced your own fears instead of venturing into new territory and finding out what the facts really are (which is not easy in a world driven by fear, greed, corruption, religion, aggression and self-centred blindness).

RESPONDENT: I am perhaps deeply insecure about this issue mainly because I am unsure what I should do.

VINEETO: You could start by trying to remember a PCE, applying the actualism method in order to get rid of your beliefs and alleviate the power of your instinctual passions. When you are not in the grip of your emotions it is much easier to find out about facts and to assess one’s current situation as to what to do next in a practical way.

What I found helpful was to put becoming free from the human condition at the top of my laundry list and then I committed all my energy to dismantle my beliefs and extract myself from the grip of my feelings – both the so-called bad and the so-called good feelings.

Earning money is only relevant as it buys me time, time to spend becoming free from the human condition and enjoying to be alive. Of course, with success in the actualism method comes the added benefit that I also enjoy the work that earns me a living.

RESPONDENT: I am a very adaptive person to a given environment or situation and I find that this may be an unadaptable situation that is coming eventually.

VINEETO: Are you aware that you are musing about a hypothetical situation, existing entirely in your mind only?

RESPONDENT: I’m just thinking is this really it? Am I going to become virtually or actually free and then die shortly after from starvation or from some resource war between countries? Would that not be some sick joke to finally be peering through the cracks of the human condition only to die shortly after for not preparing appropriately for what was to come? I’m not saying both can't be done, I just thought that since the largest cache of common sense I have ever come across has come from the actual freedom website that maybe I can get a answer that can help me in this regard. Perhaps I have it wrong and there is a way to live sustainably even in the event of economic and political disintegration. Any thoughts on this Vineeto?

VINEETO: It appears that you scared yourself so much with your hypothetical scenario that you now even question the sensibility of doing something about becoming free from the human condition.

‘Self’ can be very very cunning and this might well be one of those cunning schemes to divert from the task at hand.

Once in a while, or more often than that, I suggest you step back and look at yourself from a wider perspective. It can help to avoid falling for, or extracting yourself from one’s own beliefs and feelings, as strong as they may be. You can then maybe even see the humorous side of your imaginary scenario and pop out of it.

RESPONDENT: I would appreciate it as I am dumbfounded at this point.

Kind regards, PS: Oh I think I would like to purchase the full set of DVDs I think it would be very helpful to observe an actualist who has reached virtual and actual freedom from the human condition, I haven’t the faintest clue how different they would be in how they interact with others aside from perhaps being happier than the average person and harmless. So I may order them very soon.

Cheers Vineeto