(List D refers to Richard’s List D
Vineeto’s Correspondence with Claudiu Discuss Actualism Forum CLAUDIU: A few updates: I definitely notice that sitting with and delving into the depths of ‘my’ being, there’s a distinct reluctance to really get to the ‘bottom’ of it. A sort of reluctance/ avoidance phenomenon. I do really want to know what the ‘bottom’ of it is, though – experientially! I see how I can fuel this wanting-to-know with passionate desire, it’s something I really do want, and the full force of ‘my’ desire will allow it to happen. Although I didn’t get to the ‘end’ of the above, at one point yesterday whilst sitting at my computer desk at my home hall-office, I suddenly ‘got’ it (concomitantly) that not only will I have to actually get to the very end, go all the way, of such an exploration, but also that I will actually do this. The seeing that it is needed to succeed, plus that I will go all the way, was simultaneous. This led to an absolute blast of an exciting time. I experienced it like being really on the adventure of a lifetime. I had visions like I was going through a catacomb, heroically fighting off skeletal monsters with my sword – that was the level of excitement I felt – and far more safely because I could do it all from just sitting in my house! VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, You say you “suddenly ‘got’ it” that “I will actually do this” … and then proceed with a ‘game’ created by “visions”, “heroically fighting off skeletal monsters with my sword”. I can’t really make sense of it. In my experience, becoming actually free is the opposite of a fight, it is full acquiescence of all of your ‘being’ to become extinct because at that point there is only one choice. When all of ‘me’ agrees that there is only one choice there is no inner division of one part of ‘me’ fighting another part. CLAUDIU: This brought out a naive exuberance that was really a ton of fun. This had an effect in all my dealings and doings with others, and went well, up until in the late evening there developed an irritated/ annoyed/ frustrated atmosphere having to do with working together to move some furniture around. The naivete gave way to being annoyed and feeling like I was unfairly offended-against. Today I still feel the after-effects of such aggression, and now I am contemplating on how to beneficially use this passionate energy of this instinctual passion. ‘How’ to passionately use the aggressive energy towards my aim? VINEETO: I would have called it resentment rather than full aggression – you were interrupted in your vision-created game of “heroically fighting off skeletal monsters with my sword” and called upon to do something so mundane as moving furniture around. But then you had some useful insights nevertheless. CLAUDIU: A lot of it just seems to do with sitting with and seeing it for what it is. For a brief spell I was worried that the fact of me feeling aggression would somehow disqualify me from succeeding. Like, what do I do about this? But then I saw with clear seeing what had happened: the instinctual passion of aggression happens first, then on top of this the passion swirls into a ‘me’ that is a ‘who’ which is who ‘I’ am, who is aggressive and at times nurture this aggression to ‘my’ bosom. But this ‘who’ is not set in stone. Actually what it ‘really’ is is ‘just’ an underlying feeling of aggression. This clear seeing is remarkably refreshing and removes any moral weight from it (as in I am a ‘bad’ person for feeling this way). And then I see it’s actually just a choice whether to continue being aggressive or not. And now I see that feeling this way or that does not disqualify me in any way, nor actually change what I want, which is to succeed for the benefit of this body & every body. And it being for the benefit of others as well is really a crucial component, it ‘locks in’ the significance of what I do and automatically orients me in a more sensible direction. VINEETO: Excellent. Can you see that what you want is to liberate both others and yourself from this very real and destructive feeling of aggression, not to mention the bad mood it comes with? The passionate energy which can be harnessed could be an increased determination not to chicken out (at least that is what ‘Vineeto’ took away from it).
