(List D refers to Richard’s List D Vineeto’s Correspondence with Kuba on Discuss Actualism Forum
KUBA: Ok so this habit/mechanism is becoming pretty clear now, as it should after so many times it has resurfaced – Naiveté stops → connection to pure intent is cut → Now ‘I’ am once more doing sudorific things, solving puzzles etc. The answer is of course to resume naiveté rather than continuing down the dead ends. And I know when I am being naiveté because it is all so easy, there is this uncapped optimism, I am doing it / it is happening, there is no space for solving puzzles, that would require hanging back. And as for sudorific challenges, it is way too fun to become involved in this manner. ![]() VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Excellent. Now you have the map, you can actualize it. KUBA: huh, reading the quotes you posted, Vineeto, something did click there, it is something that I have seen before, the quotes I am referring to:
The seeing was almost like this entire game of being an identity is a misunderstanding. ‘I’ am ‘my’ feelings and ‘my’ feelings are ‘me’… Furthermore ‘I’ am the ‘many’ and the ‘many’ are ‘me’… There are only the passions and the drama which erupts due to these passions operating in human beings is called “the human condition”. Yet there are no ‘entities’ actually in existence, it is only that the passions have usurped human intelligence and created an illusory real world along with the various ‘who’s’ that live there. VINEETO: Yes, you have seen it exactly. “This entire game of being an identity” is made seriously and deadly real via the instinctual passions. Just one correction – it is not that “the passions have usurped human intelligence” – it happened the other way round. The instinctual passions existed long before the human animal evolved into an intelligent human being. Here is a summary which I found so concise and brilliant that I like to post it here –
KUBA: It was the glimpse that ‘my’ very ‘being’ has no substance at all – that if ‘I’ am seen to be merely a feeling then ‘I’ cease to exist in the entirety of ‘my’ being. This seeing was that it would be almost too easy for ‘me’ to cease existing because ‘I’ don’t actually exist in the first place. It would be all this over absolutely nothing … that this whole time you have been conversing with a flesh and blood human being and ‘my’ whole existence was as if a huge misunderstanding. That would be something to laugh about à la Geoffrey. VINEETO: Why “would be” – why isn’t it? Is there an observer in situ who keeps this vital insight, this apperceptive seeing, at arm’s length and doesn’t allow it to penetrate to the depth of your being? KUBA: And this is that “special preciousness” of ‘being’, in that the passions have become a ‘who’, this ‘who’ feels precious beyond compare and yet ‘he’ has no actual existence, ‘he’ is merely a feeling. VINEETO: Yes exactly, and to be more precise – ‘you’ are “merely a feeling”. KUBA: And what is even more ridiculous is that the ‘many’ exist in the same manner. What ‘humanity’ has been doing is over nothing because there is not a single ‘entity’ that actually existed through all this madness. Both the ‘me’ and the ‘many’ are the instinctual passions in operation. So 100% it is doable for all, the illusion can come to an end. Furthermore once done there is no possibility at all for going back, there would be nothing to go back to, there never was in actuality. Of course this thing that I saw was only a glimpse as ‘I’ am still here but it seems extremely doable, exactly what Richard wrote – “The direct experiencing of this is the ending of ‘me’ … and I am this flesh and blood body only being here now as only this moment is”. VINEETO: Yes, “this thing … was only a glimpse” but it was the very glimpse of direct seeing to set you free. It is not “doable” as you call it because the ‘doer’ will not be involved – one could call it ‘it is ‘be-able’. This exact-same direct seeing can also be the catalyst for leaving humanity. Don’t turn this insight into a map, into theoretical knowledge, which is one step removed from the actuality of the landscape itself. Don’t fall for the chimera that when you move your finger along the map that you actually walk (hence my pointing to the word ‘be-able’ rather than “doable”). I say this because you mentioned that you like to know in advance what will happen before you take the next step. Break a habit and be naïve this time around, it is of vital importance – for this body, that body and every body. KUBA: ‘I’ just have to allow ‘myself’ to be exposed like so, for the very core of ‘my’
being to be unravelled in this way. VINEETO: Aye, give the permission, “pull out all the stops” and allow all of ‘you’ “to be exposed like so”, warts and all. KUBA: This makes sense now why that fundamental grimy passionate energy of ‘me’ cannot be chipped away at, this is ‘me’ as ‘being’. ‘I’ gave ‘myself’ some stick for ‘being’ this at times lol but now I can see that this was exactly the point of all that ‘I’ did before, which was to whittle ‘me’ down to a point where it can be seen so clearly that ‘I’ am ‘my’ passions and ‘my’ passions are ‘me’. It didn’t click for a long time that once ‘I’ arrived at this place that the next step was to end ‘me’. Because there is simply no more improvement that can be done, this energy is ‘me’ and cannot be removed as long as ‘I’ remain. ‘I’ am an amorphous ‘presence’ which is those very swirling passions. This energy of ‘me’ is a very grimy energy though and as long as it is in place there cannot be an actual happiness and harmlessness. I realised yesterday that up until now I was still running from acknowledging this to some extent, that this grimy energy is what ‘I’ am, that ‘I’ have no way out of this at all, that it cannot be ‘fixed’. Yesterday driving to training I allowed this energy of ‘being’ to be completely bare, to bring it to full experience - this is the very core of ‘me’ as a passionate entity. There was an automatic courage which matched ‘my’ exposure, I had Geoffrey’s quote repeating in my head –
As I already discovered, any of the passionate energy of ‘me’ will do, again it is not about any “golden combination”. How could the ending of a passionate entity not be a passionate business… VINEETO: Hi Kuba, The first thing I noticed when reading your post was that it seemed very serious, almost grim. You talk about “this grimy energy is what ‘I’ am”. You may remember that I said to Claudiu “the passionate ‘me’ as well as the sensible
‘me’ need to take part in the final decision as a passionately felt decision.” But just because it is a “passionately felt decision” it doesn’t mean it has to be serious! You see, ‘I’ won’t agree to sacrifice ‘myself’ because you are disgusted with ‘me’ – ‘I’ want to be joyfully embraced, warts and all, because ‘I’ hold the key to your freedom with ‘my’ willing concurrence. You may have had only the main instinctual passions of fear, aggression, nurture and desire in mind or perhaps only malice and sorrow to be making up “this grimy energy is what ‘I’ am”, but as you said yourself “any of the passionate energy of ‘me’ will do”. Now remember, “the felicitous/ innocuous feelings are in no way docile, lack-lustre affections” –
You only need to figure out whatever works to activate your altruism for enabling the final step. Who or what do you want to give all of ‘yourself’ to? VINEETO: You only need to figure out whatever works to activate your altruism for enabling the final step. Who or what do you want to give all of ‘yourself’ to? KUBA: Thank you for this advice Vineeto, indeed the energy of those deliberations was serious and even grim. I read this bit with a smile on my face, what a wonderful question to sincerely and naively ask ‘myself’! It automatically came with a felicitous/ innocuous energy fuelling the wondering. ‘I’ do not have an answer to this question yet, and this is exactly correct! ‘I’ locate
the answer to ‘be’ undone by it at the same time. Any other answer with ‘me’ still in place is obviously not
it. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, It is wonderful to hear. Richard reports having had a few open questions with significant results. This was his seminal question –
PS: I don’t think you need to be concerned of what Sonya told you KUBA: So things are still going well, I have managed to evade getting stuck in the same places that I did in the past. That question of who or what am ‘I’ willing to give all of ‘myself’ to is still open, it is a thread that runs through ‘my’ moment to moment experience. (…) So ‘I’ can completely lay down ‘my’ arms, this is what you
mentioned, Vineeto, that ‘I’ have to be happy to be exposed warts and all. It’s like ‘I’ can happily agree
that this is the end of the road for ‘me’, which means ‘I’ no longer have to be vigilant in order to keep ‘myself’
in check. It’s the end of a lifetime struggle, the battle between good and evil. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, This is exactly it. Here Richard summed it up to a correspondent who was living “in this small island in the southern Atlantic Ocean by the Brazilian cost, very few books are available. My friends talk of fishing ... mainly” –
All is going well. KUBA: And it is clear that this has all to do with altruism, as in ‘I’ can accept the facticity of death’s oblivion and yet this is not altruism. Accepting the facticity of death can undo resentment however altruistic self sacrifice is more than this. It is a gift that ‘I’ gift to humankind, willingly and cheerfully. It is not merely accepting that death will happen (this is somewhat passive) but rather ‘I’ actively ensure ‘my’ death now, for the benefit of others. It is something that ‘I’ must want to do with the entirety of ‘my’ being, this is not merely acceptance. So the question is what will seduce ‘me’ to want to gift this gift, it will have to be big! VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Is it really so difficult to find a gift that will seduce ‘you’? It may only be difficult because what you are looking for has “to be big” in ‘your’ limited estimation – so big that you can’t find anything big enough equalling the ‘big’ value of your ‘being’? In fact, it doesn’t have to be “big” at all but something you passionately care about. What about giving Sonya what she always wanted, deep down – all of you, the actual you? What about enabling peace-on-earth for one more human being with the untold and unforeseen consequences for a further spreading of peace? What about being able to be of service to those who want to become actually free? –
I’m sure you will eventually find something … P.S. Just imagine what problem the last unfree person on earth will have when there is nobody left who they can altruistically self-immolate for! You are still exceedingly lucky. KUBA: So the question is what will seduce ‘me’ to want to gift this gift,
