RESPONDENT No. 68: As for myself, I
already know actualism ‘works’ in making me happier and more harmless ...
RESPONDENT: As for myself, I know that it doesn’t. My
experience, observation and reasoning tells me that unless it’s accompanied by an actual pathological process that causes damage
to the brain (maybe even be random damage at that), the actualism process is naught but wishful thinking and (at best) a powerful
placebo effect. It causes changes, sure ... but those can (best, IMO) be attributed to: (a) finding a meaningful purpose to
pursue; (b) being fully committed to a single goal; (c) doing it with a like-minded individual; (d) practising a happy/harmless
morality (because that’s all it is unless/until ‘self’-immolation occurs).
(...)
RESPONDENT: The possibility that a rare neurological
condition was the driving force behind the remarkable events of your post-1980 life, and that your ‘followers’ were having
themselves on, occurred to me right from the start.
RICHARD: Presuming that by ‘a rare neurological condition’ you are meaning
something similar to what terms such as ‘a freak of nature’/’a sport of nature’ refer to – and that, therefore, nobody
else need even begin trying to emulate – when did it occur to you that ‘a rare neurological condition’ = ‘an actual
pathological process’ (involving, caused by, or of the nature of disease or illness)?
RESPONDENT: It occurred to me from the beginning. I say
‘it’ rather than ‘they’ because for me they both are different ways of expressing the same underlying concern.
RICHARD: As the underlying concern that a rare congenital/acquired
disease/illness of this flesh and blood body’s nervous system – meaning that, therefore, nobody else need even begin trying to
make happen the damage to this flesh and blood body’s brain (maybe even being random damage at that) which you allege the
identity in residence all those years ago caused – occurred to you when you first came across The Actual Freedom Trust web site
would it be reasonable to say that your subsequent dismissal of any practicing actualists’ success in living a virtual freedom,
through the sincere application of the way that particular identity went about achieving same for six months or so in 1981, is
predicated upon that very idea?
For the most recent example of this dismissal:
• [Respondent]: ‘I don’t intend any personal offence to anyone here, but the fact
is I do not want to be like Peter, or Vineeto, or Gary, or ... whoever’. (‘Virtual
Kindergarten’; Wednesday 25/05/2005 12:40 PM AEST).
And why? None other than this:
• [Respondent]: ‘... [because] the practice of actualism is nowt but a minimalistic
moral code and an investigative technique’. [endquote].
In other words, unless any practicing actualist also has the same rare
congenital/acquired disease/illness of the nervous system that it occurred to you right from the beginning this particular flesh
and blood body has they are but straining at a gnat (being unduly fussy or scrupulous about something small and insignificant)?
(...)
RESPONDENT: Instead of saying I am ‘nearly certain’
that your condition is/was pathological, I should say that I simply have not ruled it out ...
RICHARD: I see ... so you have not ruled out that neither the intent itself, to
actually be peaceful and harmonious, nor the outcome of that intention involves, is caused by, or is of the nature of disease or
illness, then?
RESPONDENT: ‘Caused by’, not ‘is of the nature
of’. That’s correct ... I have not ruled out either one.
RICHARD: Just so there is no misunderstanding: you have not ruled out that
neither the intent itself, to actually be peaceful and harmonious, nor the outcome of that intention was caused by a disease or
illness .... which means that, for there to be global peace-on-earth, 6.0+ billion peoples need to somehow acquire a rare disease
and/or illness of the nervous system?
May I ask? What is the likelihood of that (conceptual) neurological disease and/or
illness being an infectious one ... and if so by what agent (a mosquito perhaps)?
*
RESPONDENT: ... and its degree of likelihood
mysteriously increases when I am throwing a tantrum.
RICHARD: Okay ... what happened, then, between Saturday 5/03/2005 10:38 AM AEST
and Friday 13/05/2005 12:47 PM AEST such as to set-off this latest tantrum?
RESPONDENT: Yet another instance of this: [‘Problems
With The Method’; Monday 16/05/2005 4:40 AM AEST].
RICHARD: Okay ... what happened, then, between Saturday 5/03/2005 10:38 AM AEST
and Friday 13/05/2005 12:47 PM AEST such as to set-off yet another instance of your problems with the actualism method?
