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Vineeto’s Correspondence with Sonya on Discuss Actualism Forum
VINEETO: Ha, so much better that you started to think for yourself and experientially explore for yourself. SONYA: Yes, definitely. Of course I couldn’t grasp it before, I was just blindly trying to imitate Kuba. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Naturally you did that, after all you had to first discover, and then question, that you did
everything to stay “connected” to Kuba
Now, having discovered how delightful it is to stand on your own two feet and think for yourself, you might be more easily be able to experience intimacy with the fellow human being you share your life with. * VINEETO: Perhaps not being burdened by too many “lofty thoughts” and “psychic adumbrations” in the first place gives you an advantage so you can concentrate on the “profound feelings” whenever they get in the way of enjoyment and appreciation. SONYA: Hahah, Kuba likes to joke about how all that’s going on in my head are ponies and rainbows. VINEETO: Ha, to each their own. You follow what you determine is adult sensibility and
non-sophistication. Being foolish is the worst people can say about you when you play the game of naïvely playing
together and being happy and harmless rather than engage is useless and harmful power-battles – so you know
that you are not foolish. And the pioneer, which you are by living the third alternative, are bound not to rely on
the judgement of their peers who follow the tried and failed route. (see images As I wrote to Chrono the other day –
* VINEETO: Indeed, being kind to yourself, down-to-earth and unsophisticated you can do one step at a time and with each success you become more confident that living as happy and harmless as possible is doable and fruitful – and what is more, you keep on enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive while doing it. SONYA: Yes, this is really helpful to keep in mind. I
appreciate how as a younger woman it is easier or more socially acceptable to be this way. However, I am intrigued
sometimes when I get called “simple minded” because I’m happy at work or appreciating the vibrant green
of my iced matcha latte. Yet, everyone benefits from me choosing to be this way. Being happy and harmless seems
to not mix well with being a “mature adult”. I’m starting to see how being sophisticated is not in line
with enjoy and appreciating. It definitely gives off an exclusive vibe, unattainable, separate. VINEETO: Yes, it is the old ‘us’ vs ‘them’, and you are apparently in the minority because not many people dare to be naïve. It is your choice how you want to live your life, you reap the benefits and, as you observed, others benefit too from your felicitous and innocuous infectious vibes. SONYA: Just to add, it also doesn’t mean that I am to be like
an immature child either. I always liked the phrase “childlike wonder… with adult sensibilities”. VINEETO: It is indeed very helpful to keep, and develop, your “adult sensibilities” together with the “childlike wonder”. Even in the often vicious battle of survival both amongst animals and humans, it is not the strongest which survives but the ‘fittest’.
And here is a longer explication of the same topic with listing all the various thought-processes an intelligent human can make use of –
Enjoy your childlike wonder with adult sensibilities.
SONYA: So, a while ago I wrote about feeling connected in the nurturing sense. I noticed I had the tendency to relate to people in a nurturing way. I have been noticing lately when I begin to do that and to nip it in the bud. I notice the good feelings come up, and the difference between a preference and a good feeling. For example, my brother in law often comes back to our house for a week every 2 weeks or so. I noticed he tends not to have much time to cook himself dinner so I thought it would make more sense for him to join in on our dinners whenever he’d like. There was no nurturing feelings come up from this, it was a clean offer in which he could accept or decline as he pleases. There is no involvement from ‘me’ looking for the good feelings from nurture and on the opposite no bad feelings if he decides to decline my offer. So this has been some nice progress. What I seem to still be stuck on, and this became startling clear last night, is that I am still feeling connected to Kuba in some other way. I am so easily and greatly effected by his vibe towards me. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, You start by saying you feel connected but what this ‘connection’ is comprised of that you want his approval – and when his mood/ vibes indicate he does not approve of you in certain situations, you are not feeling good. This quote from Richard might be informative –
In other words, the identity, being a contingent ‘being’, dependant on the confirmation of others to confirm ‘your’ existence is seeking this confirmation primarily from your live-in partner and therefore how you feel is dependent on this (positive) confirmation. As such you can nip in the bud the relating to people in a nurturing way but unless you understand the pattern of your dependency you only shift the process of being acknowledged/ confirmed from one person to the other. Nipping in the bud only works when you have already understood the underlying cause in each situation, in this case dependency. Here is something ‘Vineeto’ wrote about gaining more and more autonomy –
The whole section is worth reading. And another piece about autonomy instead of ‘being authentic’ –
SONYA: I think it’s still the authority. I still relate to
him in that sense and I have become entirely sick of it. How have I given up my own autonomy so easily to someone who
is also another feeling being capable of being angry, lashing out etc. and not expecting him to do so? I see that I
have put my life in his hands (whether he wanted it or not) trusting and expecting him to be gentle and kind 24/7.
