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Vineeto’s Correspondence with Leila on Discuss Actualism Forum
ED: The obvious risk in translation is the potential for things to be watered down or inaccurately translated. LEILA: yes andI don’t know if I did a accurate or correct translations or not. knowing that actualism is not like a club where you want to have thousands of members. because it is easy to know about it, but it is not very easy to act and do the method. I don’t think no one would do the Farsi translations after this one, because it needs a lot of effort and dedications. So, she is just going to voice my translations. I thought about it, andI guess I will let her do it, because the more
people know about it, there is more chance for a few people who are really interested to do the method, and are
able and willing to do the method. VINEETO: Hi Leila, Upon reading your recent postI took the rather unusual step of subscribing to this forum for the purpose of asking you, as one fellow human being to another fellow human being, to stop proliferating your (by your own assessment) most likely inaccurate translation into Farsi from The Actual Freedom Trust website. To be more specific:I have only taken two key words from the Actual Freedom Trust website which are quite essential, and at the core of how an actual freedom differs from other ‘freedom’ messages, and ran them through the Google translator (for Persian, as Farsi is not on Google’s list at present) – actual and apperception – and then ran them back to English. Here are the results – * actual was translated back to “real, true, factual, genuine, veritable, lifelike and actual” As far as I know, many languages do not make a distinction, as the English language does, between actual and real, i.e. they have no separate word for it. And as you read further articles on The Actual Freedom Trust website, you will notice, especially by the many and varied mouse-hover tool-tips, how Richard is very careful and particular about using the exact and *accurate* word for his entirely new discovery in human history in order to convey exactly what he wants to convey. Here Richard explains why authenticity and accuracy are so important –
Despite both Claudiu’s warning
And here is the second issue – separating the actualism method from what an actual freedom is – and it can only be misleading if not detrimental for anyone following your lead –
While the ramifications of what you are doing may not be clear to you – Richard has foreseen it and spelt it out very clearly in the Directors Correspondence page about translating his words, part of which has already been brought to your attention –
A watered-down-and-bastardised Actualism (separating the actualism method from the actualism message) combined with a most likely inaccurate translation (for which you did not consult or even discuss with anyone, who has been demonstrably successful with the actualism method to the point of becoming actually free or out-from-control virtually free for instance) will do more harm than good. Just think about all or those who try and fail because of its bastardisation and will never look
at actualism as a possibility for peace and actual freedom again in their lives. Regards Vineeto
Hi Leila, LEILA: I did these translations, Richard 's article this moment of being alive, then I made a group with [my brother] and [my husband], he really liked it and told me to do more. then I started doing mostly Vineeto's writings … and then I thought these are good I made the group as a channel and made it public. 2 years ago, Srinath said I am doing a good work and I continued it. [Addendum]: I made a mistake to write this : “i don’t know if I did a
accurate or correct translations or not.” VINEETO: Regarding your above reply I do wonder if you understand more of the bigger picture. As I don’t speak the language only you can know how accurate your translation is, and you admitted yourself that “I don’t know if I did a accurate or correct translations or not”. Now you are retracting this admission saying it was due to your wish to “look humble” […] ”because from the past I knew people don’t like the translations and there was a lot of talks about it”. Let me unravel this statement – It reads that you did not examine what people said in regards to valid or invalid arguments about the translations, but because you wanted to have it your way you therefore made a humble statement to appease those people, which includes Richard’s comments as well, and followed Srinath’s encouragement because he was on ‘your’ side. If instead you would have been confident that the translations are entirely accurate as a matter of fact, there would have been no need to appease anyone, nor have anyone’s consent either because a fact stands for itself. I suggest, you have another good look at your translations – see if Richard, in the text I quoted, or myself, have any
reason for concern that it might cause harm by distorting or watering-down an actual
freedom, and then make the necessary corrections until you can stand by it 100% with all your sincerity, better even,
with pure intent operating – “the spaciousness that I experienced and
the overwhelming sweetness” That is what Richard meant when he said it is ”more matter of each and every would-be publisher/ provider *having the nous to realise, for themselves and by themselves, just how important, how vital, the accurate presentation of the actualism writings are*”. * As I am not in the position to make a judgement about your translation here are some tips how you yourself can assess them more accurately. As an example, which may have influenced your translation of the word “apperception”