RESPONDENT: Nothing happens to set off an instance of
my problem with the method.
RICHARD: Okay ... what happened, then, between Saturday 5/03/2005 10:38 AM AEST
and Friday 13/05/2005 12:47 PM AEST
such as to set-off your latest tantrum?
RESPONDENT: May I ask first, what is the purpose of
this line of inquiry?
RICHARD: Sure ... the way the actualism method works is to ask oneself, each
moment again, how one is experiencing this moment of being alive (the only moment one is ever alive) until it becomes a non-verbal
attitude towards life, a wordless approach to being alive, so that the slightest deviation from the wide and wondrous path to an
actual freedom from the human condition – a way epitomised by a felicitous and innocuous naïve sensuousness – is not only
automatically noticed almost immediately but the instance whereby the deviation occurred is readily ascertained such as to enable
the resumption of one’s habituated blithesome and benign way again ... sooner rather than later.
By your own words you commenced paying full attention to this moment
at 10:38 AM on Saturday the 5/03/2005
AEST and somewhere between then and at 12:47 PM on Friday 13/05/2005 AEST something happened such as to bring about what you
described in your own words as throwing a tantrum
... and, unless one is a sicko
, throwing a tantrum can hardly fall under the auspices of being [quote] ‘fun’ [endquote].
Obviously it cannot be a problem with the method itself as, by my calculations, 69 days
elapsed between your commencement of paying full attention to this moment (on the fifth of March), each moment again, and the
onset of your latest tantrum (on the thirteenth of April).
So ... what happened, then, between 10:38 AM Saturday 5/03/2005 AEST and 12:47 PM
Friday 13/05/2005 AEST such as to set-off your latest tantrum?
RESPONDENT: In light of your comments to [No. 68] in
this exchange: [No. 68]: ‘(...) I’d like to hear some reasonable explanation of why from a experienced actualist. [Richard]:
‘You have to be kidding, surely ... was the following [now snipped] not a clear enough warning for you to *not even begin
thinking about providing some reasonable explanation*? [emphasis added]. May I ask whether you have taken your own advice to
‘not even begin thinking about providing some reasonable explanation’?
RICHARD: I really do wonder, now and then, why person after person would
consider they can try out smart-aleckry on me, and get away with it, when the evidence of so many e-mails in the archives
demonstrates that any such attempt has invariably resulted in them coming off a pathetic second-best (if that).
RESPONDENT: It is a matter of wanting to know what your
intentions are in asking me these questions, so that I can make a sensible decision about whether to participate in it or not.
RICHARD: There is only the one question – about what happened, between 10:38
AM Saturday 5/03/2005 AEST and 12:47 PM Friday 13/05/2005 AEST, such as to set-off your latest tantrum – and whether you answer
it or not is entirely up to you as it is your life you are living, when all is said and done, and only you get to reap the
rewards, or pay the consequences, for any action or inaction you may or may not have eventuate.
RESPONDENT: If you have no interest whatsoever in
making a fair-dinkum suggestion regarding the problems I’ve described, what exactly is your intention?
RICHARD: My intention is to keep on asking you what happened between 10:38 AM
Saturday 5/03/2005 AEST and 12:47 PM Friday 13/05/2005 AEST, such as to set-off your latest tantrum, until you either answer, drop
the topic completely, or even go away to (seemingly) greener pastures.
*
RICHARD: Nevertheless I will continue to play the silliness game accordingly
until such peoples wake up to the fact they are frittering away an opportunity ... to wit: where has it even been remotely
implied, let alone specifically stated, by me that there has ever been any thought at all about providing some reasonable
explanation as to why you have what you characterise, both in the e-mail your co-respondent replied to you in (in the elided
section of that quote you provide above) and elsewhere, as being a feedback loop problem with the actualism method?
RESPONDENT: The question makes little sense to me.
Where have I implied that you have ‘remotely implied’ or ‘explicitly stated’ that you had given any thought to providing a
reasonable explanation (for the feedback loop I’ve described)?
RICHARD: Ha ... where have I implied that you implied that I even remotely
implied, let alone specifically stated, that I have given any thought to providing a reasonable explanation (for what you have
characterised as being a feedback loop problem with the actualism method)?
RESPONDENT: What I have done is ask what your
intentions are ...