it will have to be big! VINEETO: (...) What about giving Sonya what she always wanted, deep down – all of you, the actual you? KUBA: This one especially got me and I have had these kinds of glimpses recently. That all my life I have been looking anywhere but here for the answer, and this includes those fellow human beings that are close to me in my life. Somehow I have depreciated them and yet they have been so intimately involved in my life, they have been here all this time and somehow they have been as if invisible to ‘me’. I looked at a picture of me and Sonya that we have in our bedroom and I realise that she is invisible to ‘me’, that even when that “happy picture” was taken, there was a rift of impassable proportions between ‘me’ and her. It was easier to deceive myself by playing with far out ideals rather than looking right under my nose. ‘I’ would play with utopian dreams meanwhile ‘I’ cannot give Sonya what she wants, which is actual intimacy. And ‘I’ realise that in this regard ‘I’ am a complete failure, truly ‘I’ cannot give her what she wants, instead ‘I’ settled for a comfortable distance and then toyed around with things that would never actually come to fruition. Partly because ‘I’ knew that ‘I’ would screw things up if ‘I’ tried to get close. And I can see this in her, that she wants all of me, the actual me. This is a very core aspect of ‘me’ that you have pointed to, Vineeto, it has been written before that men in particular struggle with intimacy and indeed this is like trying to mix oil and water for ‘me’, and ‘I’ have done what ‘I’ can to get close safely. The struggles that ‘I’ have left in ‘my’ life relate specifically to this fear of intimacy.
Richard wrote somewhere that to be actually intimate is life’s great challenge and it seems for ‘me’ this
aspect of actual intimacy specifically as it relates to other human beings is somewhere that ‘I’ am still afraid
of venturing towards, it seems this is the only place where there is still a sign that says “do not proceed
here”. KUBA: It seems ‘I’
never wanted intimacy with other identities because ‘I’ know that it will inevitably leave all concerned bruised,
metaphorically and literally lol. So ‘I’ have been afraid to get close to others as ‘I’ felt that it would
have to be an emotional involvement. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, An excellent choice and I am pleased you have taken up the challenge to even consider talking about intimacy. (Whenever I have mentioned this topic so far there was dead silence – it is obviously very scary to
discuss intimacy in public, even on this list dedicated to discuss becoming actually free. Fortunately Martin As such you start by finding reasons to not even try, for instance – “because ‘I’ knew that ‘I’ would screw things up if ‘I’ tried to get close” and “it will inevitably leave all concerned bruised”, and therefore that intimacy can only be safely approached after you are actually free. In other words, your first natural reaction is to think/ philosophize about it in order to keep the other at arm’s length. I wonder where is that enterprising youth “doing parkour”
KUBA: When I looked at that picture of me and Sonya I glimpsed that there is an actual person there, not an identity but a flesh and blood body, I saw that actual intimacy with her is utterly delicious and safe. It seems I have answered my own question here – basically ‘I’ created an unnecessary boundary, using emotional
intimacy as a trailer for what actual intimacy is like, ‘I’ then used this to fuel ‘my’ fears about getting
close to others. Of course there is no danger at all to actual intimacy. In actual intimacy there are no identities,
it is something that happens between flesh and blood bodies only. VINEETO: Ha, this fear “about getting close to others” is still in situ and therefore you ‘solve’ your fears by jumping to imagine what will happen when you are actually free before trying out to be intimate as a feeling being. Besides, becoming actually free does not make you magically an expert in everything you have avoided before. However, when you courageously start from where you are at with utmost sincerity, you can play, together with your fellow human being, the game of ‘how close can we get’. It is a wonderful game, inclusive, full of surprises and joy, fun and laughter, scary moments and tenderness, thrill and exquisite delight and wonder. In this game of ‘how close can we get’ each can nevertheless proceed at their own pace, as reciprocity regarding giving more and more of yourself is not required. Via sincerity and naiveté each can then entice the other by being as intimate and open to share as they dare to be.
Exploration into intimacy also paves the way for man and woman living together in peace and harmony – considering that their sexuality and intimacy are the core of human civilisation itself.
In short, Kuba, you have a fun-filled exciting and highly beneficial adventure ahead of you. KUBA: So I thought I will write a bit about how this is progressing now rather than from memory later. Vineeto’s suggestion to play the “how close can we get” game has been brilliant and fun. It is a weird one because I am not sure why this fear of intimacy, of getting close. It kind of made sense in the past when I would want to hide the grotty ‘me’ from others. Also in the past there was always the fear of going back into love but those things are no longer of any concern. I can indeed get close to others safely, this is one of the wonderful aspects of a virtual freedom. The fact is that 99% of the interactions I have on the daily are amicable and fun for all concerned, this I take for granted now, it seems this fear of getting close was more habitual than anything. This game of “how close can we get” I have been playing in all circumstances too, with the customers that ring at work, with my training partners, with the hen parties etc. Of course it is in my interactions with Sonya where it can flower fully. It was a bit of a sad reflection of what has been going on up until now when Sonya remarked that I am being so affectionate and that she is so happy… The thing is that I have not been trying to be loving or anything like this, rather I have simply allowed myself to get close. The wonderful thing is that this intimacy is lasting, it is not taxing in any way, like love is. I am not trying to create any grand gestures or manufacture some kind of a feeling, rather I am just allowing myself to get close, what I wanted all along anyways! VINEETO: Hi Kuba, What a marvellous report and I can relate intimately – especially when you said “what I wanted all along anyways!” It is what everyone wants deep down, but never dares to do or even ask. It brings back delightful memories when Richard suggested this game to me after I became actually free and more so after he came back from India – all I can tell you that the sky is not the limit. KUBA: And playing this game of “how close can we get” is like travelling up and down the gradations of intimacy that Grace suggested:
VINEETO: Isn’t it great Grace spelt out her gradations so we now have the words to precisely communicate as well as experience it. So much to enjoy, discover, explore and marvel and getting closer and closer. KUBA: This is why the game is fun! Every moment is an opportunity to slide along this scale with no expectations on the other or oneself. What I noticed very quickly is that any sorrow or malice immediately obstructs one’s ability to get close. Of course I cannot get close if I resent or fear the other, only felicity and innocuity offers the safety to get close like so. Which means there is an immediate feedback loop – “I am not able to get close to the other, why?” and immediately I get an answer – because there is some sorrow and malice in the way. Then it is impossible to hold onto it, no matter how small, because it is patently clear that it is standing in the way between me and others. This makes utterly clear one point – that one must be both happy and harmless. Also when another is involved it is easier to put aside any of ‘my’ self-centred agendas and simply proceed towards felicity and innocuity – where intimacy is possible. Because now it is not just for ‘me’ but for everybody. VINEETO: Ah, now you know, intimately, what it means “for this body, that body and everybody”. Now you also know, experientially, what Richard meant when he said: “all the way through being naïveté itself” –
KUBA: So the past couple of days it’s like I have been thawing out those remnant bits of ice that were covering ‘my’ being. I realise that all those fears I had about “what would others think when I am actually free” etc These are so silly, shouldn’t I rather be excited about finally getting actually close to my fellow human beings? (what I have always wanted). And so there was a distance that I was trying to somehow jump across, but to no avail. Instead I can virtually remove this distance whilst still remaining an identity, and when I am so close there is no fear. How could I possibly fear my fellow human beings? Daring to get close means that I begin to experience this person in front of me as they are, there is nothing to fear there. And what I also found is that when I dare to get close, to actually pay attention to this person in front of me, then it is impossible to dislike them, or to get sour about this or that, for I see that they are a fellow human being just like me, so intimately involved in this business called being alive. VINEETO: Having nothing to hide means exactly that – nothing to fear, and even better, when you are near innocent and “actually pay attention to this person in front of me, then it is impossible to dislike them”. It is not only the natural world, the mountains and streams, the sky and the stars which is magnificent and perfect, the intimate interaction with fellow human beings is also delightful, easy and benevolent. KUBA: The other thing that became clear this morning is that this
intimacy (with one’s partner) seamlessly flows into sexuality. Before there was the ‘normal’ which was this
“comfortable distance” and from that place we would jump towards sex. But the distance that needed to be
jumped across was uncomfortable, it would be like a task. This morning I allowed the intimacy to simply slide up the
