(List D refers to Richard’s List D Vineeto’s Correspondence with Kuba on Discuss Actualism Forum KUBA: But what that teenage boy called Kuba wanted back then is what I can live now, that just as the jumps jumped themselves, life lives itself, and just like ‘I’ would get out of the way just before a big jump being done ‘I’ can get out of the way and allow this moment to happen of it’s own accord. I can see that the whole thrust of the conditioning that one is subjected to during their acculturation demands the opposite of one, that ‘I’ learn to be proud (and humble), that ‘I’ learn to take responsibility and obligation, that ‘I’ learn to attempt to fit life into ‘my’ schemes and plans, that ‘I’ learn to “worry about the future” etc. Whereas this direction of life living itself, to contemplate proceeding there it requires naiveté, it is 180 degrees opposite. It is seeing that ‘I’ am not required at all, whereas in the ‘real world’ to consider such a thing is seen as utter foolishness, it is a dog eat dog world out there after all. Where life lives itself there is no longer any possibility for obligation or responsibility, then 'I’ am freed from this task of living 'my’ life. Just like ‘Richard’ could not take credit for the art which painted itself 'I’ can neither be proud nor humble where life lives itself, which means 'I’ can finally rest from the task of maintaining 'myself’ and 'my’ life. That’s not such a big ask is it, to finally have a rest from all that. What I observe in ‘myself’ is that each time ‘I’ dare to proceed in this direction, of ‘my’ progressive retirement and eventually ‘my’ complete departure is that both the ‘human wisdom’ and ‘my’ instinctual nature will initially resist this. From the eyes of ‘human wisdom’ it seems utterly foolish and from the eyes of ‘my’ passionate instinctual nature it feels dangerous. Yet looking back each time ‘I’ dared to release the controls and to step back a little more things only got better, and things have only been getting better, in every way going. ![]() VINEETO: Hi Kuba, You are correct – looking at it sensibly/ apperceptively it is “not such a big ask is it, to finally have a rest from all that.” It is to stop doing what you have been told to do throughout your life – ‘doing it their way’ – and allow ‘doing’ what it happening of its own accord – ‘doing it your way’.
It looks like you get well used to and immensely enjoy now doing it your way, step by step. KUBA: So last week I managed to resolve the question ‘I’ had around allowing excellence, yesterday something clicked with regards to expecting excellence from others. This was also a long standing habit of mine and the main reason I would get sour these days. (…) It clicked then that what I have been missing all along is this basic fact, which is that (whether one sees it or not) one is free to live their life as sensibly or foolishly as one wants. The universe does not force one to be happy and harmless and to live sensibly, if one wishes to bang their head against a wall repeatedly then so be it. What I can see is that I was still carrying some kind of obligation which I was projecting onto others, that they must live sensibly, probably because their foolish actions have an effect on me. But in demanding others to be different I am forgetting the fact that they are fellow human beings. And it is all rather simple when this is seen, because each individual is left standing on their own two feet, living their life. Then I am not obligated but neither am I expecting things from others. Of course excellence can still flow but without expectation and obligation there is no attempt to change the other, which always fails anyways. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Well said. Recognising the fact that others are fellow human beings is closely linked to being naïve, where you like yourself and like others. As such feeling excellent puts you in the perfect disposition to have no expectations/ no disappointment regarding what others do or not do and equally does away with any feeling of obligation/ responsibility and/or guilt/ shame regarding what you do. KUBA: I am reminded of Richard’s journal where he explored the
“social contract” which everyone is apparently signing by being born into a society. Where I am proceeding
now there is no contract either way. How fascinating that it is possible to live in peace and harmony where there is
no contract, no blueprint, no obligation or responsibility. It seems this is only possible in a virtual freedom or
actual freedom so for now the law, courts, police, army etc are still required. But I do not have to wait for society
to change before I unilaterally exit this ‘contract’ or rather realise that the ‘contract’ was never actual. VINEETO: The ‘social contract’ locks you inside of ‘humanity’ with its wide-ranging consequences, whereas when you recognize/ realise that such ‘contract’ does not exist in actuality, your actual parameters are felicity and benevolence, purity and magnanimity, naiveté and ingenuousness – or, in other words amorality. Then you act according to the facts and pure intent in each situation and your life becomes a playful and very liberating adventure.