RICHARD: If I may point out? You specifically asked me what the purpose of this
line of enquiry is (asking what happened, between 10:38 AM Saturday 5/03/2005 AEST and 12:47 PM Friday 13/05/2005 AEST, such as to
set-off your latest tantrum) so I explained the way the actualism method actually works ... and then asked the obvious question
(again).
And your response (to the fourth occasion of asking that same simple question)? None
other than to instead ask me whether I have taken my own advice to another about not even beginning to think about providing some
reasonable explanation for what you have characterised as being a feedback loop problem with the actualism method.
RESPONDENT: ... and you appear to be telling me, if I
understand you correctly, that – whatever your intentions are – they are NOT to provide a reasonable explanation for the
peculiar effect I’ve described.
RICHARD: I neither told you that nor even appeared to be telling you that: I
explained the way the actualism method actually works ... and then asked the same simple and obvious question yet again.
RESPONDENT: So I ask again: if your intention is not to
provide reasonable explanations, what is it?
RICHARD: I have no intention whatsoever of even beginning to think about
providing some reasonable explanation, as to why you have what you characterise as being a feedback loop problem with the
actualism method, let alone doing so.
I may be a lot of things ... but silly I am not.
RESPONDENT: A straight answer doesn’t strike me as
too much to ask.
RICHARD: Okay then ... what happened between 10:38 AM Saturday 5/03/2005 AEST
and 12:47 PM Friday 13/05/2005 AEST such as to set-off your latest tantrum?
*
RESPONDENT: So I ask again: if your intention is not to
provide reasonable explanations, what is it?
RICHARD: I have no intention whatsoever of even beginning to think about
providing some reasonable explanation, as to why you have what you characterise as being a feedback loop problem with the
actualism method, let alone doing so.
RESPONDENT: In that case we’re wasting our time.
RICHARD: As none of my responses have been a waste of my time you are way, way
out there on your own with that observation ... just as you are with endeavouring to divert the course of this particular exchange
of e-mails into being yet more grist for your consumptive mill.
On six occasions now I have asked you to put the aforementioned method into practice
the way it is actually practiced by those reporting success with it ... maybe the seventh time around might do the trick: what
happened, between Saturday 5/03/2005 10:38 AM AEST and Friday 13/05/2005 12:47 PM AEST, such as to set-off this latest tantrum?
It is your call.
*
RESPONDENT (to Co-Respondent): (...) you come across as
a pretty sincere and benevolent person to me, and I appreciate the good will you’ve shown. At this point I am more concerned
about you being steamrolled by Mr Benevolence as he tries to steamroll me, so stay at a safe distance man. ;-)
RICHARD: As a wink is as good as a nod here is the story so far:
1. You write numerous e-mails to this list detailing what you characterise as a
feedback loop problem with the actualism method and ask for responses.
2. You make it abundantly clear that the only acceptable responses will be of a kind in accord with your contention there is
something amiss with the method itself.
3. Being able to recognise a set-up when I see one I provide the quotes which particularly make this clear upon your co-respondent
asking for some reasonable explanation, regarding said feedback loop, from an actualist that has been around the block more than a
few times.
4. You then adroitly switch from being critical of your co-respondent’s responses, as per the set-up, to being laudatory about
their character ... and use that as a springboard in futile attempt to score a cheap shot whilst expressing a crocodilian
solicitousness.
The only question remaining is how much longer this farce will continue before it too
goes the way all those gone before have done. 

RESPONDENT No. 60: Nothing happens to
set off an instance of my problem with the method. Practising the method itself induces feelings that would not otherwise be
present. All I have to do to is start asking myself ‘How am I experiencing this moment of being alive?’, and pretty soon it
sets off the feedback loop I’ve written about several times now. This does not happen in daily life; it is caused by practising
the method. I’ve just this minute been writing about this again here: [‘Re: Some questions on the method to all
those practising/practised actualists’; Thursday 26/05/2005 3:36 PM AEST]. I’m no longer interested in practising the
method (it’s got so bad that it’s almost like a strong conditioned response now ... ask the question, expect to have poisonous
emotions pumping through your veins any minute now ... because it has happened every time). But I’m still very interested in why
it is happening. Any ideas? Have you come across this before?