scales and boom, sexuality begins to flower effortlessly. Then it is a lot of fun, no hard work at all. VINEETO: Thank you, Kuba, for your eloquent report of fun and delight, every word is a joy to read. KUBA: I had some very extraordinary experiences today… They were glimpses of what life is like after ‘my’ extinction. It’s very hard to put this into words, Richard described the actual world in such meticulous detail and yet the words alone do not do it justice, the actual experience of it is a different thing altogether. In fact I wasn’t going to write about it because it seems that I can’t (not very well anyways) Yet those experiences happened, it was a world where no ‘being’ ever existed, where the past, present and future never existed either, a different world altogether. And this world is all that actually exists, all of ‘my’ life amounts to a feverish dream, but even this dream… Did it ever happen? Where did it happen? Because only the actual world genuinely exists. To land in the actual world (with nowhere else to possibly go to) is an unimaginable relief, it is truly inconceivable, it has to be lived to be known. Just before those experiences happened ‘I’ was seen to never have been genuine in the first place, this is what precipitated them. One second ‘I’ existed across the past, present and the future, where apparently ‘I’ ran the show, then next second ‘I’ was fascinated by the fact that none of ‘my’ life ever took place. Indeed that ‘I’ am an errant and vainglorious brain pattern, ‘I’ never did anything of substance because ‘I’ was never genuine. But with ‘me’ having never been genuine there was an entire new world that opened up, except that I saw that eventually there will be no ‘me’ and no reality to revert back to. That once the door back to reality closes behind me, that it would have never existed in the first place, how bizarre! But this is exactly what guarantees such incredible safety, again the words don’t seem to do it any justice… VINEETO: Hi Kuba, This is a most extraordinary description of experiences. I can’t make out if you temporarily entered the actual world or are perhaps stuck in the door which should disappear as soon as you fully enter or … or is this possibly a mirage created by a still hesitating but nevertheless cunning identity? What does prevent you from fully walking through that door, if it is the actual door to an actual freedom, something you wanted to do (so you say) for a long time? And you say “those experiences” (plural). I can’t make sense of it … except perhaps that to experience “exactly what guarantees such incredible safety” is more important than taking the finalizing action? KUBA: What Richard referred to in one of his correspondences as the &“utter fullness&” which is ‘calling one’ each moment again, this utter fullness is infinitude itself, the fact that only the actual world exists. The direct experience of this is just beyond words, hence I wasn’t going to write about it initially as I figured that I just have to go ahead and live it. VINEETO: Here is how this correspondence about “utter fullness” started –
Unfortunately this correspondent managed to fritter away each and every opportunity to be fully “taken away” by “the utter fullness of it” with continuing to think about the experience in, what Richard called, “one-dimensional thought” –
KUBA: There was also this fascinated thought that although ‘I’
never did anything of substance ‘I’ am nevertheless the only one to make the decision to allow ‘my’
self-immolation, again utterly bizarre. A passionate illusion agreeing to ‘his’ own demise.
Are you perhaps making the same mistake? Have you made ‘yourself’ so ephemeral, so illusionary, that you are no longer able to make the most important decision of your life to allow yourself to be taken away? Perhaps another question can clarify something – has this “utter fullness” the same flavour as pure intent, “a palpable life-force; an actually occurring stream of benevolence and benignity that originates in the vast and utter stillness that is the essential character of the universe itself”? KUBA: Hi Vineeto, So replying to your message the other day:
I will explain how the experience came about in some more detail. Me and Sonya were watching a zombie movie and I became fascinated by the fact that the world portrayed could never happen in actuality, this was seen with absolute certainty. It could never happen because evil does not exist in actuality, it could never happen because we exist in a beneficent universe. I was reminded of something Geoffrey mentioned in a zoom chat – that if there was a button to end the world and us feeling beings knew this to be so, that not a single one of us would press it. This is because what we are underneath it all is that very benevolence and benignity. So this was the kind of contemplation that set the scene. It was marvelling at the fact that we exist in a beneficent universe which invited this “utter fullness”. There was a sense that actual freedom is not just an alternative but rather it is a guarantee, that since this utter fullness of infinitude is all that actually exist, the “call” will continue to ring and there is only 1 direction ultimately to travel, as Srinath wrote it is impossible to miss as one is aiming for the universe. So to summarise it was contemplating on the inevitability of this utter fullness sooner or later coming to fruition, because it is all that actually exists. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Thank you for your exploration and confirming that pure intent was present. I see that my guesses were all off the mark. KUBA: So it seems to me that pure intent was indeed active in these contemplations. To answer the first question though – “or is this possibly a mirage created by a still hesitating but nevertheless cunning identity?” I am not sure if I would use the word mirage (as it implies being tricked / doing the tricking) whereas ‘I’ was well aware that ‘I’ was not going to be taken away by this experience. ‘I’ was content to somewhat scout out the territory, the question is why? VINEETO: Ah, that explains why you didn’t walk “through that door” – hence it would better be called an ‘exploratory’ excellence experience? KUBA: A few weeks ago I wrote that it seemed that ‘I’ was indeed about to self-immolate, and it seemed that as it was about to happen ‘I’ jumped with the “too good to be true” and the thing halted right there and then. Something similar would happen over and over before I was able to allow my first PCE as a practicing actualist. I wanted it so bad that ‘I’ built up all these feeling reactions around it, so just as the actual world began to show itself ‘I’ would become so ecstatic that the experience would halt. It makes me think back to being young and eyeing up that pretty girl that I thought I could never approach. I wanted her so bad and yet I knew that the second she speaks to me I would crumble with emotion and get rejected anyways! So in the end I would settle for fantasy and looking from a distance. This kind of framework set up the parameters of ‘me’ as an identity, that I would want these things so bad and I was indeed willing to do what is required to have those things and yet the second they became an actuality I would be sure to prevent them from happening. It was not for me to live those things after-all, I was to always look from a distance at those other people that were able to somehow not get their own knickers in a twist over everything. Oh the jealousy and self-loathing I experienced at this over the years. So I was the super high achiever that would nevertheless achieve nothing in the end, it was not for me to live it… VINEETO: It reminds me of the story of Moses from the Old Testament, being shown the Promised Land of his god but not allowed to enter because of his sins. And there are some who still follow this ancient wisdom! I understand the history of your (emotional) objection, neatly fitting not only into the ancient (atavistic) pattern of ‘not being good enough’ as well as ‘you should not desire’ of Buddhistic lore and legend. Perhaps, you can now see that your ‘reasoning’ is all upside down – it is simply an ancient conditioning and therefore habitual expectation of failure being part and parcel of ‘your’ being. The flaw in your (emotionally-guided) comparison is that an actual freedom is your birthright – your flesh-and-blood body is already in the actual world. How can you ever be rejected once having become free from the identity in toto? Gee, what a cunning trick to ‘blame the universe’ for possibly not ‘admitting’ when it’s the identity who throws the spanner in the works! It must be the identity doing such confusingly flawed sophistry. KUBA: I remember that with the PCE it eventually happened when I stopped making it such a big deal, of course I wanted it but I had to somehow get out of my own way and allow it. VINEETO: Ah, so you retained your expectation and found a way around it. Now that you understand you can drop this expectation of failure itself. It is ‘me’ who fails because ‘I’/‘me’ and the actual world are incompatible/ mutually exclusive. KUBA: And so this is what I was trying to do with those experiences. There was the memory that the last time I became ecstatic the potential for self-immolation halted, so this time I was trying to “just chill out”, to not move in either direction and instead simply allow this experience for what it is, without jumping in either direction. It seems I am the most cowardly pioneer of them all, or rather a self-sabotaging pioneer. This is what I always found so outstanding reading Richard’s words, how he was able to proceed on his own into the unknown, I am the complete opposite of that. And yet I want to find a way to do it, it seems ‘I’ need to work with what ‘I’ have at hand. ‘I’ need to find a way to stop self-sabotaging. VINEETO: Self-sabotaging is part of ‘your’ survival repertoire, it is the very nature of ‘me’ to sabotage ‘my’ extinction. So rather than beating yourself up as in “I am the most cowardly pioneer of them all” you can pat yourself on the back for having discovered yet another ruse and found it redundant in the face of pure intent. The only way to “stop self-sabotaging” is to get the full agreement of ‘me’ for ‘my’ demise. Only (biological) altruism can overcome selfism. KUBA: And so I have been trying to shift things towards being an “of course”, that it is no “big deal” (in that emotional self-sabotaging way) that it is for me to live it after-all. VINEETO: It is a “big deal” and, once having gained permission from ‘your sabotaging self’, you can stand by it with confidence – it is your very destiny. Only 2 handful of people have done the “big deal” so far. KUBA: I think maybe I will end it here for now before commenting on your other questions so it doesn’t get too messy, oh I will just add:
Yes so this seeing of the utter fullness happened twice that day, 1
shortly following after the other. VINEETO: Ok, it took two instances of testing the ground – third time bull’s eye? But remember ‘you’ cannot trick ‘yourself’ – it needs the full sincere agreement from ‘you’. As I am want to say “all of you have to be on board.”