How unfair and how silly. As I am writing this it’s becoming more clear why I am so effected by his vibe towards
me, I put how I am feeling into his hands, completely at his mercy to do with as he pleases. I have not taken control
of my own life in that sense so when he does lash out I feel utterly helpless and it feels like the rug is ripped out
from under my feet and I there is no continuing. All very dramatic and world ending. Maybe it won’t be so intense
and all consuming if I didn’t put my life in his hands.
VINEETO: Well, you don’t have much choice – about 99.9% of human beings are feeling
beings with exactly the same predicament, including yourself. To blame the other never ever solves the problem, it
only compounds it. Now that you noticed and acknowledged that you put your life and happiness in his hands (which is
what love does), you can take your life into your own hands and be fully responsible for your own happiness and
harmlessness, whatever the circumstances. That’s what actualism means, dedicate your life to be happy and harmless,
eventually unconditionally so. And that is what you both set out to do at the start of your acquaintance, live
together in peace and harmony, each cleaning themselves up to be able to do that. The latest spat between you and
Kuba (here How about eradicating full-blown anger as Richard described here SONYA: [Addendum]: It’s scary for me to contemplate doing
this as it means severing our ‘relationship’. Of course, logically I can see the benefits and sense in it but to
actually see it, want it completely 100%, and do it is a different action. VINEETO: I am not sure what you mean by “severing our ‘relationship’” – the way you phrased it sounds rather radical as in moving out, born of frustration. What you ideally want to do it change the way you are relating from a dependant, love-based possessive-demanding relating to a more naïve intimacy-based relating – from fellow human being to fellow human being, who both basically share the same aim – to live together in peace and harmony, and revel in the delights of enjoying each other’s company and shared intimacy.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, Thanks for your reply, things have settled down and we have managed to enjoy our weekend with my friend staying over. Now that the dust has settled, I’m starting to see things a little clearer without the cloud of frustration/ anger/ sadness. This has given me quite a bit to think about. I look forward to exploring what’s going on. I can tell there is definitely an element of an unsure little girl hiding behind his legs, waiting for approval, checking with him to ensure everything is safe. Of course, if he gets upset with me, I feel “told off”, to the point of in a heated moment, “sticking to my guns” to blame him for my upset. In the moment I needed him to acknowledge the hurt so I feel safe to go back hiding behind him again. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Good. Now that you see it a bit clearer, can you understand that someone has to stop the tit-for-tat blame-game if you both want to live in peace and harmony? And because the only person you can change is yourself – the buck can stop with you, if you choose to. So instead of aiming your actions “to acknowledge the hurt so I feel safe to go back hiding behind him again” you have the choice “in a heated moment” to unilaterally keep your hands in your pocket, sit quietly until you cooled off and feel good again. It may seem scary at first but if you succeed not to suppress or express your “frustration/ anger/ sadness” in that “heated moment” you will experience your own autonomy coming to the fore. Doing this you get to experience the confidence that you can indeed deal with your emotions in a constructive and harmless way. And if you succeed once, you know you can do it next time as well. And what a joy when you dealt with your emotions to then share your success and your insights with him. * VINEETO: I am not sure what you mean by “severing our ‘relationship’” – the way you phrased it sounds rather radical as in moving out, born of frustration. What you ideally want to do is change the way you are relating from a dependant, love-based possessive-demanding relating to a more naïve intimacy-based relating – from fellow human being to fellow human being, who both basically share the same aim – to live together in peace and harmony, and revel in the delights of enjoying each other’s company and shared intimacy. SONYA: Yes, I can see why that sounds rather radical. I admit I was still feeling rather raw whilst writing this. I more so meant the “relationship” I have in my head, the one that doesn’t actually exist but I feel it to be real. The relationship in which I have decided my partner’s role is a provider/ protecter or can very quickly switch to aggressor/ villein. I hope that is a bit more clear. I’d very much like to end that and meet the actual Kuba. VINEETO: This is certainly more clear, and again, the onus is on you to change this kind of relationship, unilaterally. After all, as you said “the one that doesn’t actually exist but I feel it to be real” and therefore you can choose to aim for a different kind of relationship. You can, gradually, stand on your own two feet, don’t expect to be protected and provided for and can relate with your partner in a more amicable basis. I remember we talked about a feeling being is a “persona” –
You had said in reply –
VINEETO: Well, you obviously decided that you no longer like being this chosen persona because you found it counterproductive. With this realisation you can now begin to explore and dismantle all the different aspects of what this ‘persona’ of Sonya consists of, in your own good time, and abandon whatever aspect you no longer find conducive to living in peace and harmony. Some aspects can be abandoned right away, others will need some insightful contemplation and courage to put into action. You will be surprised, that in the end all layers of one’s social identity, and expressions of the instinctual passions, are standing in the way of peace and harmony and thus enjoying and appreciating being alive. The more sincere (less of a persona) you become the better the chance to “meet the actual Kuba”.