So I think I answered my own question while typing it out lol, and now a familiar joy, lightness
of being, and exuberance is rising yet again. So you did! CLAUDIU: Really funny thing just now. I see now that … I can literally just choose self-sacrifice! Like, self-sacrifice is an option that I can just pick. Somehow I did not really realize this before. I thought I had to do it in some round-about way where because I am intrinsically self-centred I can’t really directly choose self-sacrifice. Which just amounts to trying to trick myself into it lol. But it’s one of the options available to me! I can literally just pick it lol. VINEETO: I do wonder – was this an apperceptive seeing or a mere thought – as in “to be or not to be that is the question”? If self-sacrifice is a genuine option, my question is what is stopping you now? CLAUDIU: I think I am still missing some step between the instinctual passion of aggression and:
and
Richard’s report of sitting with it seems apt with minor modifications
only, so I will go on this direction, e.g. instead of ‘fear’ it would be ‘aggression’ because I do really want
to know, once and for all, what this aggression is which drives human beings for millennia into the horrible things we
get up to on a regular basis on a global scale. VINEETO: I am fascinated what you are going to report. CLAUDIU: Hi Vineeto,
CLAUDIU: It was like I had a feeling of excitement of going on an adventure, the thrill of the adventure of it. Richard wrote: “It is the adventure of a lifetime to embark upon a voyage of exploration and discovery; to not only seek but to find.” I was experiencing it like an exuberant thrill of going on an adventure – which thrill I experienced as visions of “going through a catacomb, heroically fighting off skeletal monsters with my sword”. Maybe it is a male thing, I played a lot of video games as a kid where you control a character doing just that. Srinath wrote this in his report of becoming free:
I experienced it like this level of excitement. I would just say it presented to me as this skeleton-fighting-adventure. It was not that I would be fighting myself to ‘win’ or succeed at this adventure, rather it was the feeling of excitement. VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, Thank you for your precise responses on all my questions. I have a much clearer understanding now from your descriptions how you are at present and it all makes sense. *
CLAUDIU: I see why you read it that way but the situation was a bit different. That vision was brief, then I went to the office to have a meeting, where I had a meeting with that same set of people the day before, but this time it was much more fun, I was being much more naive. When I came home, there was furniture that needed moving. It had needed moving for some weeks, and it was impeding our lives, so I applied my naive exuberance to the task, coaxing the other to get into it by saying well let’s just start by moving this one little piece here… it was proceeding well but then I perceived the other as starting to feel frustrated at the physical movements of it, we weren’t working well together, eventually I felt like the frustration became directed at me rather than the situation, and it ‘got’ to me, I felt bothered, and like it was unfair, here I was applying myself to solve a problem in a fun and naive way, and the response was frustration and annoyance directed at me. That being said I see resentment is a better descriptor than full aggression. I actually did not realize resentment was on the ‘aggressive’ scale of the instinctual passions … maybe I should have by now?? Lol, woops. VINEETO: It seems not to matter now because you gained more insight into the aggressive aspect of the instinctual passions. Your co-workers would have also contributed with resentful/ angry vibes to the way you felt.
CLAUDIU: Thank you for sharing this experiential report of how to effectively use the passion of aggression. It is well-noted. VINEETO: You are welcome. Even though the correspondence was from 1999 when ‘Vineeto’ was still in the process of making sense of actualism, it indicates the intent to use, instead of pushing aside, any feeling or passion which arose for the purpose of ‘her’ final goal. *
CLAUDIU: It was such that my experience dramatically transformed to where I was far more aware of and recipient to pure intent, i.e. I had actually experientially turned towards the path of self-sacrifice. And I saw that it was a choice that I can do that! I don’t have to wait for a magic trick to happen or whatnot. (EDIT: not sure how best to put it but it’s that I instantly became directed “outward” towards actuality and pure intent, rather than remaining where I was and not going in that direction.) So it’s not that I saw it was a choice I can end it all right now this instant (I don’t see this choice yet) but I saw the choice to go onto the path towards that. VINEETO: Excellent. Your description that “I was far more aware of and recipient to pure intent” points to it being more of clear seeing rather than a mere thought. I see you are inching forward to make “self-sacrifice” as actual as possible. CLAUDIU: What is stopping me now is… naught but the latest objection. Which I do not see clearly yet. However I am getting better at detecting how ‘I’ squirm out of seeing it. And applying bloody-minded stubbornness to see what it is. I see that it’s literally a matter of, I just have to look and see what it is!! Like there’s nothing really special about it. Just actually get to the bottom of it. This is wonderful because my personality naturally gravitates towards really wanting to get to the actual full bottom and understanding of whatever it is. So works out nicely :)) (…) VINEETO: It appears you have an open question with the potential of giving you the seminal answer. CLAUDIU: So far the most stunning thing was in seeing how I am the very source of violence itself!! Like it is where violence comes from. That’s how I felt it at the time – writing it now it’s more accurate to say it’s the source of feelings of aggression and malice rather than physical violence per se. But of course the former begets the latter. There is indeed no way that I could ever clean myself up enough to ‘remove’ that somehow. I am literally the source of it!! It is me, I am this aggression. What you wrote is very apt:
This really makes it directly evident how self-immolating is for the benefit not only of this body but every body. These explorations are very deep! It feels very raw. It is much more passionate than before. It
seems I was holding myself back from going to these depths before. That is good, now I know better where the next steps
