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Vineeto’s Selected Correspondence Preference Basis
VINEETO: Hi Henry, HENRY: I realized that all I am really doing when I’m playing these games is finding out what works and what doesn’t, there’s no need for any emotional involvement / involvement from ‘me.’ […] By doing all that I’ve developed a wonderful library of knowledge of what works and doesn’t, which I can carry forward and share with others. And I can continue every day – trying this, trying that. There was something I was doing as an identity, ‘identifying’ with
particular outcomes – "I am a winner / I am a loser," not aware that both of those are completely
dependent on conditions – all there is to do is tweak a condition here and there and the whole thing can flip.
There is winning and there is losing but neither are permanent states – just as nothing in this universe is
permanent. It’s wonderfully dynamic, and quite fascinating to take part in. VINEETO: Now that you have discovered your, the identity’s, propensity to be a winner/loser and discovered experientially that you don’t have to do that anymore, you could apply this to your whole life and live your life on a preference basis. Viz:
VINEETO: In other words, if you put *everything* in your life on a preference basis then you can be winner big time, not only in a rather insignificant game on your mobile phone (I mean in the grand scheme of life) but in every moment of your life. It can look like this –
VINEETO: Doesn’t this course of action intrigue you? Cheers Vineeto
ANDREW: On the topic of built up frustrations, I had been, until last week end pushing myself to improve “my lot” with the goal of not being so financially dependent on a “9-5” job. The recent success of feeling mostly neutral, with pockets of good, and minimal bad, gave that goal some needed mental space. I am thinking far clearer than I was before. However, such an endeavour, however successful it may eventually be, isn’t the answer for “now”. I was investigating a lot of time and energy into it, and it became clear last night that there was a lot of hope and scheming in it. With that reduced now, I have seen ways to improve the plan I had. However, before getting back into that plan, I need to dig into my current situation and improve my mood regardless of any future changes in my living conditions. Now is when I am alive, and tomorrow will most likely come, and so will the freeway, and work! VINEETO: That is a very good outcome of contemplation. When you attempt to “to improve ‘my lot’” the way you have done so far, i.e. with pushing yourself and generally in a ‘fighting the world’ mode, the outcome is likely to be frustration, exhaustion, and building-up anger and anxiety. Can you see a way to do it by being friendly with yourself – and others – and by allowing yourself to enjoy the things you have to do, or you want to do, and by appreciating this moment of being alive? Perhaps even a bit more in a naïve way? Richard’s approach to make enjoyment easier might also appeal to you –
Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: … inexhaustibly voracious to be substantiated and confirmed over and over again by recognition from feeling beings including yourself. [Emphasis by Andrew]. ANDREW: This was also a reason that I “blew up” the other day; a pride in doing well,
and being proven to not be doing so well, when something relatively minor happened. The fear is losing. Losing what little success I have, in a moment. VINEETO: There is a very simple solution. Make a pact with yourself not to beat yourself up when emotions come to the surface (optimally before expressing them) that are presently not on your list of wanted/ appreciated emotions. Rather pat yourself on the back for every new discovery and tackling the obstacle. Also remember, to put *everything* in your life on a preference basis then you can be winner big time, I mean in the grand scheme of life and in every moment of your life. It can look like this –
Every surfacing emotion is part of the adventure to find out how you tick, to explore and discover, and the human condition naturally involves the full range of feeling, not just the socially accepted ones or the ones that you favour. Every one is a challenge, an opportunity and, when welcomed, a step to move forward. Cheers Vineeto
ADAM-H: Hey Vineeto, I managed to get back to feeling good by contemplating how, if it came down to it, I would sacrifice the things I feel that I’m protecting (namely my job) if it meant I could be perfectly and continuously naive. I also had a moment of realizing that underneath the fears about my job was the fear that I wasn’t likeable (which related to job insecurity, hence my fears about the ‘whims’ of my boss). VINEETO: Hi Adam, Chrono has just posted a report Instead of “sacrifice the things I feel that I’m protecting” you can instead put everything on a preference basis –
And instead of wondering why other people do perhaps not like you, you can find out if you like yourself and if not why not. Is there perhaps a bad feeling lurking in the dark that you want to keep hidden, hidden from yourself? Something which perhaps requires some bright light of awareness? Something you can do something about with sincere intent to be happy and harmless? Cheers Vineeto