SONYA: Just been slowly reading this over and over again as each time something clicks but it’s interesting how it’s all slowly revealing itself. VINEETO: Don’t be discouraged by the slowness of things becoming more clear. Actual freedom is radical, it’s neither taught in school are at home, it entirely new. And it is very helpful to read over a piece of writing several times, so that your consciousness (your brain in action) can digest the various ramifications of what is being written. SONYA: For the past 5 or so years I have been ignoring that I have in fact been in love, not to the “normal” extent as it hasn’t been nurtured but I have nevertheless allowed myself to fall in love. I’ve always known that of course there was loving feelings there but I was never able to admit to myself that I have fallen in love and dismissing it as “loving feelings” which didn’t need to be looked at. I’ve fully become entangled in it. The aim was never to fall in love but I seem to have ended up here anyways. I can begin to see it now, the authority, dependency, nurturing. It’s all because I have fallen in love. VINEETO: This is an excellent discovery and good news – to finally have the appropriate label for the conglomerate of feelings (good and bad feelings) that you experienced “for the past 5 or so years”. It is easy, especially when familiar with actualism writings to kid oneself that one is forewarned and forearmed. And yet love itself is a strong instinctual and social conditioning that because of being forewarned love can easily go unnoticed. In that case only rigorous sincerity will bring it out in the open. Usually the negative side-effects of love such as possessiveness and jealousy, wanting to change the other according to one’s own image and similar domineering feelings and behaviour finally give it away. SONYA: I mean, of course merely saying I don’t want to be in
love or logical not seeing the sense in it is not enough and actually experiencing it myself, looking at it,
exploring it and actually knowing fully to my bones that I don’t want it never happened. I never found out
experientially that this is not the path I want to go down. It feels like a weight lifting off my shoulders finally
realising and admitting this, it explains the intense bad feelings (the other side of love) whenever the good
feelings of love weren’t reciprocated. I’ve been repressing, ignoring, brushing it under the rug all this time. VINEETO: This is a great description of what being in love entails and already knowing this much about yourself will help you to extricate yourself from the trap of love. I guess you won’t get much support from your girlfriends in this endeavour! You are to entirely rely on your own determination and experiential expertise in this exciting adventure. However, you are not on your own –
I wish you all the success and fun for this great adventure.