RESPONDENT: [As a guess, I’d have to say you’re too
‘normal’ to be ‘a lone freak in regards to this problem. This will come up again, I think]. I’d like to hear some
reasonable explanation of why from a experienced actualist.
RICHARD: You have to be kidding, surely ... were the following [quotes which
particularly make abundantly clear that the only acceptable responses will be of a kind in accord with the contention there is
something amiss with the method itself] not a clear enough warning for you to not even begin thinking about providing some
reasonable explanation?
RESPONDENT: While wishing to know why another is having
problems with the method may seem unrelated to my own practice of actualism, in this case I’ve had some experiences that mirror
No. 60’s.
RICHARD: As your co-respondent has since explained to another that to ask
themself, each moment again, how they are experiencing this moment of being alive is to [quote] ‘have some bloody algorithm
mechanically running through my head’ [endquote] – which they hate, resent and rebel against such as to induce poisonous
emotions to pump, that would not otherwise be present, in a downward spiralling feedback loop somewhat akin to holding a
microphone against amplified loudspeakers – has any light been thrown upon your mirrored experiences?
For this is what a dictionary has to say:
• ‘algorithm: a procedure or set of rules for calculation or problem-solving, now
esp. with a computer’. (Oxford Dictionary).

RICHARD: Here the text at that URL which I was referring to by
pointing out (further above) that there is ‘the question about what is so different between Mr. Gotama the Sakyan’s
mindfulness method and the actualism method’ in that e-mail:
• [Respondent]: ‘Buddha taught a technique called ‘mindfulness’ (and most
likely the technique was very different 2500 years ago than today) which had as an aim to stop instinctive and affective *behaviour*
whether for good or bad. What is so different here to Richard?’ [emphasis added].
There is an enormous difference between merely stopping instinctive and affective
behaviour and eliminating the [quote] ‘passionate instincts etc.’ [endquote] themselves ... for the extinction of the latter
is the end of the noumenon from which everything (supposedly) arises.
RESPONDENT: Unfortunately, your method has not helped
anybody to achieve this lofty goal to extinct the ‘passionate instincts’.
RICHARD: On the contrary ... the very reason why this flesh and blood body is
actually free from the human condition (sans the entire affective faculty/identity in toto) is because of the identity in
residence all those years ago (1981-1992) utilising the approach ‘he’ devised – a course of action which has become known as
the actualism method – to full effect.
RESPONDENT: At best your method has helped people to
reduce the effects of their instincts and affections on their behaviour.
RICHARD: Again, what the actualism method did was rid this flesh and blood body
of the entire affective faculty/identity in toto.
RESPONDENT: From a practical point of view, it does the
same like Buddha’s method.
RICHARD: Mr. Gotama the Sakyan’s mindfulness method did not, does not, and
never will, rid flesh and blood bodies of the entire affective faculty/identity in toto.
RESPONDENT: Not you, of course ...
RICHARD: The only thing which is an ‘of course’ is you having to
exclude the flesh and blood body writing this e-mail ... otherwise that would stuff up your craftily-concocted justification for
ignoring the fact that the course of action this flesh and blood body offers, being the one the identity in residence all those
years ago both devised and utilised to full effect, was demonstratively effective in achieving the expected goal – enabling the
already always existing actual world into being apparent – as contrasted to Mr. Gotama the Sakyan’s mindfulness method being
not the way Mr. Gotama the Sakyan effected ‘his’ goal (of becoming more spiritually enlightened/ mystically awakened than any
of ‘his’ peers, who are generally characterised as being ‘Brahmins’, had been up until then).
(...)
RICHARD: Mr. Gotama the Sakyan’s mindfulness method did not, does not, and
never will, rid flesh and blood bodies of the entire affective faculty/identity in toto.
RESPONDENT: Sure not ...
RICHARD: I am pleased that your question of Monday 2/05/2005 10:45 AM AEST –
your ‘What is so different here to Richard?’ query quoted further above – has been finally answered to your satisfaction.

CO-RESPONDENT: When a feeling changes
within a person, something supplants the feeling/belief. Feelings and beliefs don’t just disappear. What is the thought, memory,
or whatever that is able to permanently eliminate a feeling/belief?
RICHARD: Seeing the fact will set you free of the belief.
CO-RESPONDENT: What is the fact?