KUBA: It is a weird one because experiencing that “utter fullness” of infinitude the other day it was like a 100% guarantee, there is actually no other way to travel other than into illusion/ delusion. It is more a case of sooner rather than later – just like those enlightened masters ensured a continuation of suffering for 3000-5000 years because they did not dare proceed all the way – if no further pioneers take action now it could be another thousands of years before the human condition comes to an end. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I just want to check that I don’t misunderstand – when you say “there is actually no other way to travel other than into illusion/ delusion” do you mean “no other way to travel” unless one wants to fall “into illusion/ delusion”? I think your prediction of “another thousands of years” is rather glum to say the least – don’t you, for one, consider to “take action”? KUBA: So it’s like the universe ultimately does not care, that utter fullness of infinitude is already always here, it doesn’t have to do anything extra because it’s already complete. Indeed it has all the time in the universe, it is human beings that are only alive for a limited time, so indeed it is doing it for this body, that body and everybody, as in why allow suffering to continue for even another day. VINEETO: To propose that the universe cares or “does not care” is to make
the error of anthropomorphism/ anthropocentrism. It is animal nature, the software of the instinctual passions, which
does not care two hoots about which species thrives and which one perishes. The universe is beneficent, friendly
In short, in a finite ‘expanding universe’ an actual freedom would not be possible. The conditions are given, and have always been existent – the action of freeing oneself from human nature is up to each human being, using their initiative and native intelligence to be perfection personified, which is both one’s birthright and one’s destiny. KUBA: Yesterday something changed in how ‘I’ see ‘myself’, because those experiences a while ago where ‘I’ was seen to be merely a feeling were useful and yet as Richard wrote one does not go about eliminating feelings in order to eliminate the ‘self’, this is the wrong order of operations. Yesterday I was contemplating all this business with enlightenment and I could see that what ‘I’ am as ‘self’ is like an ancient imprint, this sense of ‘self’ is merely a feeling and yet it takes something away to treat it as a feeling only. ‘I’ am this imprint that feelings swirl around to form, a ‘structure’ that has absolutely no substance, an intuited ‘presence’. VINEETO: This is an excellent description, that “what ‘I’ am as ‘self’ is like an ancient imprint”, “‘I’ am this imprint that feelings swirl around to form, a ‘structure’ that has absolutely no substance, an intuited ‘presence’”. It reminds me of René Descartes, who started this philosophical theory with the axiom “I
think therefore I am” but then went further stating “I know intuitively that I am”. KUBA: The thing is that no matter how much ‘I’ try to get rid of ‘my’ feelings this ‘intuited structure’ remains, this is ‘me’ as ‘self’. It is the ‘self’ that has to disappear, then there will be no passions, it cannot work the
other way around, so indeed it has to be self-immolation. I could see yesterday that this ‘intuited presence’
will forever get in the way between me and others, there is no other way to ensure peace on earth other than by
eliminating ‘me’ as ‘self’. VINEETO: You are spot on “it cannot work the other way around” and also that ‘me’ “will forever get in the way between me and others”. Hence Richard’s repeated reminder that actualism is not to stop feeling, but to cease ‘being’.
(See Richard’s Journal, Appendix Five, A Précis of Actual Freedom VINEETO: I just want to check that I don’t misunderstand – when you say “there
is actually no other way to travel other than into illusion/ delusion” do you mean “no
other way to travel” unless one wants to fall “into illusion/ delusion”? KUBA: Yes I didn’t like that sentence when I read it back but I ended up leaving it as it is. What I meant was that there is the “utter fullness” and then there is illusion/ delusion. The actual world is all that genuinely exists so the only other ‘direction’ is to remain in illusion/ delusion. Ah I just had a good word come to me! It is the fact that actuality is pre-eminent. In the same way that one can pretend that a fact does not exist but this means nothing, ‘we’ can continue travelling down the path of illusion/delusion and yet this “utter fullness” is pre-eminent, the absoluteness of infinitude is already always here. This is why it was experienced to be a 100% guarantee. VINEETO: Thank you, I thought you meant that, I just wanted to make sure. * KUBA: It is a weird one because experiencing that “utter
fullness” of infinitude the other day it was like a 100% guarantee, there is actually no other way to travel
other than into illusion/ delusion. It is more a case of sooner rather than later – just like those enlightened
masters ensured a continuation of suffering for 3000-5000 years because they did not dare proceed all the way – if
no further pioneers take action now it could be another thousands of years before the human condition comes to an
end. VINEETO: I think your prediction of “another thousands of years” is
rather glum to say the least – don’t you, for one, consider to “take action” ? KUBA: Yes I do and that sentence was in part my own call to action (perhaps a little dramatic), realising that somebody has to go next, that this is literally the only way it can proceed, that the next person does it, and the next etc. VINEETO: I appreciate the reasoning for your dramatization. However, are you sure that your perspective is not fed by this “I am not good enough” hangover of the old days, now projected onto all of humanity? Wouldn’t be the fact and experience that actuality is irresistible provide enough pull to proceed without having to ‘kick’ yourself into action with dire projections? From an objective perspective it will become clear by the quotes further down, that “the continuation of suffering for 3000-5000 years” could only have persisted for so long because there was no alternative to the ‘best of human experience’ until the discovery of an actual freedom. As such all the morals and ethics of atavistic wisdom of dead Masters, Saints and Seers were perpetuated as being the Ultimate Authority. Now that an actual freedom has not only been discovered but has also been replicated via the Direct Route (bypassing enlightenment), these Ultimate Authorities are outdated, to say the least, and there need not “be another thousands of years before the human condition comes to an end”, simply because the alternative is already here as lived experience. One example is Richard’s hypothesis that full-blown enlightenment is finished, dead, unachievable, illustrated in his question to correspondent No. 22 –
You could say that now there are holes in the ‘psychic web’ of yore, and fresh wind can blow through. I share Richard’s confidence in the effectiveness of facts and actuality – it is indeed the only viable alternative to the perpetuation of malice and sorrow.