KUBA: There was no convincing myself, those 2 words came to mind and then the seeing happened as a result of a fascinated attention – this is the most accurate way I can describe what happened. Perhaps it appears that way as I wrote about what happened after the fact and was trying to make sense of it. VINEETO: Hi Kuba, I much appreciate your clarification. I now understand better what happened. I will rephrase my cautionary note then. Self-immolation can not happen from a moment of apperception or from a PCE, or even several PCEs in a row, it is a definite job ‘I’ have to do, as an identity, when all of ‘me’ is in agreement with ‘my’ final demise. Hence my emphasis that ‘I’ need to be an all-inclusive ally in this task – the only and most important task of one’s life. Hence ‘your’ job involves channelling all your affective energy (your libido for instance) into felicitous and innocuous affective energy via naïve enjoyment and abundant appreciation. KUBA: But the main thrust of what you wrote I can see – in that I have been side-stepping those uneasy feelings around intimacy. And an imagined flight into ‘actual intimacy’ is how I can kid myself that something productive is being done, whilst those feelings remain unresolved. So it is more that I need to go “through” rather than “around”. VINEETO: I am very pleased you can see that. It’s also useful to keep in mind to
differentiate between the felicitous feelings and the ‘good’ feelings, which you called “addicted to the
high”
Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: What I wrote above is sort of encapsulates why the actualism is so perfect to successfully facilitate imitating the actual and eventually clearing the way for making ‘self’-immolation possible. Now that you understand it more comprehensively perhaps you are even more motivated to enjoy and appreciate this moment of being alive. You might also appreciate this quote, which I sent to Kuba yesterday, explaining why putting everything on a preference basis is an essential tip for feeling good –
JAMES: Good point Vineeto, I have been letting health issues interfere with enjoyment
and appreciation. Got your point about preference also. I prefer to e & a even in the face of challenging health issues. The issues
aren’t bad enough to prevent me from e & a. VINEETO: Hi James, That is good to hear. The “general rule of thumb” of making everything a preference works for everything – nothing is so serious as to allow it to prevent you from “e & a” – enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive. You may something to be different but it is only a preference and therefore not important enough to spoil you feeling good. With this self-less inclination ‘you’ have less and less reason to put up resistance to the facts of life such as indignation or disappointment or even fear to what you cannot change … and naiveté can flourish. Cheers Vineeto
ADAM-H: Where I still get off track is when I want to ‘be
somebody’, somebody important. It’s clear how I still have a competing motivation to be recognized, especially in
my career and work, and that keeps me from more wholeheartedly committing. I think that by fully acknowledging this
and sensibly evaluating ‘will this motivation deliver the goods?’ it is losing some influence. VINEETO: Ah, several people on the forum have recently talked about the same urge to “be somebody”. It is inherent to being a ‘self’. As a ‘self’ you need constant confirmation from others that ‘you’ exist.
The solution is rather simple – one can diminish the dominance of the ‘self’ by choosing to transfer the affective energy of the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings towards the felicitous and innocuous feelings – and you have already decided to do that –
In other words, rather than following the ‘self’-enhancing urge to “be somebody”, whenever it appears, you give yourself permission to put everything on a preference basis –
Please note – the aim it not to become self-less as in unselfish, but less “self-centred”, more naïve. If you put everything on a preference basis you soon find out that this self-diminishing inclination makes being continuously happy and harmless much easier and increasingly fun, evincing marvel and wonder. Chrono said in a recent post to the forum – perhaps you can relate to it –
It’s a grand adventure. Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: Hi Josef, JOSEF: I’ve put things on a “does not matter” basis recently. This has been quite difficult for me to do, and I have realized I am quite a domineering personality, wanting to always have my preferences met. Going along with others’ preferences recently has triggered this fear in me of being taken advantage of or being a doormat for other people’s whims. But yesterday when I tried this, honestly everything turned out fine and I had a great time. I felt light and happy and harmless. It seems my pushing of my preferences is driven by this fear. Most of the things that happen do not really matter… VINEETO: It’s great that you tried it out experientially, because events always turn
out differently with sincere intent operating than theoretically or philosophically anticipated. This tool of putting
everything on a “does not matter” basis also applies to weather, or situations beyond your control and
whatever else happens in your daily life. “Pushing of my preferences” may partly be driven by its
opposite, “this fear”, and it is also part and parcel of an identity’s inherent self-centricity,
i.e. seeing everybody and every event and every thing merely from ‘my’ point of view/ my benefit or loss. When
you become increasingly aware of this automatically operating self-centricity /ego-centricity JOSEF: And for the things that do, I take a stand only if what’s
happening is falling outside the realm of being sensible. This kind of action comes from a very different and more
grounded place. VINEETO: You may find this recent post interesting in this context –
The key ingredient, apart from aiming to be felicitous/ innocuous it to sensibly, i.e. when necessary, emotionally accept what is intellectually unacceptable so as to not compromise one’s intelligence.