RICHARD: What is the belief?
CO-RESPONDENT: Let’s use the example ‘No one really
likes me’.
RICHARD: Okay ... here is the way the actualism method works in practice: 1. Was
that – your ‘no one really likes me’ example – the feeling which changed within you? 2. If so, what was it that triggered
off that feeling (the feeling which changed within you)? 3. What did that feeling which changed within you change into? 4. What
was it that triggered off that change? 5. Was it silly to have both event No. 2 and event No. 4 take away your enjoyment and
appreciation of being alive at this particular moment (the only moment you are ever alive)?
RESPONDENT: Why is it important to ask question 2, 3
& 4?
RICHARD: So as to ascertain causation – that feeling does not usually arise in
vacuo – and the succession (often through nothing other than association).
RESPONDENT: Can one not see the silliness of having the
feeling immediately after 1?
RICHARD: If one can see the silliness of having the feeling, period, then surely
one can also see the sensibility of determining cause and effect (and succession) so as to pre-empt an otherwise endless arousal
of same (and its succession) through ignorance for the remainder of one’s life?
RESPONDENT: Speaking personally I am not able to find
the answers to 2, 3 & 4 most of the time, yet I can see the silliness of having the feeling take away my enjoyment.
RICHARD: Just so there is no misunderstanding: you are saying that most of the
time, even though you can see the silliness of having the feeling take away your enjoyment and appreciation of being alive at this
particular moment (the only moment you are ever alive), you are not able to find (a) what it was that triggered off that feeling
... and (b) what that feeling changed into ... and (c) what it was that triggered off that change?
‘Tis no wonder, then, that you report the actualism method not working for you
.
RESPONDENT: Indeed it is no wonder. I make no secret of
the fact that I do not understand the method.
RICHARD: Nowhere in the exchange that quote came from did you say that the
reason why the actualism method does not work for you was because you do not understand it – despite reporting being on this
mailing list for around five years – and your co-respondent expressed their appreciation of your support for their beat-up of
same by saying they were [quote] ‘grinning from ear to ear’ [endquote]. Vis.:
• [Respondent No. 60]: ‘How Is The Actualist Method Spoiling This Moment Of Being
Alive? 1) By making me aware that no fundamental change is occurring; 2) By making me feel *bad* that no fundamental change is
occurring; 2) By making me rebel against an activity that is becoming increasingly boring, unpleasant and unsuccessful; 3) By
making me feel that there must be something wrong with me because it’s working fine for other people; 4) By confining my mental
processes to an uncharacteristically shallow level; a self watching a self watching a self watching a self to the point where I
would like to take this useless voyeur and inquisitor by the throat and dash his brains out against the wall). 5) Go to 1.
• [Respondent]: ‘Hi No. 60, On your point 3, I would like to make a comment which might make you feel a little better. This
method doesn’t work for me as well –
• [Respondent No. 60]: ‘I’m sorry to hear that, and *I’m grinning from ear to ear* ;-) I can’t deny it’s
reassuring not to be a lone freak!
• [Respondent]: ‘– and I am on this list for around 5 years. I can almost assure you that there are a lot of people for whom
it doesn’t work. Feel good.
• [Respondent No. 60]: ‘Thankyou, I do! May I wish you a very happy Christmas in return (with an emphasis on happy)’.
[emphasis added]. (Monday 20/12/2004 7:04 PM AEDST).
And that was the end of the matter (unless I have missed some e-mails) ... it was not
until five months later that you wrote again (on Wednesday 18/05/2005 5:31 PM AEST) when your co-respondent mentioned your name in
regards the actualism method not working for you either (as supporting evidence that it is the method which is at fault and not
their misapplication of same) ... and nowhere did you explain then that it was because you did not understand the method (unless I
have missed some e-mails).
To reduce the actualism method to just seeing the silliness of having the prominent
feelings which are rare for you (like anger, jealousy, malice) arise – and to then drop them immediately as they begin to do so
irrespective of what caused them and at what precise point they started – is to render it indistinguishable from the
socialised/acculturated technique of suppressing feelings as dutifully practised by billions of peoples world wide ... with the
same lack of effect in regards bringing about peace and harmony.
I cannot put it much more bluntly than that.
*
RESPONDENT: Why is it important to ask question 2, 3
& 4?