are. Whatever it takes, I will get there. VINEETO: It is wonderful to read, Claudiu. Perhaps your last objection will become apparent and disappear upon seeing when you find out (as I
said to Kuba
CLAUDIU: It is odd, I feel the same as in the past when I was super driven at work. In other
words I feel driven — but it’s as if there is a drive without any object to it. Or at least I don’t know the
object of the drive. It certainly feels strange… I will get to the bottom of it tho!! VINEETO: You don’t need any object – extinction is not an object, lol. Don’t let any mental searching or doubt disrupt this wonderful momentum towards your destiny. Richard describes this thrilling momentum in many places –
It’s indeed the ride of a life-time. VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, I remember ‘Vineeto’s’ momentum in ‘her’ last days in late December 2009 which I haven’t written down so far – ‘Peter’ and ‘Vineeto’ had planned for a xmas holiday two-three weeks to spend in the remote wilderness of the Bungawalbin river, and set out in the houseboat to travel the 2-day journey. ‘Vineeto’ sat on the bow deck while ‘Peter’ steered, full of exuberance and anticipation because ‘she’ knew that ‘it’ was going to happen there and then – there was utter certainty that ‘her’ days were numbered and utter confidence that now the long period of searching and investigating and procrastinating was over. The whole boat journey of that day was an utter delight, full of joyous anticipation. Richard hadn’t been sure if he would join us because he was residing in the river of the nearby town where he had met [Respondent No. 4 (D)] and planned to go back to the wharf in order to meet Tarin who in a few days was due for a visit. But ‘Vineeto’ was nevertheless confident that Richard would join them, in ‘her’ mind Richard’s company was vital to safely guide her in ‘her’ last moments. ‘Peter’ had anchored the houseboat overnight about the two-thirds of the journey and while ‘we’ were talking and frolicking ‘Peter’ heard a boat coming and urged ‘Vineeto’ to put on some clothes. But ‘she’ laughed and said with utter surety, “don’t worry, that’s Richard”. And it was! Richard had changed his mind and had travelled most of the night. When he had woken after a few hours of sleep he didn’t know which way the tide had turned the boat – north or south – so he had to use the stars to navigate (a skill acquired during his military service). It was a great meeting and an hour later we set off to the planned spot at the navigable end of the river, deep in the rainforest wilderness. I never forget that journey or the days which followed prior to ‘Vineeto’s’ final release – it was the best time of ‘her’ life and the whole time it was filled with this utter exuberant surety that ‘her’ end was imminent. This surety even operated during the 2-3 out-of-control days, which served well to elucidate that ‘she’ was ready to give up anything and everything ‘she’ had valued, for ‘her’ ultimate destiny. (Well, in practical terms it wasn’t as radical as imagined). And the rest is history. CLAUDIU: Brief update: I found that what really works to cut through any possible complications or hurdles or obstacles or whatnot, is seeing that I actually deep down do want this, to self-immolate, more than anything else! In other words it isn’t a desire I have to conjure up or manufacture or get myself on board or whatnot. At the root, underneath it all – I do actually want this. This immediately orients me towards enabling just that to happen. All my passions line up for this purpose – aggressively pursuing it, desiring it above all, thrillingly going into it, for the benefit of this body and every body. It feels like endless layers of ‘me’ just slough off in a sense in the face of this unified sincerity. This really appears to be key, placing it as the absolute highest priority above anything else, nothing else even coming a remote second. VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, I like this – “this unified sincerity”, “placing it as the absolute highest priority above anything else, nothing else even coming a remote second.” This is exactly what is meant by –
CLAUDIU: Going for intimacy has been really beneficial as well as it automatically orients me to something outside of myself (other people) and makes the target much clearer. Today this led to whilst walking across a rock face, finding that the experience was now a PCE, an experience of actual Claudiu expertly clambering over the rocks. I was nowhere in particular as evidenced by the experience that the rock face, a sea cliff with the water undulating at the base, could be on Mars or anywhere in the universe at all as the experience would be the same whether it is there or on ‘Earth’. There was no past or future or even a present per se, there was just this moment. This was arrived at as a smooth transition, no ‘gap’ was discernible in hindsight during the transition from feeling-being to apperceptive consciousness. I clearly existed. Was I the universe? Well, I noticed that I am not this rock in front of me… but I am the experience of this rock. The immediate is the ultimate – I experienced this directly. There is no other way for experience to be. This what I experience as a flesh and blood body is the ultimate of what can be experienced. Here and now is all there ever is or was or will be. I am not a “part” of the universe, separated out… I am the universe, experiencing itself as this particular flesh and blood body! How simple and perfect! And then I thought to contrast this with regular feeling-being experience, and now suddenly ‘I’ was ‘me’, experiencing the rock through ‘my’ senses – an immediately recognized shift, although again no discernible gap (very interesting!) VINEETO: Fascinating how it works! And yet, only when you are in the “regular feeling-being experience” can you actively and actually move towards this “unified” goal, “the absolute highest priority above anything else”. Isn’t that cause for celebrating, savouring, enjoying your “regular feeling-being experience”, interspersed with bona-fide PCEs to confirm that this is what you actually want? CLAUDIU: Following it was a common after-effect I’ve had after PCEs in the past sometimes, a feeling of… I don’t know exactly how to put it, but a negative feeling for sure. It had something to do with the comparing of ‘me’ the feeling-being vs how actual Claudiu was experiencing himself. I realized this was a ripe avenue of contemplation – what indeed, is this feeling about? VINEETO: Isn’t it obvious, even without deep contemplation, that second best is not as good as best? CLAUDIU: I saw that it has to do with ‘me’ viscerally