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KUBA: So earlier I was wondering how is it that it’s possible to live in peace and harmony without all that ‘tried and true’ stuff, what happens when morality is removed, when there is no contract, blueprint, belief, value etc to guide one’s actions. Essentially it is that “leaf blowing in the wind” furphy, and this has now been obliterated! I especially like this word amorality, this is exactly it. In ‘my’ case it is amorality sourced in / facilitated by naiveté. For some reason this has brought up a memory of that writing where you described how you experience yourself:
This is also amorality, this time it is part and parcel of actual innocence. But this amorality is not empty, it is not a “leaf blowing in the wind” etc. There is something wonderful that is at the basis of one’s actions / inclinations when actually free. I can see now that it is completely safe to eliminate the lot of ‘human wisdom’, that not even a shred of that stuff is required. Wow I am still blown away by this seeing haha! And the problem with any morality is that it gets in the way of freely enjoying and appreciating
what one is. So I can see now that proceeding in this direction where I am going there is no need at all for morality,
and it is this absence of any ‘human’ construct which allows enjoyment and appreciation without any cap, or any
kind of restricting influence. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, They are great insights and you managed to gain some more information how life in the actual world would look like from ‘my’ perspective (if pure intent was operating). I compared it once to a game of chess in a message to Roy on May 1 this year –
Having followed your process for a while now, seemingly getting closer to becoming free but never quite, I am reminded more of a poker game where ‘I’ prestidigitatiously manifest one card after another to keep ‘my’ game going. You twigged to it yourself in the next message. However, no matter how many times each particular objection gets invalidated the ultimate objection (that ‘I’ don’t want to go extinct) still remains intact. What do you reckon? KUBA: What has come to my attention recently is this habit of ‘mine’ where ‘I’ seek to lay out what is ahead, essentially planning out and scheming how things will happen. And not just concerning self-immolation but even day to day living. It seems lately this habit is being chipped away at, and not even by ‘me’ as much as by the facts of life. It dawned on me this morning that ‘I’ have woken up thousands of times and planned “how the day is going to go” and not a single time it happened as per the plan/scheme, and yet ‘I’ wake up once again and do the same thing… lol. It is becoming more and more obvious that it is simply impossible for ‘me’ to create a plan/scheme and to have life fit into it. In fact by the time ‘I’ say ‘my’ plan out loud things have already changed enough that it no longer applies, so it is now progressively being seen as completely useless to do this at all, what for? (…) VINEETO: Hi Kuba, This is what you understood at that time when you considered allowing going out-from-control in July last year –
However, despite knowing that ‘you’ will never know with certainty what the destination is like, because ‘you’ will have to become extinct in order to reach the ultimate destination, ‘you’ still play the game of finding out the impossible, even when you “dispensed with” “all of ‘my’ planning and scheming”. At some point your unequivocal agreement to ‘your’ demise is imperative to reach your destiny. KUBA: So what I am contemplating is whether all of ‘my’ planning and scheming can be safely dispensed with. (…) VINEETO: In the meantime, to “safely dispense with” “all of ‘my’ planning and scheming” means allowing the ‘doer’, the ‘controller’, the ‘planer’, the ‘schemer’ to be fully recognized and disappear for good in order for the ‘beer’ (with pure intent) to fully come to the fore. This is exactly what the word naiveté refers to. KUBA: Of course if Richard
needed to go to the shop which closes at 8pm and the drive is 15min then he would understand that he needs to leave
before 7:45 and would act accordingly. But is this kind of “planning” the same activity as what ‘I’ am
doing when ‘I’ wake up and create a stencil of the day ahead which ‘I’ am then seeking to live out? VINEETO: Ha, if Richard had followed the advice of ‘your’ planner he would have arrived at the shop exactly at the time it closes. Obviously this kind of “planning” is not “the same activity as what ‘I’ am doing when ‘I’ wake up and create a stencil of the day ahead which ‘I’ am then seeking to live out”. Joking aside, upon honest contemplation you might see that ‘your’ habit of “planning and scheming” has no role to play in how Richard describes out-from-being-under-control –
KUBA: There is certainly inaction in terms of proceeding towards self immolation currently, which is linked to having tried all the doors ‘I’ could find so far. But as you say perhaps ‘I’ am looking for a door which leads to somewhere where ‘I’ continue existing in some obscure manner, perhaps it is because ‘I’ am not looking for the door which leads to ‘my’ extinction. Which is quite funny to think of it that way, maybe that door isn’t so hard to find after all,
it’s more that ‘I’ am not looking for the door marked "extinction", just the doors that allow ‘me’
to continue ‘being’ a little longer. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, That seems to be a valuable insight (“‘I’ am not looking for the door marked “extinction”.”) I wish you fun … until you tire of your present interest in opening the doors that lead nowhere. It will happen when ‘you’ are ready. KUBA: Yes all this talk around naiveté is really something, I especially liked the below which Vineeto wrote to Claudiu :
Indeed that is exactly how I experience becoming more naive, it’s a
change in attitude towards life itself, it’s a fundamental shift in how ‘I’ experience being alive, and with far
reaching consequences. I experience it as if working from the very depths of ‘my’ being and out towards the
“outer layers of the onion”, rather than the usual way which is something like tinkering with the outer
layers whilst the core of ‘me’ remains unchanged. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, Thank you for your lucid understanding – “working from the very depths of ‘my’ being and out towards the “outer layers of the onion”, rather than the usual way which is something like tinkering with the outer layers whilst the core of ‘me’ remains unchanged.”
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