VINEETO: Good. Now that you see it a bit clearer, can you understand that someone has to stop the tit-for-tat blame-game if you both want to live in peace and harmony? And because the only person you can change is yourself – the buck can stop with you, if you choose to. SONYA: Yes, I actually noticed when I began to blame the other day. It was actually the time that Kuba wrote about when the drink was accidentally knocked over the back of the sofa. He went to blame and I went to blame right back. I quickly noticed there was the anxiety and fear of punishment that was bubbling up which propelled me to retaliate. When I noticed I was doing the tit for tat blame game again I shut-up and consciously decided to stop right then and there. I saw there was no point, and that actually there was no punishment that was coming so why am I continuing on this game? There was still tension as we both did still start the game but it dissipated quickly, luckily for my friend who was sat in the room with us and got slightly caught in the cross fire. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Ah, you understood the gist of the blaming game, and already put into action to stop it. It won’t take long to extinguish this unhealthy (silly) habit when you keep paying attention to how you feel. * VINEETO: This is certainly more clear, and again, the onus is on you to change this kind of relationship, unilaterally. After all, as you said “the one that doesn’t actually exist but I feel it to be real” and therefore you can choose to aim for a different kind of relationship. You can, gradually, stand on your own two feet, don’t expect to be protected and provided for and can relate with your partner in a more amicable basis. SONYA: Over the past two days there has been an excitement and anxiety as I’ve been contemplating actually standing on my own two feet. I feel as if I have stepped away from hiding behind Kuba but not quite yet taken the step further to stand entirely on my own two feet. Almost like I’m staying very close, just in case I need to dart back to the “safety”. VINEETO: This is a big change and you can be patient with yourself. Each time you notice you are ‘hiding’ you consider if it’s worthwhile to step out into the open instead. The more often you do it the more confidence you gain. It’s fun, and the thrill of doing something daring adds to the adventure. * VINEETO: This is an excellent discovery and good news – to finally have the appropriate label for the conglomerate of feelings (good and bad feelings) that you experienced “for the past 5 or so years”. It is easy, especially when familiar with actualism writings to kid oneself that one is forewarned and forearmed. And yet love itself is a strong instinctual and social conditioning that because of being forewarned love can easily go unnoticed. In that case only rigorous sincerity will bring it out in the open. Usually the negative side-effects of love such as possessiveness and jealousy, wanting to change the other according to one’s own image and similar domineering feelings and behaviour finally give it away. SONYA: I’ve been starting to notice and pick up on the loving
feelings that come up. Noticing the good feelings of love have been quite eye-opening and being able to pick up on
the behaviour I display to chase those good feelings. This has also led me to notice the bad feelings that come into
play very quickly when the good feelings aren’t nurtured. Yesterday, Kuba said jokingly “why are you so far
away from me, you don’t like me anymore”. Although he was joking, I immediately felt responsible for making
him feel better, I felt the urge to immediately go comfort him and prove to him that of course I still like him so I
felt secure again and resentment then followed quickly. Funny how I’ve been blind to it for so long. VINEETO: Well, Sonya, you have discovered three big aspects of your ‘persona’, which have the potential to now make your life more felicitous and innocuous. Isn’t it amazing how simply paying attention to how you experience life with intent uncover the secrets preventing you from enjoying and appreciating being here produce so many excellent results? I am looking forward to more reports of your success.
SONYA: Everything has been pretty steady lately, I’ve
started to notice a few aspects in my life and interactions where love has crept in. For example, Kuba has been
enjoying playing his video game, during the week I would come home and notice a feeling of disappointment come up to
see him absorbed in his game. I noticed that what I was wanting after coming home, was to get the good feelings of a
loving connection from him after not seeing him all day, and of course as soon as that wasn’t received it evolved
to the bad feeling. Well, rather then mope about, I decided that I can, in fact, have a great time doing something
that I wanted to do rather than wait around to receive some loving feelings, which would ultimately end in
disappointment. So, I decided to go give Poncho a bath instead (visual reference below) VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Are you aware that you have just transferred those “loving good feelings” to your dog who was at the time more receptive than Kuba? I am sure you will work out over time how you can relate in a more naïve intimacy-based relating – from fellow human being to fellow human being, who both basically share the same aim – to live together in peace and harmony, and revel in the delights of enjoying each other’s company and shared intimacy – once he takes a break from his game, that is. SONYA: I used to always say that I looked forward to coming
home from work and seeing Kuba, I now realise that what I was looking forward to was to receive the loving good feelings. VINEETO: A good observation, and it’s worthwhile to more and more replace that expectation “to receive the loving good feelings” with autonomy, which enables a non-possessive intimate relating and appreciation – togetherness and closeness, without expectation or blame, simply enjoying and appreciating as intimately as possible, a fellow human being’s company.