Cheers Vineeto
JOSEF: I had a PCE last night while on a high dose of cannabis that made me realize that actualism is much more radical than I first thought. When my “self” went into abeyance, I could feel infinite time and infinite space as I stood there in my house. Time also had no meaning. I could “access” the memories of my “self”, as weird as that sounds. But it was like thinking about a different person’s life. It made me think that if “I” die (self-immolate), this body won’t pursue any of the goals that “I” hold dear. It seems all “my” values are based on what “I” hold dear. Fretting over money or my relationship with my wife or whatever else had zero meaning. In Geoffrey’s video, when he says he’s poor and doesn’t give a shit, and then talks about security for the body as being food, water, shelter, I realized that a person who would be happy sitting in a garden for 20 years and dying would not be malicious or sorrowful for ANY reason. Even if they became quadriplegic (one of my worst nightmares), they would still be happy and harmless. This means that NOTHING at all matters. I think that is why the method says to put everything on a does not matter basis or get back to feeling good no matter what. If that’s true I’ve not been applying the method at all. I have just been sticking a toe into the water while keeping my whole value system intact. It occurred to me, is the method kind of suicidal? But isn’t that not the whole point? Self-immolation is psychological suicide?
VINEETO: Hi Josef, What a great PCE with so much more information for you and insights about what an actual freedom is. It is an excellent plan to put everything “on a does not matter basis or get back to feeling good no matter what” because nothing matters in the long run. This is a pivotal decision regarding imitating the actual which you have just experienced.
JOSEF: This leads me to a more worrying thought. Will I just go along with whatever the people around me want, as long as it doesn’t cause a threat to this physical body? What if my partner really wants something that I don’t? Does it not matter and I will just change my self-centered urge to a preference for everything? VINEETO: This appears to be the moment the PCE ended else you would not have had a “more worrying thought”. JOSEF: I guess this is where silly/ sensible comes into the
equation. But during the PCE I felt like silly/ sensible only applied to the preservation of the physical body.
Honestly I was not ready for the experience at all and I could not go further, it felt like I would blow all my fuses
or that I was not ready to make this a permanent condition. Felt like I skipped ahead and should have a PCE
organically, without the use of drugs. At that point the PCE was over and the fear began. VINEETO: Yes, this “is where silly/ sensible comes into the equation”
and it does not only apply to purely physical survival, as you can understand when you are back to feeling good Here is something that might help regarding the assessment of preference –
The above correspondence from the beginning explains it in more detail. It is understandable when you say “I was not ready for the experience at all” – it may take some gestation period to percolate in the background for you to digest it all. But you have tasted the perfection and purity and experienced what is possible. JOSEF: I always thought I would apply the actualism method and
become more and more happy and harmless in my relationship. This was kind of the end goal. But in yesterday’s PCE
it became clear to me that I could only act in my partner and I’s best interest if there is no relationship at all.
The relationship is just another part of “me” with all of its problems. During the experience I was
considering “my” parents, partner, brother, friends etc. But it just felt like “his”
(“my”) life with his emotional hang ups. “My” home (with all “my” ideas about home)
became just the place I’m living in right now.