knowing that ‘I’ was indeed completely absent, and, everything was far better off without ‘me’. In other words, not only am ‘I’ completely unneeded and superfluous, but ‘I’ actually make everything worse… and through much pain and striving (as ‘I’ experience it) and burden, too! In other words ‘I’ put in all this effort and it is seen to actually be for nothing at all. Then I realized just how very strange it was for this to be a negative feeling! I saw there’s really two components to it, one is the above, and the other is seeing that ‘I’ have to really go away, go extinct, ‘die’, in order for that to be the permanent experience. But all of this actually readily coincides with that deep-down desire, for extinction! The fact that ‘I’ am superfluous and it is better without ‘me’ is wonderful news because it means nothing will be lost. And that ‘I’ have to die for it to happen – well that is the whole point haha. VINEETO: Having read yours and Kuba’s posts ‘I’ am real, very real, as long as ‘I’ am a passionate entity hijacking and controlling
the actual flesh body. Thinking that ‘I’ am an illusion while ‘I’ am in existence is to transfer information
gained from apperceptive seeing during a PCE into the passionate realm of ‘me’ – what Richard calls from “3D-stunning” to “one-dimensional thought” in his
correspondence about “utter fullness”. CLAUDIU: I would say it seems I have not fully come to terms with it yet as if I did it would all be wondrous fuel for the fire, but, something about seeing it so distinctly still has hit ‘me’ in a way… VINEETO: You will get used to it, and then you will be able to embrace it and welcome it. CLAUDIU: The other overall thing I’ve noticed is that my experience
is basically the same since going out-from-control, there is no shift into or out of it, and I distinctly experience it
as different from ‘normal’. There is never any decision to make whether to self-immolate, it has already always
been made. I would say it seems that when some issue comes up, I can feel like I am experiencing myself like I would in
the past, but this is always seen to be a chimera, sort of a ‘pretend’ forming myself back into that way of
experiencing. I have wondered if it’s just always been like this my whole life and I never noticed haha, but there
was a distinct difference after going out-from-control so I would have to say it wasn’t. In other words it’s not
just an intellectual re-framing of experience or whatnot, the experience is actually different. VINEETO: There is something different now, as you just reported, from when you first went out-from-control – there is “this unified sincerity”, “placing it as the absolute highest priority above anything else, nothing else even coming a remote second.” CLAUDIU: It has really struck me and dawned on me experientially that I am nothing but feelings. For past few days while working I’ve noticed feeling of being driven, of pushing, this has felt different from working in the past where I would just be working and not noticing this feeling per se. Now I wonder if it’s not that anything has changed in terms of what I am feeling, but my perception of it has changed, as a result of the latest PCE on the rock face. IOW that which had been more subconscious is now conscious. I would certainly know I’m driven in the past too but it felt different now. And as I sat and contemplated about it yesterday I realized that this is literally who I am, I am these feelings, in this case the driven feelings. I am just one feeling after another, this is it, there’s no me that is separate or different from the feelings, no me at the center. In other words it is only an illusion that there is a me different from the feelings – I know you wrote, Vineeto, that this is confusing me but I’m not sure entirely how it is the case? VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, “That I am nothing but feelings” is a useful experiential insight – usually people experience themselves as one feeling or the other and when the feeling is strong and persistent they say there is ‘nothing but sadness’ or ‘nothing but love’, yet without the full recognition that ‘I’ am indeed nothing but my feelings and my feelings are ‘me’. It’s also the very recognition that allows the choice from being sadness, for instance, to being felicity. CLAUDIU: It’s different than in the PCE of course, in the PCE there just never was a ‘me’ in the first place. I do feel myself to exist now, but I am seeing that I’m just the feelings one after the other, nothing besides this. It is taking a bit of time for it to sink in but I can already see the benefit, there is nothing really at stake if I am nothing other than these feelings. Another way to put it is everything is at stake, these feelings is all that I am haha… but what I mean is it seems it will become more clear that nothing of value will disappear when I disappear, no one will die, it will only be an illusory death, so there is more confidence to proceed (have to go with where I am at even though in the PCE it was all perfectly clear to actual Claudiu lol). VINEETO: It was only a suggestion of mine to watch out to not inadvertently “transfer
information gained from apperceptive seeing during a PCE into the passionate realm of ‘me’ – what Richard calls from “3D-stunning” to “one-dimensional thought” in his
correspondence about “utter fullness””. Even though you say that “there is nothing really at stake”, “nothing of value will disappear”, “no one will die” and “it will only be an illusory death”, this evaluation is not sufficient for self-immolation to eventuate. These passions are nevertheless your very survival passions –
Only altruism (survival of the species) is the more powerful instinct to overcome selfism (survival of self) – and even a “nothing of value” self passionately wants to survive –
CLAUDIU: The upshot is I can fuel all this powerful and passionate
affective energy into the propitious direction towards felicity and naiveté. Instead of trying to stop or calm down
this drive, it’s more about redirecting this same energy with equal (or even more) potency into being felicitous and
naive, this is clear now. VINEETO: Yes, and this is wonderful. Now the only (open) question remains – who or what do you want to give all of ‘yourself’ to? CLAUDIU: Hi Vineeto VINEETO: Now the only (open) question remains – who or what do you want to give all of ‘yourself’ to? CLAUDIU: The immediate answer I had for this question is – the very infinitude of the universe itself! It’s as I wrote to you in an email on Nov 18, 2024: CLAUDIU (private email): Thank you for sharing that delightful
conversation. I found it scintillatingly wonderful and brilliant.