– you wrote in June 2024
Obviously, this is only the first part of Richard’s quote, which does not encapsulate everything that apperception means in actualism writings. Apperception only happens in a PCE or when actually free. Viz:
And from the Abditorium
* What I do know, however, it that there is a vast difference between feeling caring and actual caring, hence my and Richard’s emphasis on aspects you might not have thought of before. First a description of actual caring –
I remember well when ‘Vineeto’ first realized, how ‘she’ had never actually cared, shortly before ‘she’ became actually free – “a caring which is as close to an actual caring as an identity can muster” inasmuch ‘she’ was sitting amongst a group of people, as one of many, wherein ‘her’ sole interest was that everyone present, including ‘herself’ as one of those present, enjoyed themselves and obtained the maximum benefit from their meeting due to an abeyance of the ‘doer’ and the ascendancy of the ‘beer’ (i.e., an out-from-control/ different-way-of-being virtual freedom).” As you can see, if you read the whole of the above correspondence, very soon this description “a caring which is as
close to an actual caring as an identity can muster” was attempted to be watered down with the term
“near-actual caring”, as is more explicitly detailed in the post following the above quoted, just as words
from Richard, describing the actual world had been subject to similar treatment such as apperception, (see here As a general observation over the years, feeling beings (and that includes feeling being ‘Vineeto’, do not like to be excluded from experiences that can only happen outside of the human condition, and they are on occasion prone to claim the experience whilst still holding on tightly to their precious. Just talking out of past experiences. Cheers Vineeto * PS: Btw, when you translated “Vineeto’s writings”, did you include the
at the very top of each page so that people are not mislead? Or did you only translate ‘actualvineeto’s’ writings? Are you giving references to the English originals so that people can find out for themselves
where it comes from, when it was written, and what the broader context is?
LEILA: Hi Veenito Yes I included that this has been written by feeling being Peter and feeling being Vineeto, from the start of the translations of the entire Peter's journal and Vineeto’s journal. and I did add all of the links that Srinath had provided in the simple actualism. from Peter’s library to Richard’s articles and etc. I know the difference between apperception and appreciation … apperception is the direct experience of actual world I have carefully translated each word. VINEETO: Thank you Leila, This is good to hear and I appreciate your prompt reply. Cheers Vineeto
LEILA: so much emotions I caused myself by those unnecessary actions and reactions 1 too much stress and anxiety attack and fear for these translations, I caused myself … paralysing myself, doing the unnecessary actions and reactions … removing all those subscribers from the channel … they can not come back now, they have to have a new phone number to participate …sadness has come … 2 these translations has become part of my identity When that women said she wants to voice them, I felt bad, as if a part of my identity I had to let go of seeing she had already down loaded all the translations, sharing a few without asking me in her Chanel l anger and fear came and I did again another unnecessary actions out of possessiveness, she defensively responded then sadness and anger came I went and write an apology to her for making her upset realizing how much “these emotions rule the human world” and making them upset 3I went to sleep with this sadness in my stomach, my jaw and my forehead 4 letting go of this possessiveness is now my another obstacle 5 the more I experience this actual world, the more I vitally become
fascinated in, and aim toward this goal, this sensate world, seeing the contrast more and more I have tears in my
eyes now, being able to see this obstacle, seeing this part of myself by that women and Vineeto, seeing this
barrier between me and the actual world VINEETO: Hi Leila, Stop, stand still. Let the dust settle. When you find yourself in a whirlpool of strong emotions like you describe above, first do whatever it takes to get back to feeling good. Don’t try to solve anything whilst your thoughts are all emotionally charged. Once you are back to feeling good you can begin to see the silliness of having this only moment of being alive – now – spoilt by feeling bad, whatever it is. Viz :
* Now you may better comprehend what I am going to say –
Once you understand this fully – experientially not just mentally – the solutions to your dilemma if there are any remaining will become clear. Kuba’s advice from two days ago is worth gold –
Addendum: LEILA: Thank you Vineeto. I forgot to reply to Kuba that I have stopped translating AFT website since one year ago. appreciate your help VINEETO: And as a final comment – Can you see that your “appreciate your help” has no meaning so far as you have yet to access the links of the experiential reports from Richard I have given you? Slow down, Leila, slow down. When you do, you might experience that there is all the time in the universe.
