December 6 2024

VINEETO: In her period of being out-from-control Pamela commented on how much better this experience (of being in an ongoing excellence experience) was compared to her 5-months PCE, and she explained that her PCE was a static experience while being out-from-control was exemplified by the progress of coming closer and closer to the actual world. (Actualism, Vineeto, Actualvineeto, Ian, 5 December 2024).

ED: Is it considered dynamic because there are still dips in affect?

VINEETO: No, it’s because one is moving closer and closer to one’s final goal.

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VINEETO: From here you can look closer at what possible objections there might be for ‘you’ to abdicating the throne, and whatever else prevents you from allowing the final transition to happen. (Actualism, Vineeto, Actualvineeto, Ian, 5 December 2024).

ED: Is it because these objections are present as presence in the excellence experience? Thus preventing the PCE but a presence to reflect upon & explore?

VINEETO: No, they are not “present as presence”, they simply can make themselves felt unlike in a PCE where ‘I’ am in abeyance.

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ED: Feeling-being Vineeto must have been feeling good before her immolation, but can you recall the dirtiness that you were still dealing with at the time? Might you be able to recall any objections or worries you had moments before becoming free? Hours before? Days before? [I blew the last remaining cobwebs of seriousness, cautiousness and social correctness out of the corners of my psyche. – were there any beliefs behind the seriousness, cautiousness, and social correctness you can recall?]

VINEETO: You can read more details in my answers in the Direct Route correspondence, where I recorded the events at the time. All I remember now is what has been written on the AFT website. ‘Her’ emotional memories (“the dirtiness”) have disappeared along with ‘her’ identity. Besides, everyone has their own sequence of dismantling their social identity and remnant obstacles to becoming free. Viz.:

Richard: Of course, the situation and circumstances (cutting down long grass in an abandoned cow-paddock preparatory to planting trees) were peculiar to me and my context at that time and had I been some other person in some other context I could very well have been washing the dishes, for example, or riding a bicycle.

And had I been some other person in some other context the salutary realisation would have been different too ... meaning that only the particular person can know what they must do – and they will not know what that is until it happens – and when they do know what to do it will be too late to stop the happening.

Hence all the procrastination – it means the end of ‘me’ – because it can, and will, happen just here right now. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 94a, 30 December 2005)

ED: And did this out-from-control excellence experience (?) cease being excellent during the mutiny – which seemed to cause alarm for feeling-being Vineeto? Did the out-from-control experience lose its excellence during this time and was it just a matter of ‘coming-down’ from the initial high of the alarm? Was there any contemplation going on, conflict between staying or going?

VINEETO: You are probably referring to this –

Vineeto to [List D, No. 4]: “In the early morning of December 29, 2009, feeling-being ‘Vineeto’ was overtaken by a panic attack, which convinced ‘her’ that, although everything written on the website was coherent, correct and a valid description of the actual world as ‘she’ had experienced it in ‘her’ own PCEs, seeing Richard to be insane who needed to be feared and avoided. (The reason why Peter wasn’t infected was because he had seen it all before when this happened to Devika/Irene).

This second panic only lasted for 3 days but because it happened during the out-from-control virtual freedom it turned into an out-of-control panic mode. Only ‘her’ decade-long training in keeping ‘her’ hands in ‘her’ pockets and neither repress nor express the intense feelings racing through ‘her’ allowed the extreme situation to subside so soon afterwards … and look where I am today.”

The explanation for it can be found in the first third of that message I wrote to [List D, No. 4] on January 7 2013 and it is self-explanatory –

Vineeto: Now I know, from personal experience, what the underlying cause is for [No. 4’s] whole elaborate international campaign. First let me present it in his own words –

Epitaph

[No. 4]: ‘The principal ‘mutineers’ were Pamela and Vineeto, both of whom are now actually free.

They were experiencing something that seems to be almost mandatory at some point on the road to actual freedom: *seeing Richard as a dangerous lunatic*.

Welcome aboard ;-)

Cheers, [No. 4.]’ (Message 9229, 5.3.2010) [emphases added].

It appears that this “almost mandatory” experiencing is no longer “mandatory” because several people have become actually free since 2009/2010 and none of them reported a significant fear of insanity.

Ha, can you see how it becomes easier and easier for each subsequent pioneer?

Cheers Vineeto