The question is how long will it take until there are enough people virtually free and actually free to influence and replace the ancient wisdom still being taught in homes, schools, universities and religious/ spiritual institutions, with common sense, facts and actuality, as well as equity and parity amongst human beings. * VINEETO: To propose that the universe cares or “does not care” is
to make the error of anthropomorphism/ anthropocentrism. It is animal nature, the software of the instinctual
passions, which does not care two hoots about which species thrives and which one perishes. The universe is
beneficent, friendly KUBA: Yes again I didn’t like those words… How about to say that this “utter fullness” (being pre-eminent and absolute) continually hands out an “invitation to paradise” (this is the call that is being made), however this “utter fullness” does not have a time limit, it is not constrained by any time-span. It is then up to each person to accept this invitation. So the conditions are already always in place and yet the universe does not force one to “join the party”. Although looking from that place of “utter fullness”, of that
100% guarantee it seemed that even if humans now chose to proceed as they are, that actual freedom would also
inevitably happen, in the same way that evolution happened all-round. Except that this would take much longer and
would entail much more suffering happening until then. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I’d like to comment a bit further on the part you snipped –
Just to highlight the ramifications of spiritual enlightenment having been the summum bonum of human experience for thousands of years, Richard elucidates it further in the follow-up discussion, thereby emphasizing the significance of the discovery of an actual freedom even more clearly –
In other words –
You can see that your confidence in the “experiencing that ”utter fullness“ of infinitude the other day” is indeed “a 100% guarantee”, not only for you but for every pioneer who wants to escape their fate and pursue their destiny. VINEETO: … Wouldn’t be the fact and experience that actuality is irresistible provide enough pull to proceed without having to ‘kick’ yourself into action with dire projections? [Emphasis added by Kuba]. KUBA: Yes it should shouldn’t it and yet there is clearly something which pulls ‘me’ back and that ‘I’ then seek to overcome with the dramatisations. It seems this “I am not good enough” needs to be rooted out fully. There is something atavistic to it, it reminds me of a post I wrote a few years ago when first getting some success with applying the actualism method. (…) I can see now that this is the atavistic basis of this “I am not good enough”, this is not just ‘my’ personal feeling but rather where ‘humanity’ has been stuck for thousands of years. It segues into what you wrote about actual freedom not being possible in a finite and expanding universe. It was enlightenment which set the parameters of what is possible for a human being, it provided the ‘wisdom’ that human kind has been living to. One of the primary tenets of this ‘wisdom’ is that perfection is never to be lived by any human being, that we are all sinners until we depart for an after life – only there perfection can be allowed. In a way I have been living to a commandment which was given by those god men – do not dare to live perfection in this life time as this flesh and blood body. Not only is it not possible (apparently) but it is taboo, it is not allowed. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Yes, you found it – it is the atavistic taboo to leave humanity, its ‘wisdom’ and its Ultimate Authority, or else you’ll be punished if you don’t obey its (holy) tenets, you’ll be marked as a traitor. You might like this quote – it dramatically describes Richard’s part of the journey that he had embarked upon at this point –
KUBA: It is such a perverse feeling/belief and yet it is active in ‘me’ because why wouldn’t ‘I’ just walk through that door and leave ‘myself’ behind. It seems as though it would be too easy?! Like ‘I’ am addicted to forever journeying as a sinner. Like ‘I’ am addicted to ‘my’ problems and ‘my’ solutions. But underneath all this is the commandment that I am never to live in perfection, that life is not meant to be easy. Experiencing that “utter fullness” the other day it was clear that it is here for everybody and that it provides an utter safety, the magnitude of which has to be lived to be known. And yet it was experienced that it would be “too easy” if it was all over just like that. That for some obscure reason ‘I’ should suffer some more. The best I can describe this in ‘myself’ right now is the belief that life is not meant to be easy, that it is wrong to live without suffering, that life should be an ongoing struggle of the good over the bad. I am basically describing that ancient ‘wisdom’ handed out by the god men. But with the discovery of an actual freedom this wisdom was cut at the very root, it’s very founding principles were shown to be incorrect and so the rest of the worldview topples down. VINEETO: That is a great insight and, with sincerity, action will follow. Yesterday you wrote about having discovered the “presence”, the “imprint”
– “‘I’ am this imprint that feelings swirl around to form, a ‘structure’ that has absolutely no
substance, an intuited ‘presence’”.
VINEETO: The question is how long will it take until there are enough people virtually free and actually free to influence and replace the ancient wisdom still being taught in homes, schools, universities and religious/ spiritual institutions with common sense, facts and actuality, as well as equity and parity amongst human beings. [Emphasis added by Kuba]. KUBA: This same thing is happening inside of ‘me’ right now. The seeing which can undo ‘me’ (as well as that entire ancient worldview) is already in place. And it is in place in ‘me’ specifically and in the ‘psychic web’ in general. So indeed there is no need for dire projections, rather it is an incredible time to be alive. As you wrote now it is the case of each human being – “using their initiative and native intelligence to be perfection personified, which is both one’s birthright and one’s destiny.” Yesterday it clicked what you have been encouraging us to do, which is to find something that ‘I’ deeply and passionately care about. I can see that this is something that needs to feel true to the core of ‘my’ being, something that ‘I’ have wanted so much all of ‘my’ life. I understand this is meant as an open question and for the answer to come experientially but I just wanted to write about the general flavour of this so far. What I could see yesterday is that all ‘my’ life ‘I’ was resentful and angry at the world. I was always very perceptive of others, my mum always mentions a situation when as a young child I called out my grandmother for only pretending to be happy with grandad and actually that she did not care for him at all, and what’s better is I delivered it in a poem form. But I was always resentful at the hypocrisy, the lack of equity, the ignorant irresponsibility and the harm that was being done by all, and yet ultimately ‘I’ could do not better. ‘I’ wanted so bad to ‘be’ the answer to all that and yet ‘my’ very being has always prevented this. My whole life there was this sense that something was off and yet I couldn’t put my finger on it, until I had that PCE at 18. In short what ‘I’ deeply and passionately care about is to be innocence personified. To live that which the PCE demonstrated and in doing so to offer (and demonstrate) a solid alternative to the “hypocrisy, the lack of equity, the ignorant irresponsibility and the harm that was being done by all”. This innocence is what I (and I am sure others on this forum) detect from you and if I had not experienced it first hand I would probably have believed it to be impossible. VINEETO: Remember, on February 27 you wrote – “So the
question is what will seduce ‘me’ to want to gift this gift, it will have to be big!” It is indeed “big” – “to offer (and demonstrate) a solid alternative to the “hypocrisy, the lack of equity, the ignorant irresponsibility and the harm that was being done by all”, “to be innocence personified”. It is wonderful beyond words that this is what you passionately want to be … Richard called it service.
KUBA: So this is the flavour of ‘my’ deepest desire – to be that. I thought before that it is pointless to proceed in this direction precisely because ‘I’ can never ‘be’ innocent. But this is exactly the point isn’t it? VINEETO: Ah, this is wonderful. This is what your open question has revealed to you. For this ‘you’ are willing to give 100% of your ‘self’ in order to make this deepest wish an actuality, to be innocence personified, which is something entirely new to human history. KUBA: That ‘I’ must give up ‘myself’ in order to allow ‘my’
deepest desire to become an actuality. VINEETO: Ha, once you are willing to say “‘I’ It is pure magic. KUBA: Thank you Vineeto, I deeply appreciate your service VINEETO: Hi Kuba, You are welcome. You do understand that Richard’s quote about ‘service’ had been referred to your choice and the ramifications of your deep “desire is to be innocence personified”? KUBA: All this that I have been doing (with your invaluable assistance) the past year reminds me of what Richard wrote:
I have come a long way though because now I know that what ‘I’ deeply desire is to be innocence personified, and furthermore I see that the ‘wisdom’ that ‘I’ have lived on all ‘my’ life is a damnation to never-ending suffering. VINEETO: I fully agree that what you have done “indicates a strength of purpose unequalled in the annals of history” and you can wear this compliment without flinching. From the perspective of innocence any suffering of a single human being is too much and any ‘wisdom’ promoting and perpetuation suffering is intolerable. Your native intelligence, determination and sincerity have successfully guided you through the weird and wacky maze of the human condition to bring you now to the brink of allowing to happen what ‘you’ wanted all your life for the benefit of your body, that body and everybody. KUBA: This “too good to be true / I am not good enough”
seems to have gone now. I no longer feel like a heretic when I allow that to be innocence personified is my destiny. It
no longer feels taboo to proceed towards perfection and purity. VINEETO: Ah, I am pleased to hear – you have left ‘humanity’ behind. Besides, how can you be a heretic to something which only exists in the human psyche!