CLAUDIU (private email): Those last two paragraphs struck me. I can’t find the proper words to express it. It is so remarkably straightforward and matter-of-fact, and even logical in the simplest possible sense. Yet it points to an undeniable fact: that the infinitude experienced in a PCE is actual, and not metaphysical (and thus illusory/delusory). Because infinitude is experienced in a PCE (or can be if not always) … so it must be an experience of something. And it is not an infinitude of a God or other such thing, because the very substance that Gods are made out of is gone. So what is it an experience of, then? It must be the infinitude of actuality. The reason it struck me is that it drove home that this infinitude is actual – and thus that it is something worth sacrificing myself for. [emphasis in original]. That bold and italic part is what struck me about it. I don’t really know how else to put it. The magnitude and significance of that was stark, immediate, incredibly meaningful, and I don’t think the words I’m using here to describe it do it justice – but perhaps you can appreciate what I am getting at regardless. CLAUDIU: What I find a bit strange is I can’t give a satisfying thought out reason as to “why” it makes sense to sacrifice myself for the infinitude. What would the infinitude — already perfect — benefit from it? And I would be no more and such not around to benefit from this sacrifice. Nevertheless, I know it’s what I want to do. VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, Ha, it’s it interesting that when you have an experience of apperceptive direct seeing, ‘I’ want to make it into a reasoned rational argument. What struck you originally was the very actuality of infinitude, which by its very nature is incomprehensible, inconceivable, unimaginable and unbelievable. A ‘self’, limited by its own ‘self’-oriented boundaries can never comprehend the actuality of infinitude. CLAUDIU: Interestingly upon rereading it, it wasn’t the part I bolded at the end that got to me but rather a part much further up:
This is what struck me this time. The universe being infinite means there is nothing outside the universe and as such nothing that is not the universe / nothing other than the universe, against which to compare the universe. Hence it is peerless, it has no opposite, and it is thus intrinsically perfect. Again I can’t explain why this makes sense in a rational thought-out way. A denizen of the real world would quibble that just because something exists with nothing to compare it to doesn’t make it perfect, it could be bad instead or some other thing. Nevertheless it makes perfect sense that the universe being peerless, having nothing other than it against which it can be measured, makes it perfect. I can go further and see why, too. It’s intrinsic to the very nature of existence. Existence is intrinsically perfect, marked by benevolence and benignly. As such it could not be that the only thing to exist (the universe) is not perfect. Again to the philosopher this is remarkably unsatisfying and unfounded. If our template of a philosopher said this is unsophisticated, they’d be right of course. But unfounded it isn’t … it seems axiomatic or tautological but it comes down to it being experiential. Apperceptive experience along with the pure intent sourced thereof informs me as to the facticity of this which I write here. VINEETO: Well, what you are looking for is not a thought-out answer but a deep passionate conviction and desire for which you are ready to give all of ‘yourself’ to. (Remember, one cannot self-immolate just because it seems like a good idea at the time or makes thought-out sense). As Kuba recently phrased it –
What he personally found was –
This deep and passionately-caring desire is what he re-discovered at the core of his ‘being’,
his ‘presence’, which he described as “‘I’ am this imprint that feelings swirl around to form, a ‘structure’
that has absolutely no substance, an intuited ‘presence’”. I had thought of you when I read Kuba’s description of experientially knowing “what ‘I’ am as ‘self’”, because only a few days ago you had informed me that –
With this in mind, you can explore an even deeper layer of ‘me’ to experientially discover the
core of ‘being’ itself, “this imprint that feelings swirl around to form a ‘structure’” (which
if allowed to expand would become the ‘Self’, “the second ‘I’ of Mr. Ventkataraman
Aiyer (aka Ramana) fame)”). Now, to answer your question – CLAUDIU: “Does the above make sense as the “what” of
it? I already know it does haha, but it’s odd not having the thought-out answer of why it makes sense. However, I don’t
think I really need that piece of it … just to allow it to happen! VINEETO: Only you can know if to experience “the very infinitude of the universe itself”, which is “peerless (hence perfect)”, “marked by benevolence and benignity” is what you deeply and passionately care about to the point of ‘near-actual-caring’. This very ‘near-actual-caring’ will allow ‘you’ to gladly and unreservedly agree to ‘your’ irrevocable demise for the benefit of this body and every body.