RICHARD: So as to ascertain causation – that feeling does not usually arise in
vacuo – and the succession (often through nothing other than association).
RESPONDENT: Okay, then why is it important to ascertain
causation and the succession?
RICHARD: Because my co-respondent has a feeling of being collectively disliked/
unlikeable – a feeling which changes inasmuch something (as yet unspecified) supplants that feeling/belief – and, reporting
that the feeling and belief does not just disappear, asks for a panacea.
As there is no such universal cure-all (short of an immediate ‘self’-immolation in
toto) then in order to facilitate the prospect of seeing the fact which will set them free, of both the feeling and the something
which supplants the feeling/belief, it is necessary for them to ascertain causality – what it was which triggered off that
feeling which changed (such as to bring feeling felicitous/innocuous to an end) – and the mechanics of the successivity which
followed (what the feeling changed into and the process whereby that supplantation occurred).
As a feeling such as that, involving as it does at least some other human beings, does
not usually arise in vacuo then some event (or even a thought about, or a memory of, some event) would have triggered both it and
its succession off it behoves them to get off their backside and actually find out, experientially, for themselves just what it
was which caused the loss of felicity/innocuity.
Once the specific moment of ceasing to feel felicitous/innocuous is pin-pointed, and
the silliness of having such an incident as that (no matter what it is) take away their enjoyment and appreciation of this only
moment of being alive is seen for what it is – usually some habitual reactive response – they can be once more feeling
felicitous/innocuous ... but with a pin-pointed cue to watch out for next time so as to not have that trigger off yet another bout
of the same-old same-old.
This is called nipping it in the bud before it gets out of hand – pre-empting an
otherwise endless arousal of the feeling (and its succession) through ignorance of what triggers same, each occasion again, for
the remainder of their life – and with application and diligence and patience and perseverance they can soon get the knack of
this and more and more time is spent enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive.
RESPONDENT: I still don’t understand how ascertaining
the cause and pinpointing the starting of a feeling can set oneself free from that feeling. However rather than arguing about it,
I would try my best to put it into practice and then come back to you.
[Addendum 9 days later]: I could not try this with the feeling of
boredom as I have been quite busy and boredom didn’t really hit me. However I have tried this with a feeling of ‘worry’ and
here is what I have to report. Yesterday evening I found myself worrying about something (pertaining to work). Here are the
questions and answers which I tried as per your suggestion: Q: How am I experiencing this moment of being alive? A: Not happy. I
am worrying unnecessarily. Q: When did it start? When did I last felt happy? A: A few moments ago. Q: What event started it? A: A
thought hit my mind out of nowhere and I started thinking more and more about it. Q: What is it converted into? A: Nothing. It is
just plain thinking unnecessarily Q: Do I see the silliness of having this taking away my happiness in this moment? A: Yes, sure.
Q: Does it go away by seeing the silliness? A: No.
Now can you please tell me where I am I wrong in applying the
method?
RICHARD: A lack of interest, perchance?
RESPONDENT: I think it is lack of understanding.
RICHARD: Why do you think it is lack of understanding?
RESPONDENT: Why do you say ‘lack of interest’?
RICHARD: The following speaks for itself:
• [Respondent]: ‘... I don’t have enough motivation to go beyond this [dropping
the feeling so early, upon it beginning to arise, as if it never arose], because this itself is much better than most of my
peers’. (Monday 1/08/2005 5:19 PM).
RESPONDENT: How would a person with more interest would
go about the scenario I described?
RICHARD: Just for starters ... each moment again (and not just once, eight days
after saying they would try their best, and then reporting failure).

RICHARD: It is really very, very simple (which is possibly why
it has never been discovered before this): one felt good previously; one is not feeling good now; something happened to one to end
that felicitous/ innocuous feeling; one finds out what happened; one sees how silly that is (no matter what it was); one is once
more feeling good.
CO-RESPONDENT: Just as an example, Richard? I was
feeling good till today morning. When I came to office today at 9.30am, I came to know that I have been dismissed due to a false
complaint of a co-worker. I am not feeling good, in fact I am feeling shaken and insecure and thinking hard as to how to take care
of my family. I am not vengeful or spiteful towards the complainant. For the life of me I can’t see how this sudden state of
insecurity or of worry about my financial future is ‘silly’. I am considering it a justifiable reaction to a crisis. Hence, I
am feeling as-is (worried, insecure and nervous). Any comments?