It is delightful conversing with you. VINEETO: You are welcome. You do understand that Richard’s quote about ‘service’ had been referred to your choice and the ramifications of your deep “desire is to be innocence personified”? KUBA: Ah yes it did feel a bit odd aiming that word at you haha. So the service is what ‘I’ do by giving ‘myself’ up so that I can be innocence personified, this is what ‘I’ do for humankind. What this body will do once ‘I’ am gone or what you do now is part and parcel of being that very benevolence and benignity, of being innocence personified. To call it service is somewhat backwards oriented, taking a word from ‘my’ world and then trying to fit actual innocence into it’s frame. VINEETO: It is your deep “desire is to be innocence personified” and thus be of service to humankind – “to offer (and demonstrate) a solid alternative to the “hypocrisy, the lack of equity, the ignorant irresponsibility and the harm that was being done by all”, which galvanises you to sacrifice your ‘self’. Well, that is the beginning of your service, afterwards it is just part of the territory of being benign and benevolent, innocent and magnanimous. * VINEETO: From the perspective of innocence any suffering of a single human being is too much and any ‘wisdom’ promoting and perpetuation suffering is intolerable. KUBA: Ah how interesting that you write this because I was contemplating it just a couple of hours ago when driving to train BJJ. I was looking at what is still keeping ‘me’ from making that 100% commitment. I could see the remaining vestiges of ‘my’ life, of the who that ‘I’ am. I found it odd… On one hand there is this deep desire to be innocence personified and then there is ‘me’, driving to a gym where ‘I’ will engage in a competitive sport that centres around submitting others. There was some kind of a conflict there, because I see that competition is just another variation of the “rat race”, I have already investigated all the ugly outcomes of this. VINEETO: Mmh, does it have to be “competitive”? Can it not instead be showing fellow human beings how to defend themselves in emergency situations, or simply to enjoy using their physical energy to become proficient in physical activities for the sheer fun of it? KUBA: This doesn’t mean that I have to stop training or teaching
BJJ, just like realising that I exist in an exploitative system does not mean I need to go around “painting burning banks”. VINEETO: Ha, it’s good you can see that. KUBA: But there was this exact thought, that how could ‘I’ (knowing what ‘my’ goal is) encourage any endeavour which causes or perpetuates suffering for even a single person. It is ‘me’ that is the root cause of all the problems not the BJJ but even so it is an interesting place ‘I’ find ‘myself’ in – ‘I’ know what ‘my’ goal is and so now ‘I’ look at ‘my’ life and it’s all under question. VINEETO: Yes, I can understand this very well – the question I was asking myself after having become basically free, was am I really harmless in all my actions? What are the possible ramifications of my actions on others. It took some meticulous searching and intense conversations with Richard to remove some cobwebs of false ideals as well before this question was satisfactorily settled. KUBA: What I am sure of is that going all the way is far more
important than concerns of what this body will get up to when ‘I’ am gone. But this “in between” place
that ‘I’ am currently in is very fascinating – in what manner do ‘I’ continue living ‘my’ life when ‘I’
know what the goal is… It seems this is the point, that ‘I’ cannot continue living ‘my’ life if ‘I’
sincerely wish to actualise ‘my’ deepest desire, they are simply at odds. VINEETO: Mmh, perhaps you’ll see clearer when ‘I’/‘me’ no longer tries to interfere in the effortless happening of life. Remember, ‘you’ don’t have to become innocent – you said yourself “‘I’/‘me’ and innocence are incompatible” – it may look sincere on the surface but it’s merely a trick to procrastinate. All ‘you’ have to do is to get out of the way. VINEETO: Remember, ‘you’ don’t have to become innocent – you said yourself “‘I’/‘me’ and innocence are incompatible” – it may look sincere on the surface but it’s merely a trick to procrastinate. KUBA: Yes I can see this, the “conflict” that I mentioned driving to train BJJ was because it is ‘me’ that can never be innocent, so ‘I’ can deflect by projecting it out into various social issues. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, You can also say that your near-actual-caring is reminding you of your deep desire to be innocence personified, and experiencing the stark discrepancy of ‘me’ and actuality the result of your experience of pure intent working its magic. KUBA: It is exactly what Richard described in one of the articles in his journal when he was
being urged to get involved with protesting against the pollution of a local river:
VINEETO: It’s a wonderful quote, thank you. KUBA: Geoffrey wrote about “rising to the challenge of being here as the universes experience of itself” prior to ‘his’ self-immolation, this is exactly the direction that ‘I’ am looking at. And the question that ‘I’ want to answer experientially for ‘myself’ is – Is it safe, sensible and beneficial for all concerned to have ‘me’ disappear completely and to have only the perfection and purity left. Will the perfection and purity “know what it is doing” when left completely to its own devices. And this is 1 thing to allow as an idea but to experientially allow this as far as humanly
possible in my daily life is a different thing. As in can I turn up to work, deal with various things – essentially
to continue existing “in the marketplace” and for ‘me’ to have no involvement in any of these matters
at all. That whatever remnant shreds of involvement that ‘I’ have would no longer play any part at all – rising
to the challenge of being here as the universes experience of itself. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Given that you have already convincingly experienced and described your deep “desire is
to be innocence personified”, and have also recognized/ admitted that “‘I’/‘me’ and
innocence are incompatible” Richard lived for 32 years in perfection because (not despite) no ‘self’ was controlling his life living itself, I have done so for about 15 years without a hitch, not to mention the other actually free people. What is so special about ‘you’, the ever so cunning entity controlling Kuba’s flesh-and-blood body, that ‘you’ feel that ‘you’ are indispensable for Kuba’s survival? Is it perhaps the fear of extinction hiding behind a cunningly presented problem, to which you have already plenty of experiential answers from countless PCEs? If so, no half-hearted (as in “as far as humanly possible”) solution to this puzzle is possible. The only way it can be experientially proved that an actual freedom is “safe, sensible and beneficial for all concerned”, after all the experiential research done already, is by allowing it to happen. KUBA: So what you are asking is – Can ‘I’ guarantee that if ‘I’ was to wave a magic wand right now and resolve this latest objection (to ‘my’ satisfaction) that ‘I’ would allow ‘my’ self-immolation right now? VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Basically yes, that is what I am asking. It is a rhetorical question because both you and I know that this guarantee can never be given. I asked in order for you to experientially see the cunningness of ‘me’, and perhaps by fully comprehending the seemingly inexhaustible cunning of ‘me’, creating doubt and confusion and preventing to allowing naiveté and pure intent to live your life to the full extent possible. KUBA: OK so the only solution worth entertaining is that which
comes from a deeply passionate and caring involvement? VINEETO: Yes, this is what your naïve inquiry into a cause worth sacrificing your ‘self’ for has produced. I keep thinking of Richard’s quote –
In case you discover a passionate doubt or fear or any other deeply felt obstacle to your
desired aim, then you can harness the passionate energy by staying with the thrill whilst allowing pure intent to
bring you closer and closer to your aim – “to offer (and demonstrate) a solid alternative to the hypocrisy,
the lack of equity, the ignorant irresponsibility and the harm that was being done by all”. The solution, as I can only surmise at this point, is accumulating and fostering this “enormous energy” required, which is a passionate energy (without frittering it away by doubt and confusion). I have seen it happen with the woman of Indian birth. Richard was then able to talk to her about actual time – that it is always now and that the person who arrived at the airport no longer existed, even the person who walked through the door a couple of hours ago no longer existed. She agreed and as she agreed she experienced time standing still … and the rest is history. I am not sure if that made things clearer for you. Cheers Vineeto PS: KUBA: Yes I see this and I wonder perhaps do you (and others) see ‘me’ doing this very