VINEETO: Only you can know if to experience “the very infinitude of the universe itself”, which is “peerless (hence perfect)”, “marked by benevolence and benignity” is what you deeply and passionately care about to the point of ‘near-actual-caring’. This very ‘near-actual-caring’ will allow ‘you’ to gladly and unreservedly agree to ‘your’ irrevocable demise for the benefit of this body and every body. CLAUDIU: I’ve managed to answer my own question and actually get a satisfying answer to the thought-out part too. What I see now is that what I “deeply and passionately care about to the point of ‘near-actual-caring’” is everybody on this planet being able to experience that astounding perfection and purity of the infinitude of actuality. (…) But yes I see the way it will happen, is via caring as much as I possibly can about this, to the point of not only actually wanting to do something about it, but actually doing something about it! In other words it is this caring is the key… and now I know for sure what I can put all my energy behind :)))) VINEETO: Yes, this is exactly what is required – to “deeply and passionately care about to the point of ‘near-actual-caring’”, so much so that ‘you’, at the very core of your ‘being’, are gladly willing to give up what ‘you’ hold most dear – ‘your’ very existence. This might make it apparent why a mere logically thought-out sequence of events can never provide the passionate energy required for such a radical happening as altruistic self-sacrifice. Here is how feeling being ‘Vineeto’ experienced this acquiescence three days before ‘her’ final release happened –
To expand on ‘Vineeto’s’ experience “that ‘she’ was ready to give up anything and everything ‘she’ had valued” – ‘Vineeto’ had returned to the remote wilderness where the houseboats were moored (still under the
frightening impression that Richard had a “split-personality mental disorder” (see Announcement1,
#magic, [R]-tooltip, [1]) Strangely enough, this last shocking turn of events, instead of freaking ‘her’ out, brought an unexpected calm, ‘she’ slipped into the warm water of the creek and, floating along, looked at the sky and her only thought was “if this is what it takes to become actually free so be it.” (During the 2-3 out-of-control days, although ‘she’ questioned Richard’s state of mind ‘she’ never doubted his words written on the website, nor the PCEs nor ‘her’ intent to become actually free despite the emotional turmoil). The last turn of events resulted in a surprising peacefulness after the emotion-filled events of the last two-and-a-half days – no more struggle, only the full permission and endorsement to let the universe run ‘her’ life, as all ‘she’ had tried had come to naught. ‘She’ eventually made it back to the houseboats, towed by two roaming fishermen (there was no room to be self-conscious then) yet it took another few hours to gather the courage to talk to Richard about the whys and wherefores of what happened – by this time not knowing anymore if Richard was insane or ‘she’ ‘herself’ had lost the plot completely. In hindsight it was all utterly hilarious. As you can see the build-up to self-immolation can be quite dramatic at times. Outside is a wonderful almost wind-still night, a clear sky with a close-to-full moon, so calm and quiet as if the storm of the last week never happened, only the fish are jumping vivaciously, most likely to rid themselves of flees accumulated at this time of the year. Magnificence all around. CLAUDIU: To expand on ‘Vineeto’s’ experience “that ‘she’ was ready to give up anything and everything ‘she’ had valued” –
Haha reading this it did indeed paint an utterly hilarious picture particularly learning at the very last sentence that everyone was stark naked throughout. VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, Ha, the fact that you are laughing perhaps means that ‘being naiveté’ is still to take another step. Remember, it is also called ‘birthday suit’. * VINEETO: Strangely enough, this last shocking turn of events, instead of freaking ‘her’ out, brought an unexpected calm, ‘she’ slipped into the warm water of the creek and, floating along, looked at the sky and her only thought was “if this is what it takes to become actually free so be it.” CLAUDIU: This really conveys the willingness ‘Vineeto’ had to go all the way! Completely willing to give everything up, even apparently whatever sense of the world ‘she’ had made until then. VINEETO: Yes, and not just the “sense of the world” but also ‘her’ possessions and presumed safe future … nothing, but nothing was more important than becoming actually free. CLAUDIU: It readily explains why afterwards:
The time is ripe now for me to take full advantage of this easy access I find myself
having to the benevolence of the universe, and let it take me away fully… VINEETO: Ah, this is music to my ears. You can learn from Kuba’s escapade VINEETO (to Kuba): I would say it is the other way round – this ‘process’ has already been initiated and therefore you are […] CLAUDIU: Yes it’s like this for me. The things coming up now I see
are new things that I haven’t looked at before – which come up precisely because it’s new territory. VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, This is excellent. Even though you don’t describe the details, it is clear that the ‘cupboards’ are being swept out thoroughly. * VINEETO (to Kuba): Yes, this is the very “oft-times alarming but always thrilling,