SONYA: The weather has finally taken a turn for the better in the UK and I’m really enjoying my commute to work and home. I’ve been playing a little game with myself in the car on how much I can amp up enjoying and appreciating the
journey. The
upside of this game is that I arrive to my work happy, light, enjoying catching up with my colleagues, but from there
I will go back and forth between feeling “normal”, bad, or enjoying and appreciating. On the way home I
find myself just simply happy to be here, not necessarily looking forward to seeing Kuba or Poncho although it is a
plus that they are there, but I am enjoying life either way. There is no downside. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, This is good news indeed. I noticed you said that “the weather has finally taken a turn for the better” – does this mean you couldn’t enjoy the rain as well? It can be so cozy sitting in the dry, with the sound of the rain pounding on the roof or gently watering the land, washing everything clean, feeding the vegetation and giving it all an additional sparkle when the sun peeks through. Why should only sunny days provide reason for enjoyment and appreciation? The other question which arose from reading your report – when you say you “go back and forth between feeling “normal”, bad, or enjoying and appreciating”. What is it that triggers your feeling good dipping into “normal”, let alone “bad”. When you are back to feeling good, is there a way for you to go back to the event and identify the trigger and investigate the cause so that it won’t happen again next time? Something like this for instance –
Just a thought so that you are not at the whim of your emotions but can eliminate the triggers for a dipping in your good mood once and for all. Some triggers may require a bit of contemplation – are they just a habit, or is the a dearly-held concept of belief, or a special pet-peeve for feeling annoyed? Once you get the hang of it is fun to solve those puzzles, with the reward is that these triggers won’t stir you up anymore.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, I do enjoy the rain sometimes. Mostly when I’m inside but definitely not when the cold wind is blowing and my umbrella is being turned inside out or when I’m driving on the motorway . Although, I very much used to enjoy the monsoon storms when I was younger in Malaysia. My favourite weather is straight after it has finished raining in the spring, I find everything has this extra richness and the smell of wet earth to be captivating. I enjoy both rain and sunshine but do have a preference. I think I was just getting excited about the evidence of summer coming through to the UK after a long couple months of constant rain. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, That is good to hear, especially when you say “everything has this extra richness and the smell of wet earth to be captivating”. * VINEETO: The other question which arose from reading your report – when you say you “go back and forth between feeling “normal”, bad, or enjoying and appreciating”. What is it that triggers your feeling good dipping into “normal”, let alone “bad”. When you are back to feeling good, is there a way for you to go back to the event and identify the trigger and investigate the cause so that it won’t happen again next time? SONYA: Yes, I am definitely aware of what triggers my feeling
good into “normal” or “bad”. It is always the exact same thing at work, which I have been noting
each time and I have been progressively been able to get back to feeling good quicker and quicker when noticing that
I’m not feeling good anymore. I have yet to nip it in the bud so it doesn’t happen again. I find that I struggle
when investigating to get past a certain point, I can often find what the belief is that is preventing me from
feeling good but to get further than that to nip in the bud is where I fail. VINEETO: I wonder if you missed something in the actualism method. You see, being aware of your feelings is not enough, and sometimes something cannot be just nipped in the bud – it is keeps coming back again and again, which indicates that it is too complex. It may be that you need to look for a belief or a moral/ethical concept, a pattern of emotional reactions to understand first, before you can conclude what it is and then make the decision that it’s not worth keeping it. There could be things like pride, competition, wanting it your way or rebellion against the other wanting it their way. Sometimes there is a ‘good’ feeling connected with it that needs uprooting as well. Saying you are “aware of what triggers my feeling good into ‘normal’ or ‘bad’” you have a good start to dig deeper into this stumbling block. Here is something feeling being ‘Vineeto’ wrote about it –
There is more in ‘Vineeto’s’ reporting about how ‘she’ used the actualism method here
SONYA: Thanks Vineeto, I think you’re right. I only seem to
go so far as observing the feeling and the reason why it keeps coming back up is because I need to dig deeper. When I
think about it, in the past when I’ve tried to there’s been a resistance, almost like a mental block which I can’t
seem to get past so I’d kinda poke around it for a little while and then leave it. I probably need to be more
persistent and stubborn with myself that I will get to the bottom of it! I’ll have a go at it VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Ah, I remember the “mental block” from ‘Vineeto’s explorations. You probably found out that there is some kind of a fear causing it. And because it’s a block, you can’t break it with gusto, it would only grow harder. So you gently, like a friend, chip at it, enquire into it, each time a little further, until it reveals what is hiding behind. Kuba’s suggestion (link) of being fascinated will help you too – like a puzzle you can’t leave alone, a personal mystery you want to solve, for your own benefit. And suddenly there it is – ah, that’s what it was … and then you might say, ‘I wonder why I made such a fuss about it?’ As I said, it is a fun game – very sincere and personal – but not serious.