VINEETO: Ha, I can understand this very well. Living in peace and harmony with Peter was also ‘Vineeto’s’ entry point. Here is what ‘she’ reported –
Don’t you find it amazing (worth appreciating) that you start with one worthwhile goal – to live with your partner in peace and harmony – and the more you explore to make it work, the more you discover what this all involves? Now that you know with certainty, from the PCE, that ‘I’/ ‘me’ am the problem, you slowly dismantle whenever ‘I’ and ‘my’ demands, desires, objections, beliefs, etc. get in the way of being happy and harmless and enjoying/ appreciating being here. It’s not complex because it is only ‘me’, in ‘my’ variations, which is the problem. With your preference for a “self-less inclination” you have a clear compass where you want to go. Two hints to make it easier – always get back to feeling good before investigating an obstacle, and remember to be a friend to yourself. Cheers Vineeto
ANDREW: Thanks Vineeto! Very new to me. I like this quote from Claudiu. It’s been the ongoing investigation into music. That I am not special. I may have perhaps a talent, but that is far from unique. There is an old saying, there is nothing more common than the talented but unsuccessful. Which is the key for me to continue looking into this. It has been a hugely dominant force in my life, and in my father’s life. Understanding it, gently teases something out of me. How I hold on to this “special” talent. When, is it really there? Perhaps I do have an ear for music, and so? How is that anything different from someone born with the genetics to grow to 7 feet tall? It’s not anything that ‘I’ had anything to do with at all! I have been thinking a lot about music. How so much of it, if not the vast majority of it, is derived and contrived. Not in a negative sense, in the literal sense. It’s not unique, factually. For the most part. (…) VINEETO: Hi Andrew, This is fascinating, how an insight that “I am not special” has so many ramifications to ease the pressure of what you say has been an “obsession”, and now you are more at ease, more happy and naïvely curious as to what is going to happen next. That is something to truly appreciate. ANDREW: I never questioned anything like this. It was all about being an ‘artist’, whatever that was! Which I never actually was in anyway, but the fantasy was always there. As if I just had to take it seriously for a moment, and “poof!” Instant acclaim! hehe. It’s fun to give myself the space to smile at it all. Without animosity. It’s all
preference really! Some people are very found of a particular kind of music, for a certain time, and then another
kind! Just as my tastes have changed. VINEETO: Yes, this is what having preferences instead of passionate urges does – you can have smile, fun, you can explore your talent (or no talent), your tastes and you can play music instead of working on it. It doesn’t really matter. Music is for fun, pleasant to the ears and well worth enjoying and appreciating for the very amusement and delight. * VINEETO: Indeed, and the less you try to be someone but
simply enjoy being here as happily and harmlessly as possible, the more it is happening of its own accord. ANDREW: I didn’t read this properly. That is indeed it! The
less I try an ‘be’ anything, the more interesting things are. It’s not the fun in “questioning” per
se, it’s the fun in not having to “be” something at the end of the thought. As in, I can create music
without a snare on the backbeat if I like, and music of any sort at all, without defining myself. Simply, is it fun?
Playful? VINEETO: Ah, I am pleased you understood. Just as having preferences instead of passionate urges is a ‘self-less (or ‘self’-diminishing) inclination, so are the felicitous and innocuous feelings in contrast to the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings. Have playful fun finding out even more of the benefits of this naïve approach. Cheers Vineeto
ANDREW: Thanks Vineeto. The last two nights I was tail-gated aggressively by other drivers. Deliberately, I didn’t move out of the way, as that would inconvenience me. Long story short, today, on the second occasion, I had the thought; “for everything I have learnt about the human condition, personality disorders, mental illnesses etc, why am I so surprised and angry that I would encounter this behaviour in life?” (…) I pondered this in my last part of my journey. Whilst still being tailgated through my neighbourhood and feeling the rage which, if pushed may well have resulted in violence, I thought, “would I die to set that body free from the ‘entity’ which is clearly causing that behaviour?” (to be clear, at no point was I breaking the law, driving slowly or otherwise “asking for this”. Technically I was over the speed limit, but under what is classed as an offence). I remembered my two closest friends. Very large muscular guys, far bigger than average. Both capable of dominating most people if needed, but both are deeply thoughtful men. I thought of these same sized men (it’s usually men being aggressive on the freeway), men who obviously “back themselves” in a confrontation were it to come to that, and I saw what it would mean for every “body” to be free. No one would ever be afraid, and no one ever using physical size and capacity against anyone. Would I ‘self sacrifice’ to potentially set these aggressive male drivers free? Yes, I would. I can see that it was always such an obvious thing to do. VINEETO: Hi Andrew, A less radical way of proceeding – until you are ready to fully agree to self-immolation to happen – I can recommend to emotionally accept what is intellectually unacceptable in conjunction with putting everything on a preference basis –
Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO:
Please note – the aim it not to become self-less as in unselfish, but less “self-centred”, more naïve. If you put everything on a preference basis you soon find out that this self-diminishing inclination makes being continuously happy and harmless much easier and increasingly fun, evincing marvel and wonder. ADAM-H: I’ve been pondering the ‘put everything on a preference basis’ for the last few days. At various times in the past I tried to approach things through this lens and did not always have success. Like a lot of things with actualism it seems like the method and the goal are the same thing here. VINEETO: Hi Adam, As putting everything on a ‘it doesn’t really matter’ basis goes against the instinctual drive of ‘self’-survival, it is to be expected that you “did not always have success”. Don’t let this discourage you, if you really want to become happy and harmless. ADAM-H: ‘I’ have some resentment that the method and the goal are the same thing, because it doesn’t give me something ‘I’ can do to maintain but reshape my influence. Techniques that allow ‘me’ to assert something unique and special about ‘me’ are much preferred haha. VINEETO: Ah, have you considered how feeling happy and harmless, even when 23hrs a day, compares to being spontaneously felicitous and innocuous every moment of your life? This is not merely a difference in degree but a qualitative difference in kind, so much so that it is inconceivable/ incomprehensible and unimaginable/ unbelievable to any identity whatsoever. It is entirely outside of ‘my’ territory. Is the resentment that you will need to accustom yourself to the permanent living of actuality or else it would blow your fuses?