momentum” in action, which Richard talks about – which means everything is going well. Don’t let ‘me’
interfere by trying to “go back, to check one more time that all is safe” or become
impatient that “the waters are” not “completely calm”. Let it happen,
don’t turn back. Enjoy the thrilling ride. If it was easy everyone would have done it already. CLAUDIU: That last part is good to keep in mind. We are indeed
pioneers here. The ones before us made the way far easier than it was for them, and we are making it easier for the
next ones to come after us. VINEETO: Indeed. The only thing to look out for is to not “trying to work out what is ahead by moving my
finger along the map” when in “intellectual mode”, as Kuba described it Everyone has a slightly different and thus individually unique adventure, and who would want it any other way. VINEETO: Even though he says the ego “is the only and last resistance to be
overcome” he falsely and deceitfully advertises his method the “path without resistance”. CLAUDIU: I didn’t get this at first but are you saying that… On PWR’s proposed path, from the little he has said it sounds like he is saying the only thing to do is to end this egoic resistance, at which point you are liberated? Hence the path (i.e. the part before the liberation) would be having resistance throughout (as ego still extant), and as soon as that resistance is somehow overcome (very sparse details if any on how to do this) one has succeeded and is thus no longer on the path? Hence it would indeed be a path with resistance throughout (by his own descriptions)? VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, The short answer is yes. The long answer is that even within his own belief system (that only the ego needs to be “overcome”) he is inconsistent in his advertising as the ego will resist being “overcome” all the way, just as the soul equally, if not more so, resists its own extinction (more correctly resists giving permission to abdicate). And we know that even the path to liberation aka spiritual enlightenment is rarely successful (only 0.00001 % of the population have become enlightened). CLAUDIU: A major breakthrough has occurred for me where it finally clicked just how much better it is to be ingenuous and artless rather than attempting to put out an image or preserve some identity! It happened as I was on a work trip, and came home, and I found that I wasn’t enjoying myself so much. I felt like I had to be ‘on guard’ all the time, and conversations were not really fun. And I didn’t feel fully at ease somehow… this has often happened in the past when I had been away from home for a while, after a few days it goes back to how it was before I left. VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, This is fascinating. I remember what ‘Vineeto’ had noticed as soon as ‘she’ had left ‘her’ parents’ home, that ‘she’ always felt uneasy when for instance ‘her’ boyfriend and one of ‘her’ female friends met with ‘her’ in a social gathering. ‘She’ always felt in a quandary how to behave/ who to be, because like most people ‘she’ had always accommodated ‘herself’, i.e. ‘her’ persona, to the one ‘she’ was with – and as such it turned out that these ‘personas’ were not exactly the same with different people. As you found out yourself, only being sincerely who you are, and even better, being naïve as close to innocence as possible, can dissolve this habitual presentation of being a particular persona with different people. CLAUDIU: But then I saw what I was doing is, basically trying to hide from the people around me! So I felt like I had to go around on tiptoes to be careful to reveal only certain parts of myself. VINEETO: Exactly, a persona is only ‘invented’ and presented when ‘you’ have something to hide and that is always stressful, to say the least. CLAUDIU: I made a decision then and there that I don’t want to live my life that way, hiding away like this. I will just be as I am, and whatever comes of it, so be it! Things were remarkably better and way more fun after this. It wasn’t even anything specific I was trying to hide (as in a secret), it was just the general approach to it. I felt comfortable, at ease, and the feeling of unease had gone away fully. I see now how this is a key aspect of being naive! Just not having to put up any pretence. It really is a lot better!! And this enabled me to have more fun with posting here too. I just post what seemed like a good idea to post, without trying to fit it into an overarching strategy or what-not. More like a, well this might work, let’s see what happens if I post this… after all if anything less than ‘ideal’ happens I can just correct it afterwards, adjust things for next time! So in short I’m having fun with it all :)) VINEETO: This is such an important clue for anyone wanting to increase their enjoyment and appreciation – that anything ‘I’ want to hide, both from myself and from others will impinge on having fun and continuing to enjoy and appreciate being alive. And naiveté is vital because it reveals the experiential fact that one is being likeable and liking one’s fellow human beings. This being likeable and liking will go hand-in-glove to being non-self-centric and thus magnanimous, generous, benevolent and beneficent.