KUBA: there she was in all her glory, JESUSCARLOS: “gone red” is an innocuous and felicitous
feeling or something to be investigated? SONYA: Hi Jesus, hmmm, I’m not too sure. I don’t think so? Or at least I don’t currently see any kind of issue glaring at me. In fact, it’s kinda a lil joke at home, we had a lil giggle of a comment Kuba made a while ago where he stated I looked like a “maggot”. (I was wrapped up in a white duvet), not in any kind of malice of course. But he saw me all wrapped up in the blanket on the couch a couple days ago and said “in all my maggot glory”. I think the ‘gone red’ was a the initial reaction of oops I’m at work reading
this mixed with a realisation that I am being “seen” in that moment like a “naked” feeling
but not in either “good” or “bad” way that I can pin point at the moment. KUBA: The “gone red” in this instance is naiveté
knocking at the door, and that is a wonderful thing! VINEETO: Hi Sonya, It is indeed a “wonderful thing” deserving your unreserved appreciation. I just read some of Richard’s correspondence which you might enjoy (especially when safely reading at home) and perceive as further encouragement –
It can only get bester.
SONYA: Hi Vineeto, Thanks for attaching Richard’s correspondence. It’s one of my favourites to read and have visited it quite a few times. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, I am delighted to hear it’s one of your favourites of Richard’s quotes. Sexual congress is the best way to explore intimacy, especially when the interest lies more with intimacy than anything else. But intimacy can be experienced at any time with another human being depending on your willingness be as intimate and sincere as possible and being aware when ‘self’-preservation is about to interrupt/ prevent the intimate being together. In this (and the follow-up) correspondence Richard talks about possible reasons for one or the other partner to pull back/ shut off –
SONYA: It comes at quite a convenient time as I feel I have lost this naiveté lately. Without going too much into detail, I recently had a colposcopy which involved 2 cervical biopsies. There’s a complicated mix of feelings going on at the moment which don’t allow for any kind of sexual intimacy from me. VINEETO: Mmh, the fact that you had “a colposcopy which involved 2 cervical biopsies” does in itself not need to interfere with naiveté, except when it’s accompanied by worry or similar feelings. It’s often the imagination, what could be wrong or what could happen, which suddenly makes life serious again … until you recognize with confidence and can acknowledge that all worries about future events are a waste of valuable time in which you could enjoy and appreciate life. Once you have definite results and facts from your tests then you can decide on the most sensible action without worry. Wouldn’t it be the best way to be kind to yourself, to untangle the “complicated mix of feelings”, get back to feeling good, better and even excellent and enjoy the intimacy which is possible at this point? The challenge of feeling good come what may is, whatever the physical/ practical situation, to recognize that it is not worthy as a justification of feeling less than good. You have overcome other challenges to feeling good, why not this one too? SONYA: It’s nice to read Richard’s correspondence right now. VINEETO: Here is another quote you might enjoy –
Best wishes for success in regaining your naiveté.
SONYA: Thanks for your reply, it’s valuable to be reminded that intimacy can be experienced at any time with another human being. I am feeling better today. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, It’s good to hear you are feeling better today and also that you are aware that intimacy can be experienced at any time once one chooses to allow it/ have it happen. Thank you for your detailed descriptive report. SONYA: I’m terms of the mix of complicated feelings to do with the cervical biopsy, it wasn’t the possibility of the results that was worrying me and bringing up bad feelings. Interestingly, that was what Kuba assumed as well. I’m actually not so worried about the results at all really, it was more the overwhelming feeling of being violated during the colposcopy that has sent my head spinning. My heart dropped when I walked into the room and realised a male doctor would be carrying out my procedure (not that it should really matter). Although logically I know everyone was there to look out for my health and wellbeing and it is in fact a wonderful thing that this care exists. I felt scared and violated through out the whole thing and on the verge of tears, when he stated he needed to take two biopsies the floodgates open and I was in ultimate panic mode. I was scared of the pain and the thought of the thought of the punch cervical biopsy forceps taking chunks of my cervix was very raw and I felt viscerally. My instinctual reaction was that a man was hurting me in my most intimate inner protected part. When it actually happened the pain wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be and overall it was a
very uncomfortable and painful experience. I know it wouldn’t have been so bad if I didn’t feel the way I did. I
had a conversation with Kuba afterwards and the more I talk about it the more It’s becoming clear that a situation
that is actually quite a wonderful thing to be able to have access to, was muddled up by intense instinctual feelings
and I’m feeling less and less bad about it as the days go by but there’s definitely still moments of feeling