thing too? VINEETO: Kuba, it is the nature of the identity to prevaricate and procrastinate. There is
no point blaming yourself as all you can do is recognize it when it is happening. KUBA: What I can see is that there is some kind of an addiction to the apparent safety of ‘being’, of suffering. That ‘being’ those passions is somehow required for safety, for survival etc. It reminds me of something that Richard wrote in his journal haha :
VINEETO: Hi Kuba, ‘I’ may feel insecure by ‘my’ very nature as ‘I’ am but a contingent ‘being’, a versatile chameleon of ever-changing passions. You are spot on, “passions is somehow required for safety, for survival”, ‘I’ cannot exist without passion, ‘I’ am those passions swirling around the vortex creating ‘my presence’. This very feeling of insecurity can be the doorway to freedom –
Alternatively, when there is no fear or anxiety barring the way, the very next paragraph from the one you quoted gives you a follow-up on how to proceed –
In other words: allow feeling rudely raw until the feeling of being exposed dies down – then you can actually be here now. And this is magical. KUBA: I just realised that ‘Vineeto’ did in fact experience being “naked and exposed” Actually this is a perfect segue into a great example of this kind of feeling in ‘my’ life. Some of my work that I do on weekends involves being a life-drawing model for hen parties. So yes it involves stripping completely naked in front of a bunch of drunk women. To enter such a situation with no ‘protection’ from ‘being’ or from the social identity is a great challenge and it’s something that ‘I’ have become pretty damn good at! But this is exactly it – To stand naked and unadorned as this flesh and blood body, no pretence, no
‘being’. This is the challenge, the challenge to be actually intimate, the challenge to have no ‘hiding place’. VINEETO: Yes, the social constraints to being naked, and sexuality in general, provide the first barrier, on the social identity level, to be “naked and exposed” but it is the existential exposure of having nothing to hide which is the more frightening, and you are presently having fun exploring this challenge and discovering the delight of being more and more intimate. On the same topic you wrote – KUBA: Oh I will just add, Vineeto, when I wrote the other posts there was some fear/
anxiety as to how you would respond – So yes clearly ‘I’ had something to hide, ‘I’ was afraid of ‘my’
hiding place being exposed. VINEETO: This is very perceptive of you. Feeling being ‘Vineeto’ was often afraid for the same reason, that Richard would discover something ‘she’ wasn’t even aware ‘she’ was hiding. Despite our long acquaintance, this anxiety never completely disappeared until shortly before ‘she’ disappeared as a contingent ‘being’. However, the more ‘I’ became exposed, the less fear there was because there was less and less to hide. Yet despite your “fear/ anxiety” you always graciously inquire into the aspects which get revealed in our conversations, an indication that an actual freedom has priority over the possibility of ‘having egg on your face’, to use a colloquial term. This, amongst other things, is meant by ‘daring to care and caring to dare’. VINEETO: I have seen it happen with the woman of Indian birth. Richard was then able to talk to her about actual time – that it is always now and that the person who arrived at the airport no longer existed, even the person who walked through the door a couple of hours ago no longer existed. She agreed and as she agreed she experienced time standing still … and the rest is history. (…) I am not sure if that made things clearer for you. KUBA: Ah ok I see what you were getting at now… Yes there is no sense in ‘me’ blaming ‘myself’ for going around in circles and neither should ‘I’ necessarily try to cover this up or deflect into something else, there is something key here. Ultimately this is all that ‘I’ can do until ‘I’ don’t. See ‘I’ took it in the flavour of some kind of a “telling off” – here goes ‘Kuba’ being cunning once more and going around in circles etc. But the key thing is to recognise the pattern, that as an identity this is all that ‘I’ can do, to put it off some more by going around in circles. ‘I’ did begin to see the pattern hence I asked Claudiu if perhaps it has been obvious to all but not ‘me’ haha. VINEETO: It is natural to first perceive it as “some kind of a telling
off“” and I am glad you could recognize that this is not the case. The more you become familiar with
this ‘pattern’ and recognize the furphy KUBA: Would it be correct to say that for the woman of Indian birth it was the recognition of the pattern which precipitated the apperceptive seeing which ended ‘her’? Of course the passionate involvement had to be there in the first place for any of this to happen. VINEETO: Yes, it caused her frantically busy mind to stop long enough to allow the process of her demise to complete with the help of recognizing that there is only this moment which is actual. She had already confidently and passionately stated actual freedom as her goal from the very start. KUBA: I described the other day how during the PCE at 18 I saw ‘myself’ as an “echo playing on repeat”, of course this ‘echo’ can only go round and round in circles. But if ‘I’ am to find a way to allow ‘myself’ to be seen like so, this can be the end of ‘me’. I wonder if this will make much sense for you but this is what I can see so far from what you wrote. VINEETO: You are still trying to do something – you have already seen (and remembered) the “echo playing on repeat”. Nothing more to do – be here and enjoy and appreciate letting the universe live you. It must be one of the hardest things for you to do, lol. VINEETO: The solution, as I can only surmise at this point, is accumulating and fostering this “enormous energy” required, which is a passionate energy (without frittering it away by doubt and confusion). KUBA: Yes it has and in fact I was looking at it exactly in this way before you posted. It is as if there is a force-field between ‘me’ and the actual world, this force-field is very real and ‘I’ am somewhat standing right up to it. So far every time ‘I’ have pushed into it there was not enough force to go all the way through and instead ‘I’ was as if bounced back to the same position, of being right up to it. VINEETO: You are aware, I guess, that the force-field is created by ‘my’ resistance, the very aspect of ‘you’ which does yet agree to abdicate. Pushing against it will only increase the resistance, forcing yourself can never set you free. What part of the term ‘allow the universe to live you’ is it you misunderstand? Instead of searching hither and thither, be a patient friend to the resistant aspect of ‘you’, listen, find out the problem, sit with the fear when it appears, sit with whatever passion comes to the fore – and in the meantime enjoy and appreciate, and then some more, until the exuberance of enjoyment and cherishing envelops your whole ‘being’.
KUBA: So after these failed attempts it seems ‘I’ then try to make that force-field somehow weaker, like ‘I’ could get a little closer and then it would take a bit less of a push, then ‘I’ could do it with what ‘I’ have got at hand. But this would rest on the assumption that this force-field can be weakened, but when I consider that this is talking about ‘my’ extinction then it’s clear that it cannot. Rather it is the passionate energy that has to be garnered even more. VINEETO: Yep, your ‘physics’ of ‘me’ is all a misunderstanding. ‘I’ cannot end ‘myself’ (remember, the last piece of the pizza?). Here is the relevant text again, with highlights for convenience –
There is most likely something that prevents you from “being just here, right now”, without pushing, acting, doing – just being here now. Richard has a reason to call it a challenge. KUBA: OK so what I take from this for sure is to be on the look out for the various ways in which
‘I’ fritter away this passionate energy. Those “side-missions” are very enticing because they appear to
me that they are doing something productive, but they cannot assist in producing this enormous passionate energy,
that I can see. VINEETO: I suspect, and I might be wrong, your greatest challenge is to do nothing and let “this enormous passionate energy” of felicitousness and innocuousness accumulate and let the universe live you. KUBA: This seems this is exactly what I was trying to get at when I wrote about “rising to the challenge of being here as the universe’s experience of itself”, except that instead of rising to the challenge ‘I’ first tried to do some problem-solving to prove to ‘myself’ that it is safe to do so.