The other significant discovery is finding out that you had indeed a “strategy” regarding your actions and behaviour, a subtle controlling plan, an “ideal”, when interacting with your fellow human beings. CLAUDIU: Vineeto wrote me an email with some great advice and it
reminded me of what Srinath wrote, that the final bit for him had to be something to come from his own
experience: “I thought that I needed a reason to die. Not a fake or artificial reason. I needed something
authentic that felt true to the core of my being. It would have to come from left-field.” Exactly that, not a “fake or artificial reason”, but “something authentic”! VINEETO: Indeed, altruism (as in “I needed a reason to die”) is not invoked
by concluding intellectually that ‘it would be a good thing for all’ or ‘global peace on earth would be nice’
– in the end it requires something one passionately feels “true to the core of my being”. For ‘Vineeto’
is was a deep desire to give Richard what he wanted most – a female manifestation of an actual freedom (link),
Kuba expressed it when he (re-)discovered his yearning to be innocence personified. For each person it will be something that is more important than anything they ever wanted in their life, so important that ‘I’ will give up ‘my’ very life, ‘my’ very existence, to allow it to happen. It is not at all intellectual or rational, it is existential. I like this description of Richard’s –
CLAUDIU: Maybe this is strange to say, but… I don’t know specifically what it is yet but I know I have one One that seems to come really close is a deep-down… really wanting to find out exactly what life is about. To be living that, the meaning of life, to actually get to the very heart of it and live that. VINEETO: I remember an incident when ‘Vineeto’ was about 16 and had her first crush/ incident of falling in love. ‘She’ sat outside the house on the soft grass and reflectively contemplated what was true love – ‘she’ wanted to know if what ‘she’ experienced was true love or something less. This quest developed into the search for ‘Truth’ which sent ‘her’ into ‘her’ spiritual search and, upon meeting Richard into the fascinated experiential and existential inquiry what is actual and how can I live in the actual world. CLAUDIU: I would say this stems from my generally curious nature, I
always get really absorbed into things I am interested in, learn all I can about it, get deep down to it until I really
understand it … this would be wonderful to do. I think when I write it like this it sounds like an intellectual or
thought-out reason (like “it would be nice”), but it is deeper than that, a burning desire to know … if
this isn’t the final reason, at least it is a way to get myself more aligned with the final goal :)) VINEETO: Good, “a burning desire to know” is an excellent start – now is there an equally “burning desire”, an impetus, other than for the benefit of yourself, to make it/ allow it to happen? JOSEF: But I do have the intent that I don’t ever want to feel
miserable again. That I want to be in a good mood each and every moment again. I’ve seen how beneficial it is for
myself and others when I am feeling good. But should I not start on this path unless I meet the strict definition of
having pure intent? (…) CLAUDIU: I don’t see why you couldn’t start to use the actualism method before having that clear connection. Feel good. When feeling good dips, use the tools, trace it back to when it happened, see why, etc. And this ensures more of a feeling good. And on it goes from there. This will at some point result in having a PCE or finding pure intent/ pure intent becoming apparent. And that’s when it can really take off from there. VINEETO: Josef seems to be mixing up two aspects of the actualism method – feeling good, i.e. enjoying and appreciating, and dismantling the social identity, specially its moral (good and bad) and ethical (right and wrong) principles designed to curb the instinctual passions. However, particularly given that he had a PCE in October 2022 CLAUDIU: I’m having difficulty putting it into words exactly what I mean. When you are guided by pure intent, you do end up unilaterally dismantling all the socializing and conditioning etc, via giving yourself permission to have it happen. VINEETO: As you would know from experience, “dismantling all the socializing and conditioning” doesn’t happen on its own just because ‘you’ give yourself permission. It happens when you look for whichever belief, strategy, principle, social control, etc. triggered a diminishment in feeling excellent and investigate it, understand it, apperceptively see it, and thus cause it to fall away. CLAUDIU: And it is a happy and harmless dismantling (both together).
I just don’t see how you can successfully do it without pure intent, though. Maybe I’d put it that you can start,
and make good headway, but you will always be limited until you do find pure intent, get a flavor of it, learn how to
allow it, etc. But the point isn’t that it’s a limitation per se, like you have to wait until it happens, but
rather something you can actively gear yourself towards, find that connection sooner rather than later! VINEETO: Yes, this is a good way to put it. Feeling being ‘Vineeto’ didn’t wait until she fully and in detail understood what the “actually occurring stream of benevolence and benignity” was – ‘she’ rememorated ‘her’ major PCE and read Richard’s writing with this basic experiential understanding in mind. ‘She’ also made a point to write in this rememorative flavour of the PCE. In fact, as you pointed out last year Here is how Devika described it in Richard’s Journal –
A bit further down in the Journal Devika, temporarily reappearing from having fallen in love, has
a conversation with Richard how she experiences intimacy with her fellow human beings. It is a fascinating
conversation, so I published it on the website here for everyone’s enjoyment and information.
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