RICHARD: Just for starters:
1. In what way is feeling shaken going to take care of your family?
2. In what way is feeling insecure going to take care of your family?
3. In what way is feeling worried going to take care of your financial future?
4. In what way is feeling nervous going to take care of your financial future?
Now, you also report [quote] ‘thinking hard’ [endquote] ... in what way is feeling
shaken/ feeling insecure/ feeling worried/ feeling nervous going to enable you to sensibly and thus judiciously think, reflect,
appraise, plan, and implement the considered activity which such a situation, as being dismissed in such circumstances as being
falsely complained about, quite obviously requires?
In other words would not feeling good, as you were prior to today morning, be much more
conducive to intelligence operating in such an optimum manner?
If so, then what is standing in the way of feeling good again, as you were prior to
today morning, is nothing else other than your shaken/ insecure/ worried/ nervous consideration that feeling shaken/ feeling
insecure/ feeling worried/ feeling nervous is a justifiable reaction to a crisis.
Surely there is nothing, but nothing, which can ever sensibly justify having one’s
intelligence being run by feelings?
CO-RESPONDENT: Thanks. Just for information, the
situation I described is a hypothetical one (not an actual one) but your comments are as valid. I agree with you on all counts.
Being bounced around / being overwhelmed with / being guided by feelings is a hindrance to an intelligent appraisal of the
situation and of working towards a solution to a crisis.
RESPONDENT: Even for a trivial problem, if your example
was to be at least half way true to life you would have said something like: ‘I know the feeling of being shaken/ insecure/
worried/ nervous doesn’t really help to solve the problem, and it even prevents me from thinking clearly, but knowing the
feeling is unhelpful doesn’t make the feeling go away. What can I do about it?’ If a person’s feelings are being produced by
their belief that the feeling is justified, why on earth would they be asking Richard how to end the feeling? There was a more
realistic example of this nature posted by Respondent No. 04 a while back (from real life) – he had some kind of accident and
was shaken up by it, and although he knew the feeling was unhelpful, knowing that didn’t make it go away. I’m sure anyone can
find similar examples in their own life. In the real-world case, in contrast to this put-up job, Richard’s advice did not work.
RICHARD: http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=912378527

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RESPONDENT: I should have trusted my own judgement all
along. This ‘happy and harmless as humanly possible while remaining a self’ bullshit ... it’s just delaying the inevitable
(and maybe getting so comfortable with it that there’s no longer a powerful enough incentive to go the rest of the way). No two
ways about it, ‘self’-immolation is out and out suicide, an all-or-nothing affair if ever there was one ... and all the happy/
harmless minimise-this-feeling maximise-that-feeling is no more than another game of ego, another way of jerking off and jerking
oneself around.
No thanks.
RICHARD: Now that you have, presumably, reverted to trusting your own judgement
... has that all-or-nothing affair you speak so emphatically of happened yet? Yes? No? If your answer is ‘no’, then what are
you going to do in the meanwhile
... keep on with your current [quote] ‘game of ego’
[endquote], perchance?
RESPONDENT: Yes, exactly!
RICHARD: Okay ... I appreciate your candour.
I have no further questions.
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RICHARD: For your information: the person referred to above – just like the
co-respondent you so erroneously cited only the previous evening –
RESPONDENT: (...) the link you posted had nothing
whatever to do with the incident I was referring to.
RICHARD: The link I posted
has more than a little to do with the incident you were
referring to inasmuch it clearly demonstrates why a one-off application of an ersatz version of the actualism method, in
combination with insufficient motivation to go beyond how life was currently being experienced (because it was much better than
that of most peers), is not likely to stop or nip in the bud what was expressed as unnecessary thoughts, and which were labelled
as worrying, and described as not intense but just a discomfort.
In other words, for an assertion that [quote] ‘Richard’s advice did not work’
[endquote] to be valid Richard’s advice does need to be first taken as advised.
Which is why I provided the information that I did in this e-mail you have responded to
... to wit: that the co-respondent you so erroneously cited (as being an example of my advice not working) was not a practitioner
of the actualism method.
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