LEILA: My habitual reaction to when I read about “actualist gathering” is sorrow, Frank won’t be interested, and he does not let me go to this gathering either … Sadness always triggers anger, I channel it to anger: blaming Frank, then blaming myself … If I want to look at this desire with sincerity – wanting to meet with actualists and actually free people – well, I find a lot of things about myself: for example: • fear of going, maybe they all hate me – they might not like me because of poor English or
not having a social skills Vineeto would love him and so all the other females and males, they would be gathering around him as he talks so well I imagine myself sitting somewhere far from anyone, watching all of you talk to each other… I have already been defined by two actually free people as a “child” – not being grown up … it took me a lot of time to deal with shame … now it is not so powerful these days … VINEETO: Hi Leila, Welcome back. I appreciate you decided to want to “get back on track again”. Let me start by addressing your saying that you are “being defined” “as a child”: As far as I remember from your once available private conversation with Geoffrey, he did not “define”
you as a child but asked if you are a child because you published his video to all and sundry on the forum,
not considering that he had explicitly asked not to I don’t know if you refer to me as the second actually free person who “defined” you as a child because I do not recall ever doing so. Hence all of the above description is your own imagination, your creation, painting yourself as a helpless, unfairly charged victim of other people’s opinion when in fact the origin is your own imagination which depicts yourself this way, and as a consequence makes you talk and act the way you do. Perhaps in the past this was your instinctual survival way of getting by but it does you poor service now. Presently your self-created imagination – “sitting somewhere far from anyone” – is only asking for pity and sympathy in order to reaffirm your chosen representation of yourself. In short, if you want to be seen as a responsible considerate rational adult then you first need to change your image and representation of yourself – you are, after all, the only person you can change. When you talk and act like a responsible considerate rational adult, then others will respond accordingly. LEILA: Maybe writing here will help me get back on track again,
to pay constant affective awareness as to how I am experiencing this moment of being alive … VINEETO: Good. What you call “constant affective awareness” is a vipassana-like ‘awareness’ phrased differently. Just passively watching is not enough, else you would be happy now. In actualism method, genuine affective awareness requires the intent to be happy and harmless, and with that intent in place, recognizing when habitual behaviour or other affective obstacles are preventing you from enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive … and then doing something about it when that is not the case. Sincere recognition of these affective obstacles leads to changing yourself – either seeing how silly they are or, when they are persistent, investigating deeper which belief is holding sorrow and fear in place, and then letting go of it. Acknowledging that you are harming yourself by feeling bad and trying to manipulate others by blaming them for your fear and sorrow may give you an insight how you tick. Don’t get diverted by shame or blaming yourself that you are as you are – an instinctual being – because everyone is born with the same genetic disposition, and shame or blame will only cement ‘you’, the identity, in your current representation. It’s in your hands, and your hands alone to put your intent to be happy and harmless into action. This intent requires sincerity, courage and determination. Do you have the willingness to genuinely change yourself for more enjoyment and appreciation?
LEILA: Hi Vineeto hank you so much for your reply and so much help. I am afraid of being criticized (the reason why I did not write here, as if I was hiding somewhere behind the curtain not to be seen or exposed … it was more safe!) I have been denying this victim attitude, I was not seeing it until now, I feel silly, how silly and harmful it has been! so many times I resist feeling good because of this attitude … VINEETO: Hi Leila, It is also part of avoiding change to castigate yourself whenever you might recognize a silly
attitude you could change. Perhaps Richard’s Audio-taped Dialogues, when reading slowly and carefully can help you
being more sensible towards yourself and acting in the world, especially the one titled ‘Silly or Sensible’ LEILA: Now I think, whenever I felt uncomfortable or I was being judged specially by females, I was saying the things how I was a victim of this and that, so that I can control the situation, or I take the attention away from my faults and mistakes maybe? ! sometimes out of a habit I give unnecessary complements to females, out of fear I guess, so that they like me, but sometimes it has a reverse effect … It is funny when you say it is my own imagination, somebody tells me why you are acting like a child? and I imagine that they say “I am a child”! so much difference between the two! This victim attitude is the very reason I have kept the hurts from the past, I could not get free from them, continuing keeping myself in an imaginary prison along with other people in it! more reason not feeling good! VINEETO: Well, there is plenty of