Or is the resentment perhaps that you, the interloper, intend to rule the roost for the rest of your physical life with all the misery and mayhem that this entails? ADAM-H: However, when ‘I’ keep in mind what it is like for
me and others when everything is on a preference basis, even ‘I’ can get on board with it after some coaxing. It’s
evident though, that it puts me on a direct course for self-immolation. VINEETO: Ha, a reluctant agreement “after some coaxing” … and then the instant ‘self-immolation-card’ presented as the ‘worst case’ fear-scenario. Remember, “illegitimi non carborandum” Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO: “That is great – and that is also one aspect of what you later mentioned as “cut to the chase”. Now you know how to share without having to ‘cringe’ afterwards. Find out what happens when you acknowledge, that loneliness is merely a feeling and there is no obligation to fulfill this feeling’s demands.” ANDREW: This last sentence of yours has been a theme for me for a while “no obligation to fulfill this feeling’s demands”. VINEETO: Hi Andrew, It is indeed a good theme to keep at the front of your mind and helps to shift from urges to preferences upon sensible contemplation on dominant feelings. ANDREW: I am seeing now that because I have ignored many subtle feelings, and generally been focused on the demands of the “big ones” (fear, sadness, anger), the details of the genuine feeling happening, which can make a difference, have been glossed over. For example, I saw today in addition to loneliness, I was blocking out any desire for physical touch. It’s now over two years of celibacy, and I had thought that with the reduction of libido, and whatever other factors, desire and affection were not going to feature much more. But! I was ignoring all the dreams of women I have when asleep. Or not so much ignoring them, but not considering their importance. I have had plenty of girlfriends in my sleep! Haha This also had a parallel today when walking. I should be enjoying myself based on the circumstances. There were moments, and there was a moment or two of naïveté, well, the curiosity that is a childhood “friend” to naïveté. VINEETO: Ah, once you get into the habit of not instantly fulfilling the dominant feeling’s demands you become aware of the more subtle feelings which “have been glossed over”. Can you see that this increased sensitivity and its accompanying information about how you ‘tick’ helps you to shift to more enjoyment and appreciation? ANDREW: The should was obvious. I was trying to force myself to “enjoy”. I started to notice that I “lump” emotional “feeling good” in with conditional enjoyment. As in, a nice soft lounge is preferred to a grass lawn, and a grass lawn preferred to a patch of dirt. As I looked around, I wanted a soft couch! I started to see that separating out my preferences from my emotions is an aspect of what ‘feeling good’ is all about. The “come what may”. It’s not that the river isn’t pleasant, but I emotionally tire of it as I prefer to be at home in my comfy chair! Noticing when a preference is being ignored, or otherwise the feeling being ignored one two things for me to work on; one being as sincere as possible about my feelings in as much subtle detail as I can, and two letting preferences be separate to the goal of feeling good. However, I lost the theme I was wanting to talk about concerning “…merely a feeling and there is no obligation to fulfill this feelings demands”. VINEETO: Excellent, the more attention you pay to how you affectively experience this moment the more you have the choice to nudge it towards feeling good. ANDREW: Additionally, as a placeholder for this thought: ignoring the first impulse in any behavior/ decision, and going for a second thought, or as best to a sensible one as possible. The idea being, the first impulse is going to be the unintelligent feeling more than the second or third which will be more conditioned feelings, and progressively have less distance between sensible thoughts and behaviors. The idea being, feelings arrive faster than a “thought through decision”, so as a
blanket rule, ignoring the first impulse is going to catch the majority of blind reactiveness. VINEETO: This is an excellent discovery and worth sticking on your fridge, so to speak. I like it. Feelings are indeed both faster and more dominant compared to rational, sensible thoughts in the information chain of the brain (link). Cheers Vineeto
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