This makes sense now more than ever before, the ‘process’ which Richard mentions is the apperceptive seeing which ends ‘me’. So ‘I’ (the last piece of pizza) do not do it, rather by rising to the challenge of being here as the universes experience of itself ‘I’ invite this ‘process’ to happen to ‘me’. What seems to be stopping ‘me’ from initiating this ‘process’ is this “feeling rudely raw about the prospect of being here now”, this is what ‘I’ was trying to solve by those prior deliberations. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I would say it is the other way round – this ‘process’ has already been initiated and therefore you are “feeling rudely raw about the prospect of being here now” and that you want to remove/ avoid the discomfort “by those prior deliberations” is an instinctual escape reaction, which is why Richard called it “a, oft-times alarming but always thrilling, momentum”. It’s too late to reconsider now. Hence my suggestion to avoid doing something but rather allow it to happen, let pure intent take its course. Richard once said that the human condition is weird, and therefore getting out of it is weird too. KUBA: So this is exactly how ‘I’ experienced it working a hen do yesterday, the initial social identity barrier was removed but underneath it was exactly that – “feeling rudely raw about the prospect of being here now”. And this feeling it seems it cannot be reduced anymore, it is that very core of ‘me’. At times yesterday this feeling did indeed subside and I found myself here more and more, and completely at ease. VINEETO: So even though the impression was that “this feeling it seems it cannot be reduced anymore” it can nevertheless “subside and I found myself here more and more, and completely at ease”. It’s like with all intense feelings, once you stop objecting to it, it will diminish and disappear. Nice. KUBA: So it seems it is about proceeding in this direction, of
experientially sussing out how to rise to this challenge. The way ‘I’ experience it is that proceeding in this
direction it is as if ‘I’ am forgetting something very important, ‘I’ am screaming to go back to this thing
that is apparently critical for ‘my’ safety. It’s like that feeling of “oh shit I left the oven on”
when one leaves the house, amplified x10. It’s urging ‘me’ to go back, to check one more time that all is
safe. But of course ‘I’ will do that forever hence the circling. So ‘I’ cannot wait until the waters are
completely calm before proceeding in this direction, then it would never happen. VINEETO: Yes, this is the very “oft-times alarming but always thrilling, momentum” in action, which Richard talks about – which means everything is going well. Don’t let ‘me’ interfere by trying to “go back, to check one more time that all is safe” or become impatient that “the waters are” not “completely calm”. Let it happen, don’t turn back. Enjoy the thrilling ride. If it was easy everyone would have done it already.
Once you give up all resistance then even the panicky urge to go back will simmer down and disappear. This is all really wonderful, and we are all graciously invited to watch every moment of your grand adventure. Thank you for this privilege. With much joy and appreciation KUBA: I had an interesting experience yesterday relating to this, that yes the drama is very real and yet it is a drama after-all… That suffering is very real and yet it is not actual. It made me think back to what Richard wrote in his journal :
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VINEETO: Hi Kuba, This is an experience confirming that you are allowing the drama to play out and an excellent observation as well. Whenever I provide quotes from Richard regarding altruism and self-immolation, I am well aware that most of his writing happened before the Direct Route was opened (only List D correspondence occurred afterwards). Therefore, Richard draws from his own experience of coming out of the enlightened state which was naturally quite dramatic. Nevertheless, the human condition being what it, is still has the same potential for high drama, and in the end, once committed to and embarked on the adventure, it can only be encouraging and pleasantly surprising when one’s own experiences are not as stark as described. KUBA: So although this drama can indeed reach some staggering intensity ultimately it is just a drama (this is what ‘my’ existence amounts to), it means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Of course, ‘I’ am prepared to let this thing play out to whatever intensity it needs to and yet from the other side it will have been “an emotional play in a fertile imagination”. VINEETO: It is been very fortunate that you discovered this pattern of last-minute-distractions because now you can be fully committed to “let his thing play out to whatever intensity it needs to” without objections and doubt. Yet, you have already experienced enough of “the other side” to recognize it is not actually serious even though the emotions are doing their level-best to convince you otherwise. KUBA: And I could see it from the “other side” to a
degree, that no matter the intensity of the drama – “in the place where I am genuine, no mental or emotional
scars are carried”. VINEETO: Just excellent. I salute your audacity. Remember how dramatic it was for ‘Vineeto’ five days before the event
KUBA: So the above quote demonstrates exactly what has been going on recently, it has been a pretty rocky ride at times! I remember Richard wrote that as weird as it may seem at first what ‘I’ desire deeply is what ‘I’ fear the most, this experientially clicked today. Because ‘I’ do desire oblivion and yet to proceed towards ‘my’ extinction is what ‘I’ fear the most. I have had Vineeto’s recent story It makes sense now that ‘I’ would want to ‘do’ something, anything to retreat into ‘normal’ life and away from the starkness. But ‘I’ cannot do that convincingly anymore, sometimes ‘I’ will anyways and very quickly it will become apparent that there is absolutely nothing in that direction to go back to. Having nothing of substance to go back to is what makes it an oft-times alarming but always thrilling ride. Essentially as Richard wrote:
And this is it, the core of ‘me’, ‘my’ precious is what ‘I’ am allowing to be exposed. This is somewhat similar and yet very different to what ‘I’ did with ‘my’ social identity. All along the path there was this need to be willing to relinquish a precious part of ‘myself’ BUT ‘my’ very core would get to remain. Whereas this ‘process’ that is happening now will ensure that whatever is still left in ‘my’ hiding place will be exposed, ‘I’ will not get to keep anything hidden. So it is proceeding towards what ‘I’ fear most and what ‘I’ desire the most. But I can see now that this is exactly what has been happening, this ‘process’ will progressively expose ‘me’ in ‘my’ entirety, ‘I’ cannot cut a single corner, ‘I’ do not get to keep even this little thing tucked away ‘over there’. Indeed this is an adventure of a lifetime, I can see the benefit of writing about this because this “desert of monumental proportions” is a deterrent from proceeding towards my destiny (and the same for my fellow human beings). Richard had the courage of his convictions and proceeded through it with no precedent, but he was exceptionally exceptional. It will be useful for others to know that it is indeed possible to traverse this. The other interesting thing which I forgot to mention is that when ‘I’ am experiencing this
starkness full on it appears as if this is all that ‘I’ have ever known and all ‘I’ will ever know, and yet
it can switch (and yo-yo) in a matter of seconds – where now all of a sudden it’s as if none of that ever
happened, and back and forth like that. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, What a fascinating thrilling time you are having, traversing this “desert of monumental proportions” and yet knowing with utter certainty that you are “proceeding towards my destiny”, and that there is “absolutely nothing in that direction to go back to”. Reading all this I was wondering if you perhaps are deeply influenced by these particular descriptions of Richard’s Journal – he was after all drawing from his experience of coming out of Spiritual Enlightenment /institutionalized insanity – such that they are what is now happening to you, especially as you also noticed that “it can switch (and yo-yo) in a matter of seconds – where now all of a sudden it’s as if none of that ever happened, and back and forth like that”. However, in the ultimate analysis it does not matter, because once the weirdness ends and you know with the perspicacity of apperception that “none of that ever happened” but was “nothing but an illusion all along”.
KUBA: Reading this back I can see why it might be “rocky at times”, there is still
some kind of a resistance coming from ‘me’. It is odd because where pure intent is pulling ‘me’ is towards
the end of suffering and yet ‘I’ experience it almost as if it’s some kind of an assault. ‘I’ am
desperately holding onto ‘me’ and yet ‘I’ am suffering, and then the pull towards the end of suffering is
experienced as an assault… VINEETO: I am immensely pleased that you discovered “some kind of a resistance coming from ‘me’” because it is this “resistance” which is fuelling the weirdness. The more you pay close attention to this “resistance”, and your experience of pure intent “as an assault” which is counteracting the “oblivion” you yearn for, the more you can deliberately lean into the feeling that “‘I’ do desire oblivion”, recognize and acknowledge it as a sincere yearning, a deeply felt longing, a life-long passionate wish to end being a fraud/an impostor who is having to carry the burden of hiding and desperately defending its own frightful secret. The reason I can speak so confidently about this ‘life-long passionate wish to end being a fraud’ is because ‘Vineeto’ deeply felt it many times in ‘her’ life, from the first moment when ‘she’ fell unconscious (due to low blood-pressure at the time). There was something so sweet, so enticing, so attractive, in those seconds before unconsciousness set in, and similar in following events that ‘she’ always wondered why that was so. ‘She’ finally found the answer when learning about an actual freedom – with the possibility to make those enticing seconds a permanent experience, via ‘her’ acquiesce to ‘her’ demise.
Thinking of you with the confidence of the pure intent showering its blessings
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