violated which pop up time to time. VINEETO: I can understand the feeling of “being violated during the colposcopy”. When feeling being ‘Vineeto’ was about 23 years old, she had to have a retina operation where laser beams were used (if my memory is correct about 60 hits per eye) to fix the retina peeling off along its edges. The procedure needed to be done with only local anaesthetic, and for ‘Vineeto’ it was not only scary but intensely felt as an intrusion into one of ‘her’ most private and cherished organs (such as the expression “eyes are the windows to the soul” indicates). Additionally, there was a group of students assembled around the bed for learning purposes, and the doctors themselves, forgetting that I was conscious, didn’t hold back with comments such as “shit I missed” and the like. In all, it was quite an (emotionally felt) depersonalising experience. In hindsight it is rather amusing and I am very pleased and appreciative that the anomaly was discovered and permanently fixed. Nevertheless, you are probably also aware that it is ‘me’, having arrogated full possession and control of your flesh-and-blood body almost all the time, who is generating those feelings of fear and intrusion. As you afterwards discovered “the pain wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be”. The more you become aware of the originally “muddled-up” feelings in hindsight and can see the silliness of having and feeding them, the quicker those “still moments of feeling violated” can be recognized for what they are – you own social conditioning and ‘self’-preservation objecting to a modern, most likely helpful, possibly necessary, medical procedure, despite having agreed to have it happen in the first place. Such exploration and hindsight will also stand you in good stead for other occasions where you agree to something that needs to be done (whatever it is) and can then explore beforehand whatever objection to it happening or how it should be happening you still have. The more you become aware of which feelings may be lurking in the background, the better you are prepared for situations and interfere less with the appreciation of “actually quite a wonderful thing”.
SONYA: So, I’d like to report that after months of head banging on the same wall about a situation at work. I’ve finally just decided to stop the nonsense. I noticed that each time I was getting upset there was a point where I choose to go down this path, backed up by whatever morals or beliefs. I finally decided to stop when the situation came to a point where it was clear that I had the choice to remain feeling bad or punish the person for having ‘wronged me’, or see the situation as it is and see there is no reason, no point, no advantage to choose to feel bad about this. I gave myself a time limit to choose whichever path to go to as I had to spend a full day travelling to London and attending events with this person the next day. I was given the option not to go but I decided to put my money where my mouth is, choose to go and choose to let go of this feeling bad that I was so bent on keeping alive. I’m glad to say it was easier than I thought and less of a choice, rather a “this makes more sense”, I guess with enough running into the same dead end I actually became sick of feeling this way. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, What a great story and a good lesson to yourself that whenever you are holding onto a grudge out of taking offence (righteous indignation) you primarily hurt yourself (by feeling bad), apart from affecting the atmosphere of those around you. In a bigger context it can be an eye-opener how a strong sense of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ is afflicting your interactions and that it “makes more sense” to emotionally accept what maybe intellectually unacceptable. It is particularly delightful that you could see how easy it was to dissolve once you determined that enough is enough – nothing else was needed. You may find this informative –
SONYA: We ended up having a lovely day in London and we are back at work with nicer vibes in the office. From the outside it looks like I’ve ‘forgiven’ but it’s more like I would much rather spend my time being happy and harmless as much as I can whilst I’m alive rather than waste it feeling bad or making someone else feel bad. Just being reminded that we are all living life for the first/ only time and what a waste it is to remain feeling bad. It kind of put into perspective that feeling bad does nothing ‘good’ at all. VINEETO: Ha, you are so right, “feeling bad does nothing ‘good’ at all”. And the outcome of you deciding to be sensible (at last, after much suffering) was having had “a lovely day” and “nicer vibes in the office”. Instant confirmation that you made a thoroughly sensible decision. It’s fortunate you haven’t used forgiveness to resolve the situation. You may have read the audio-taped dialogue how “Compassion Gained Through Forgiveness Binds” –
SONYA: Hopefully it won’t take months next time. VINEETO: The way to avoid wasting more time this way by feeling bad is to learn not to take offence in the first place. It takes a bit of affective awareness working out what belief or principle or attitude it is causing you to take umbrage at what someone says or does, and then recognize that each of those beliefs/ principles is not worth sacrificing feeling good, no matter how just or virtuous they are. Besides, the only person you can, and need to change is yourself.
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