attraction to remain a victim. It is quite a lucrative attitude. All you have to do is feel miserable and vocalise it and there will always be some soft-hearted people to offer sympathy, help and support for the (apparently innocent) victim. It is so successful an attitude that it is very popular with thousands of people – how to whinge and complain, and achieve pity, sympathy and influence. If you can really see that, is there a willingness to give up this lucrative victim attitude – your hiding place – and try out something new and exciting, to wit, standing on your own two feet and taking responsibility for your life? LEILA: About intent: I don’t have intent, and when I ask myself: Do I have the willingness to genuinely change myself for more enjoyment and appreciation? the answer is not clear. it is like I say I want to, but I believe I can’t! Geoffrey also asked me “why not continue doing the method and feeling good?” I had no clear answer to reply and still I don’t … I don’t know how to have intent to put it into action?! You say “This intent requires sincerity, courage and determination” I don’t know which one I have?! but definitely I don’t have determination! VINEETO: Ah well. No intent, no courage, no determination. With the vital ingredients missing, no actualist can help you. Do you really want to be like this for the rest of your life? LEILA: And the courage part, I don’t exactly know what it is in actualism? Does it (the courage) mean taking responsibility for what I feel? Or the courage to know and change oneself? VINEETO: Both. LEILA: There are so many things I do wrong, I rarely do
“nipping in the bud”, so I don’t do the method moment to moment even though sometimes I acknowledge the
physical sign in my body my eyebrows or my forehead starts squeezing … VINEETO: You can only nip something in the bud if you understood that this feeling of being sorry for yourself is a silly way of ‘being’ to continue. You haven’t seen that yet. To change, you need to deeply see and soul-penetratingly understand, that being a perpetual victim is a waste of this precious moment of being alive, let alone the rest of your life, when you could enjoy and wonder and appreciate this very moment. Until you grasp this there is neither willingness, let alone courage or determination to change. Again for emphasis, it is in your hands and your hands alone.
LEILA: Thank you both for your replies Andrew and Vineeto, I am really seeing the silliness of my victim attitude, and I am willing to give it up … And
my sympathy for myself for example about the limited food I can have, or my ill health. I learned I can (disconnect) or disentangle myself emotionally as Richard said: “To feel terrible, emotionally, on top of the physical pain is simply silly when it is possible to disentangle oneself, emotionally, and still feel good about being alive, about being here. This is being sensible, is it not? To feel good, if not happy, all the time?” Because adding feeling sorry to my condition makes it worse, when instead I can feel good, by feeling bad I lose this opportunity to enjoy and do something exciting with my life! VINEETO: Hi Leila, Now that you came this far in your understanding, having understood the contents of the Article ‘Silly or Sensible’, you can actually put this “sensible” knowledge into practice and gain some confidence that you can “disentangle myself emotionally” before thinking further. LEILA: (…) P.S.: regarding insecurity, I read Felix had success in investigating “insecurity”. Is
there a link to read his investigation? VINEETO: Here is my first reply to Felix’s post “regarding insecurity” –
The other post from Felix about insecurity with my reply I found here
LEILA: Thank you Vineeto for providing the link for me. And also my deep appreciation for what you are doing in helping us. I have a question regarding Felix and Vineeto correspondent. What does “Splitting” oneself mean? And what is the difference between “splitting and dissociation”? VINEETO: By ‘splitting’ I mean when you have one aspect of your identity argue with another aspect of your identity, the same as what “internal conflict” means. It is a result of the perception of having feelings instead of the recognition that I am my feelings. LEILA: I understood that “dissociation” is for
example when one says “I have feelings”, instead of saying “I am my feelings” … VINEETO: In a way they are similar, dissociation however can be much more pronounced in one can be convinced that one is not angry, never angry, because one trained oneself that those feelings are not allowed. Splitting means you are aware of both sides of the internal argument as in ‘I am angry but I shouldn’t be’. LEILA: edit and adding: this is one example Felix wrote, but I don’t get it …
VINEETO: This is a great example of Felix becoming aware of previously dissociated, i.e.
suppressed, feelings such as being anxious. But instead of being a friend to himself he castigates himself for being
those feelings and thus compounds his anxiousness by being anxious about it. This results in an inner conflict. I am
pleased to say that after a longish period of punishing himself this way he finally was able to leave all that behind
and start feeling good In short, when you recognize an internal conflict/ argument with yourself, stop and acknowledge that you are your feelings and that the inner conflict is a distraction from the choice you have to be your feelings and thus have the choice to be feeling good instead.
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